1 in 100 now for Autism

[bbrandonsmom]

Not sure if this should go here-but they are talking about the Hep B as a factor.
http://www.ageofautism.com/2009/10/k...-why.html#more

[tessie]

They estimate that 1 in 100 in the UK have autism (or an ASD) but Hep B isn't on the vax schedule here.

[bbrandonsmom]

What are they saying is part of the cause there? Would be interesting to compare reports. It's sad either way. What will it be next year or two-1 in 75, 1 in 50?

[tessie]

Originally Posted by bbrandonsmom

What are they saying is part of the cause there? Would be interesting to compare reports. It's sad either way. What will it be next year or two-1 in 75, 1 in 50?

I've read that a lot of it is supposed to be change in diagnostic criteria. There isn't any conclusive evidence that I'm aware of as to the cause of autism (other than it is probably in part genetic.

[teale]

Originally Posted by tessie

I've read that a lot of it is supposed to be change in diagnostic criteria. There isn't any conclusive evidence that I'm aware of as to the cause of autism (other than it is probably in part genetic.

That seems to be the only thing they can say because in reality, they have NO idea what is going on with autism- you can say that it's better diagnostic tools, or whatever, but the reality is until they find out what causes autism, and how it starts, etc etc, they can't really know for certain if they are just getting better at diagnosing it or if it really an increase in the general population from other factors.

My personal opinion,is that it's not the diagnosing that's causing the inflation of children being diagnosed with autism.

[ema-adama]

CONCLUSIONS: Autism incidence in California shows no sign yet of plateauing. Younger ages at diagnosis, differential migration, changes in diagnostic criteria, and inclusion of milder cases do not fully explain the observed increases. Other artifacts have yet to be quantified, and as a result, the extent to which the continued rise represents a true increase in the occurrence of autism remains unclear.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19234401

This is a study from California from July 2009. You can find the full article here. All the usual reasons put forward for explaining the rise in Autism are factored in, and do not fully explain the increases. Something else seems to be going on.

That is shocking that 1% of children in the UK and the US are on the spectrum.

[amnesiac]

Please keep in mind that discussion in this forum should remain focused on vaccine-related issues if the thread is to remain open for duscussion here.

[Elizabeth2008]

Originally Posted by tessie

I've read that a lot of it is supposed to be change in diagnostic criteria. There isn't any conclusive evidence that I'm aware of as to the cause of autism (other than it is probably in part genetic.

what you've "read" is put out by the established medical/pharm industry. It doesn't pass the red face test to say autism is the same as when we were kids we're just diagnosing it better. Look around!! Look at these kids - I didn't know a single child with a condition like this 40 years ago. It's ubiquitous now. Our environment is saturated with neurotoxins (vaccines, among many other things), and this is a neurological disease. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out there is some connection.

[Elizabeth2008]

Originally Posted by tessie

I've read that a lot of it is supposed to be change in diagnostic criteria. There isn't any conclusive evidence that I'm aware of as to the cause of autism (other than it is probably in part genetic.

also, if this were true, they would be diagnosing a lot of autistic adults too, right? All those kids they missed way back in the day... yeah, not happening.

[japonica]

Originally Posted by tessie

I've read that a lot of it is supposed to be change in diagnostic criteria. There isn't any conclusive evidence that I'm aware of as to the cause of autism (other than it is probably in part genetic.

I always wonder about this diagnosing it better assertion. So, does that mean that back in the 60s and 70s, when many of us "older" moms were in school, there were the same amount of autistic kids in our classes as today? How did all the teachers and school staff not see them? Just wondering. My sister-in-law works daily as a teacher's aide to autistic children at a local elementary school and from what she tells me of her day, I imagine it would be hard for them to blend into the background and not be noticed by the teacher.

Whether or not it's the hep B vaccine, even the "experts" who deny it is vaccines but state it's something "environmental," well, I don't believe that adding more vaccines or earlier ones is going to help the matter any. If there is a perceived environmental trigger then aren't vaccines part of the environment? There was talk in Australia of moving the pertussis vaccine from 8 weeks to 6 weeks for the first shot. Like many others have pointed out, when vaccines are given from birth or in the first few weeks afterwards, it gets harder to implicate vaccines as a factor in an autism spectrum diagnosis and more likely for officials to simply say it happens to be purely genetic.

[Jennifer Z]

They are finding that the rate of autism is, in fact, the same in adults as it is in children. That includes people who are old enough to have not received the vaccines that our children do today. http://www.time.com/time/health/arti...927415,00.html

Autism rates do not have anything to do with vaccines. The guy who "proved" there was a link falsified his study and was disproved a while ago already. Many of the adults with autism were diagnosed as MR because that is what was in the DSM then.

Every day there is more and more evidence that it is genetic, not environmental for the vast majority of the cases of autism.

[Jennifer Z]

Originally Posted by japonica

I always wonder about this diagnosing it better assertion. So, does that mean that back in the 60s and 70s, when many of us "older" moms were in school, there were the same amount of autistic kids in our classes as today? How did all the teachers and school staff not see them? Just wondering. My sister-in-law works daily as a teacher's aide to autistic children at a local elementary school and from what she tells me of her day, I imagine it would be hard for them to blend into the background and not be noticed by the teacher.

Whether or not it's the hep B vaccine, even the "experts" who deny it is vaccines but state it's something "environmental," well, I don't believe that adding more vaccines or earlier ones is going to help the matter any. If there is a perceived environmental trigger then aren't vaccines part of the environment? There was talk in Australia of moving the pertussis vaccine from 8 weeks to 6 weeks for the first shot. Like many others have pointed out, when vaccines are given from birth or in the first few weeks afterwards, it gets harder to implicate vaccines as a factor in an autism spectrum diagnosis and more likely for officials to simply say it happens to be purely genetic.

The reason we didn't "see" people with autism then is because the IDEA legislation was not enacted until the 70s, and not enforced until the 90s. People with autism were put in separate classrooms, not in school, or institutionalized. The existed, they were just severely discriminated against.

There are people in this very community who have unvaccinated children with autism. I have a partially vaccinated child (no MMR, no Hep B) who has autism. It is genetic. There is a clear genetic link when you look at my family.

[japonica]

Originally Posted by Jennifer Z

The reason we didn't "see" people with autism then is because the was not enacted until the 70s, and not enforced until the 90s. People with autism were put in separate classrooms, not in school, or institutionalized. The existed, they were just severely discriminated against.

There are people in this very community who have unvaccinated children with autism. I have a partially vaccinated child (no MMR, no Hep B) who has autism. It is genetic. There is a clear genetic link when you look at my family.

I'm not familiar with IDEA legislation as I grew up in Canada. I do recall kids with moderate learning disabilities in my school as well as a few with cerebral palsy. They were in our school building and in what was back then termed a "special ed" classroom. But I do not recall there being vast amounts of autistic students. And of all my classmates and friends throughout the years of school, I did not meet any with autistic siblings. So, maybe it was undiagnosed. Maybe they were institutionalized. I'm just saying from my experience, in my community, during that particular time, I don't recall seeing as many kids with autism that would reflect the 1 in 100 stat.

Yes, there are children who are unvaccinated and who have autism. There are others who believe that the vaccines had some part to play. I don't deny either their right to their own understanding of what happened. Seeing as many scientists can't even definitively pinpoint a cause, I don't proclaim to have the answer.

[kamane18]

Originally Posted by Jennifer Z

They are finding that the rate of autism is, in fact, the same in adults as it is in children. That includes people who are old enough to have not received the vaccines that our children do today. http://www.time.com/time/health/arti...927415,00.html

Autism rates do not have anything to do with vaccines. The guy who "proved" there was a link falsified his study and was disproved a while ago already. Many of the adults with autism were diagnosed as MR because that is what was in the DSM then.

Every day there is more and more evidence that it is genetic, not environmental for the vast majority of the cases of autism.

I agree with this to a point BUT I also think that:

1. Vit D deficiency is rampant and might have a hand in autism.

2. To a degree, I think vaccines also have a factor. Not on their own per se, but because I think too many vaccines at once, combo vaccines, etc overload the system and "could" bring out a pre-existing/hidden and/or genetic condition. Just a theory...

[kamane18]

Originally Posted by Jennifer Z

The reason we didn't "see" people with autism then is because the IDEA legislation was not enacted until the 70s, and not enforced until the 90s. People with autism were put in separate classrooms, not in school, or institutionalized. The existed, they were just severely discriminated against.

There are people in this very community who have unvaccinated children with autism. I have a partially vaccinated child (no MMR, no Hep B) who has autism. It is genetic. There is a clear genetic link when you look at my family.

Again, I only agree with this to a point. I think autism is mostly genetic. But factors like vaccines, Vit D defiency, etc can also bring out some cases and/or cause some cases even. A good friend of our family has an autistic kid - no autism in their family otherwise and the signs of autism in the child didn't start until after he got MMRV plus HepA and a TB test all at once. The family really thinks it was too many shots at once and his body couldn't handle it and it resulted in his (mild) autistic symptoms.

And yes, in the past, children with severe autism were often hidden away (like Rainman I guess). But I also think that many kids back then might have had more mild symptoms/Asperger's, etc - but back then we might have just thought there were the oddballs, etc - kind of like Bill Gates?

[Cristiaz]

What saddens me about these numbers is that this is my childs generation! My stance on vaccines/unmedicated birth comes from my concern for the children that will one day run this country.

My nephew has autism and it is not genetic where our family is concerned. I think they play up the genetic role to veer parents away from vaccines. Pitocin is also linked to autism. It cuts of oxygen to the baby during birth and the brain needs oxygen! My nephew's birth was medicated and he was taken out with forceps. They broke her waters and cut his head too. He and my neice were both fully vaxed and both rushed to the ER around 8 months old due to convulsions after being vaxed. I think all vaccines are to blame, not just Hep B, or MMR. All of them. Alluminum also causes brain damage, just as much as mercury.

P.S. My NMD told me some children with autistic characteristics are just allergic to gluten and dairy and you omit these and they are fine.

[tessie]

Originally Posted by Jennifer Z

The reason we didn't "see" people with autism then is because the IDEA legislation was not enacted until the 70s, and not enforced until the 90s. People with autism were put in separate classrooms, not in school, or institutionalized. The existed, they were just severely discriminated against.

I believe there is a lot of truth in this. My primary school was next door to a special school and the kids did not mix. Ever. It didn't matter what a child's diagnosis was, if they had one they weren't allowed to go to my school. (The sole exception was a child with a spinal condition who had to wear a back brace for a few years and that was diagnosed after he joined the school. And this was the early eighties.

Originally Posted by Cristiaz

My nephew has autism and it is not genetic where our family is concerned. I think they play up the genetic role to veer parents away from vaccines. Pitocin is also linked to autism. It cuts of oxygen to the baby during birth and the brain needs oxygen! My nephew's birth was medicated and he was taken out with forceps.

It could be genetic. It could be a recessive gene. But that's probably not something we'll know for a few years.

I'm interested in the Pit thing. I've never heard of Pit casuing Autism.

[Rosebud1]

I am not a statistician, but jumping from 1 in 10,000 to 1 in 100 I do not believe can be attributed to better diagnostic evaluations alone.

Other posters have made good points about how children with special needs were squirreled away or ignored in the past. My dad talks about "the fresh air room" -- literally the roof of the school -- where kids with mental handicaps were sent to play all day at his Catholic school in the '50s. They did not receive any direct instruction from teachers. Laws requiring that children with special needs be accomodated and served changed the landscape of education for sure.

That said, I am a teacher and from what I see, this is an epidemic. Genetics alone cannot explain such a jump in the numbers. I think multiple factors are leading to this huge increase. Genetics and diagnostics are factors, but I believe more is going on.

[Cristiaz]

Tessie, there's a small amount of info on the pit causation on the web but the articles I read were in Chiropractic journals for chiro's and my midwife talked an awful lot about it to me. When you know what pit is and what it does and the fact its a constanst IV drip, logic fills in the rest

I'm just not buying the genetic thing. Genetics doesn't explain the MAJOR increase in autism, and auto immune disorders as well for that matter. In the 1940's autism was very rare...hardly any info on it. It just doesn't seem logical.

[Pandme]

Wow, so pit causes it, ultrasounds cause it, too much TV causes it.

I'm surpried the number isn't more like 99 out of 100.