October Allergy Observations (Chat thread) - Page 5

[kjbrown92]

Originally Posted by BonnieNova

I sent DH out with DS to get some "dry white wine" as the recipe calls for. Tonight - chicken livers with bacon and onions! And for dessert - brownies - YES you heard me right.. brownies! I found a mix from namaste foods at wf this weekend. Dairy, gluten, wheat, soy, potato, nuts, casein and CORN free! First ingredient is evaporated cane juice, so I shouldnt.. but I WILL!

The Namaste website says it has xanthan gum in it. I've only seen corn-based xanthan gum. What's their source if not corn?

[Thing1Thing2]

Originally Posted by whoMe

I'm eating farm fresh egg yolks for my EFAs. Fish and I don't have a great relationship, fish oil and I have an even worse one. I normally like shellfish, but not now that I'm pg. I'm thinking that since it's so universal, my body just doesn't like fish, so I'm not going to push it anymore. The clincher is that when I was off of eggs, I craved the farmer's market salmon. And ever since we've had eggs back, I've gone back to not liking it. My best guess is that my body hates PUFAs? It would fit with my oxidative stress/low BH4 theories AND dd's possible high lipid peroxidase lab test and explain why my nut/seed tolerance is so low.

I hated fish (and fish oils) when I was pg with ds, so I totally understand.

Im going to completely ignore the last two sentences of your post b/c what you said was WAYYYY over my head (for now at least).

Congrats on the pregnancy. You're due in a month right? So exciting! DH and I are trying for another... but I havent had ppaf back yet... so it doesn't look hopeful until this lo decides to night wean.

Oh and about tonights dinner - complete bust. I have fried chicken livers, fried bacon, fried onions and NO corkscrew to open the wine with... DH is out at his group meeting and there's no way i'm going to attempt to eat these livers without wine! I guess its brownies for dinner hehehe!

[chlobo]

Originally Posted by Mammo2Sammo

Where did you buy the sorghum?

I bought it online somewhere. 5lb bag. I'd be happy to give you some if you want it. You can get it when you pick up Frontier.

[Thing1Thing2]

Originally Posted by kjbrown92

The Namaste website says it has xanthan gum in it. I've only seen corn-based xanthan gum. What's their source if not corn?

I saw the xanthan gum on the ingredients list too, but since the package said "made in a dedicated facility free of corn", I *chose* to believe the xanthan was made from something else. I did search online and found that most xg is typically derived from corn, but it is possible to make it from other veggies. Of course, I cant find the link now and DS just pulled down an onion from the table and hit himself in the head

DS reacts to trace corn in my breastmilk, and since when I'm stressed I eat without thinking - I've already had a few brownies (2 and a half to be exact). Soooo... I guess I will find out. I will be kicking myself if he reacts tonight. We need sleep! By the way, I usually eat very well for DS - it's just that I'm stressed - did I mention that yet?

This is the mag powder I use - it has citric acid in it, so if you're sensitive to trace corn, that *might* be a problem (I don't know if corn is the source for their citric acid or not, we're not that sensitive to corn). It doesn't taste as good as they think, LOL, but it hides fairly easily. I also use the liquid mag from brainchild, which does OK in his coconut yogurt (but didn't at first, we're making progress with it now).

Thanks for the recommendations... the citric acid will most likely be a problem for DS.. but I will call the company and find out if its corn based. I also might try the brainchild liquid mag... So hard to find supplements for this little guy ..

Hmmm - DS has discombobulated moments when he's coming off zeolite rounds, and that is when he has other low mag symptoms, so it's possible that's related.

In 24 hours DS has:
-fallen on his back in the tub
-fallen on a pot in the kitchen leaving a small gash on his forehead
-fallen off the couch
-hit himself in the eye with a play hammer
-slipped on a towel (my fault for leaving it there)
-tripped on the back steps
-hit himself in the head with an onion...
Oh and I forgot - he dropped a big container of sea salt on his toe (DH gave it to him)

[tanyalynn]

BonnieNova, keeping in mind that we're _not_ corn-sensitive, I thought Namaste's xanthan gum was derived from something else, I don't remember what, not something that's commonly a problem. Beets? Can't remember, best of luck tonight! Sorry things are so out of whack now.

If you need a mag for you, Perque's mag should be corn-free, and I'm not sure about Kathy's GIPro Health but that was a really nice form of magnesium too.

[chlobo]

Originally Posted by BonnieNova

I saw the xanthan gum on the ingredients list too, but since the package said "made in a dedicated facility free of corn", I *chose* to believe the xanthan was made from something else. I did search online and found that most xg is typically derived from corn, but it is possible to make it from other veggies. Of course, I cant find the link now and DS just pulled down an onion from the table and hit himself in the head

DS reacts to trace corn in my breastmilk, and since when I'm stressed I eat without thinking - I've already had a few brownies (2 and a half to be exact). Soooo... I guess I will find out. I will be kicking myself if he reacts tonight. We need sleep! By the way, I usually eat very well for DS - it's just that I'm stressed - did I mention that yet?

This is the mag powder I use - it has citric acid in it, so if you're sensitive to trace corn, that *might* be a problem (I don't know if corn is the source for their citric acid or not, we're not that sensitive to corn). It doesn't taste as good as they think, LOL, but it hides fairly easily. I also use the liquid mag from brainchild, which does OK in his coconut yogurt (but didn't at first, we're making progress with it now).

Thanks for the recommendations... the citric acid will most likely be a problem for DS.. but I will call the company and find out if its corn based. I also might try the brainchild liquid mag... So hard to find supplements for this little guy ..

Hmmm - DS has discombobulated moments when he's coming off zeolite rounds, and that is when he has other low mag symptoms, so it's possible that's related.

In 24 hours DS has:
-fallen on his back in the tub
-fallen on a pot in the kitchen leaving a small gash on his forehead
-fallen off the couch
-hit himself in the eye with a play hammer
-slipped on a towel (my fault for leaving it there)
-tripped on the back steps
-hit himself in the head with an onion...
Oh and I forgot - he dropped a big container of sea salt on his toe (DH gave it to him)

So you attribute that to low mag.? My daughter has always been a klutz. She'll fall off her chair at dinner. She constantly bites her lip/tongue/whatever. And my son seems to fall a lot too.

I'm definitely buying the spray/gel. Off to Amazon....

[lil_miss_understood]

we're klutzes as well.

i noticed the price for pine nuts went up at our costco too, kathy. it's still cheaper than my in town store price of 19.99/lb tho.

[Theloose]

Originally Posted by mamafish9

Shannon, with the fCLO, I got big empty capsules (that hold 1ml each) and put the CLO in that and take it - I couldn't handle the taste and burning any more. And unbelievably, DD can swallow those huge capsules too, so I get 1ml in her each day too (and there is no way *ever* she would take fCLO).

But hey, I like the egg idea better .

everyone keeps trying to get me to do CLO I've given it every chance I can think of, and I'm sorry. It's not going to happen. I'm not going to hide it. I'm going to find other nutrient sources!

Originally Posted by kjbrown92

The Namaste website says it has xanthan gum in it. I've only seen corn-based xanthan gum. What's their source if not corn?

I *think* it's tapioca derived?

Originally Posted by BonnieNova

I hated fish (and fish oils) when I was pg with ds, so I totally understand.

Im going to completely ignore the last two sentences of your post b/c what you said was WAYYYY over my head (for now at least).

Congrats on the pregnancy. You're due in a month right? So exciting! DH and I are trying for another... but I havent had ppaf back yet... so it doesn't look hopeful until this lo decides to night wean.

Oh and about tonights dinner - complete bust. I have fried chicken livers, fried bacon, fried onions and NO corkscrew to open the wine with... DH is out at his group meeting and there's no way i'm going to attempt to eat these livers without wine! I guess its brownies for dinner hehehe!

I'm due in March, you must be thinking of someone else... How old is your ds? I didn't get ppaf until dd was 28mo, and the only thing I can think of that triggered it was maybe nutrition? Or just good old time? Definitely no nightweaning or change in nursing frequency...

Hang around here long enough, and you'll at least *know* what I'm talking about there, even if it doesn't make any sense BTW, you inspired me. I just went out and bought chicken liver, but I'm turning it into pate after dd goes to bed.

Oh, and just how fast can vitamin A work? Anyone? My biggest symptom was really dry lips that were cracking in the middle. I've been trying to rehydrate for the past week, and it seems to help a tiny bit, but the crack was still getting worse. This morning it bled and there was a scab. Within hours after the CLO incident (and downing a fair bit of water to try and get rid of the burn), the crack was essentially HEALED, and my lips were back to normal. Now they're getting dry again. We'll see what the pate does tomorrow...

eta: dd's super careful always, but doesn't seem particularly klutzy on low mag. She does have her klutzy periods though.

[FireWithin]

Originally Posted by BonnieNova

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Thanks for the recommendations... the citric acid will most likely be a problem for DS.. but I will call the company and find out if its corn based. I also might try the brainchild liquid mag... So hard to find supplements for this little guy ..

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I believe brainchild has xanthan gum in it, which is why I avoid it. Please tell me if I am wrong though, because I would like to have them as an option.
We react to xanthan gum, but not to the Namaste version.

[momofmine]

Originally Posted by JacquelineR

ETA: I'm just grateful that we've taught DS1 to refuse food so well that he remembers even while under the influence of morphine.

Wow, yes, you've taught him well. I bet that made you feel good actually, that he was not susceptible to adults in authority telling him something was "okay".

Originally Posted by chlobo

JR, I wouldn't drop it. That is totally asinine.

I wouldn't drop it either. I would definitely be writing a letter.

[Thing1Thing2]

Originally Posted by chlobo

So you attribute that to low mag.? My daughter has always been a klutz. She'll fall off her chair at dinner. She constantly bites her lip/tongue/whatever. And my son seems to fall a lot too.

I'm definitely buying the spray/gel. Off to Amazon....

It seems like a symptom that he has only when mag is low. It might also be teething, but someone mentioned that teething depletes mag as well. So it might be related to both. I did give him a nice epsom salt bath last night and the symptoms (klutziness, clinginess) seemingly disappeared. I had a very nice night with ds and dh (even though ds didn't go to sleep until 11:30).

Let me know how it goes with the spray/gel.

Seems like today he is doing a little better. And - silly me - I don't know for sure if he had a reaction to the brownies in my breastmilk since he's been having reflux problems at night anyway for the last few nights (teething I think)! He slept better last night, but I think it's because I let him sleep on his back across my stomach and then when he adjusted his position, he slept across my arm. Wierd, I know, but we learned a few months ago that he sleeps better when his back is arched because of the reflux.

I called Namaste foods today and left a message about the xanthan gum.

"I'm due in March, you must be thinking of someone else... How old is your ds? I didn't get ppaf until dd was 28mo, and the only thing I can think of that triggered it was maybe nutrition? Or just good old time? Definitely no nightweaning or change in nursing frequency...

Hang around here long enough, and you'll at least *know* what I'm talking about there, even if it doesn't make any sense BTW, you inspired me. I just went out and bought chicken liver, but I'm turning it into pate after dd goes to bed."

Sorry, Whome, I was thinking of someone else. My DH was born in March!
DS is 16 months (on the 11th), and I know plenty of mamas who went well into their 2nd year with no ppaf. I was considering night weaning, but I don't think ds is ready for that right now -even though I AM!

Im so glad I inspired you. I'm not a chicken liver sort of gal, but I tried pate last month and it was *bearable*. DS loved it, however, and so I was trying to make it more palatable for myself. Of course, I never did get the bottle of wine open and I actually broke the bottle trying to get the cork out. So now the livers and bacon are sitting in the fridge. I plan on doing the NT thing tonight and hiding them in some ground beef empanadas (crusts made with Bobs red mill gluten free flour)

Hey Whome... why don't you try some more CLO?

Off to do some mag supplement research...

[crunchy_mama]

JR- I wouldnt' let the food/nurse issue be dropped either, thank goodness, you have raised your son well so he saved safe!

Interesting talk about the clutz issue. I was always labeled a clutz as a child and for me while I think that perhaps it could have been related to deficiencies as it seems I was undiagnosed Celiac- I think that a lot of it for me became a self-fulfilling prophecy. My mom would make constant comments about it- so it was stuck in my head that I just couldn't do things right in a sense- if that makes sense. Not that my mom belittled me all the time or anything or anything like that. I don't know how to explain that but when you hear that- that is how your brain processes itself- oh- I won't likely due that right. I am likely to fall, I am likely to trip- I am likely to drop things etc. It has taken a lot of deprogramming on my part. I don't know why I even say that I am sure you ladies are not that way at all- and like I said it is not like with my mom that she was insulting about it- it was just made as an observational statement- or you can see it in their eyes- oh she fell again- she made a mess again. Not that I was in a ball in the corner crying because I was a clutz or anything, but it has just made me sensitive to labeling of any behavior as being a certain way. How much do we influence in our child, just by our attitude or statements? When I try not to label as one thing am I pushing something else? There is always that unintended consequence thing- you know we all have those things that we are trying to do different than our parents or society or what have you- but by trying not to be those things what is the result? Who knows.

However, I am super sensitive about that now and labeling. And my radar is up, as to what is a normal amount of accidents to have- especially as to little kids who are constantly learning new skills in an ever-changing body. However, I don't know what is normal. Certainly- I am sure that some accidents would of course happen- but how much? How much probably varies each child I would think.

Some children also regress on language and such when they are trying to process another new skill- like something physical or if they are going through something emotional. Of course the reverse can be true as well- regression on the physical and etc. Trying to understand what kids do and why is complex enough even without going through the maze of guessing reactions or deficiences from a compromised gut.

I don't know I am rambling on about nothing much this am.

/rant on/ I do have one vent!!! My friend this am and I were talking about me trailing dairy with the kids. And she says oh, I need to try her milk(they have grassfed cows) because that way I don't have cross reaction due to pasturezation/homegenization - HEAD BANGING WALL- does she ever freakin' listen to me. Her and her dh are just convinced that everyone can tolerate raw grassfed milk and geez I didn't think of that. Seriously, I told her neither of my kids have even had storebought milk. When I trial it is always with grassfed butter first. She is just stuck on this SF bullsh*t that intolerance to raw dairy don't actually exist. Like her dh telling me all these kids that are milk intolerant are that way because they have had their guts ruined by storebought milk- really seriously- I wonder how they explain ALL the babies on here that were born that way. It is beyond their understanding. It is beyond their realm of reading that MANY cultures that WP studied didn't even consume milk- like the rest of the world's population. But they will only read SF's bastardization of his work. Then went on to tell me about how WP talks about how they just heal people from Celiac all the time- and of course we all just need to have soak and sprouted wheat and things would be peachy keen. And that is why I despise NT and SF/rant off/

[linguistmama]

Originally Posted by BonnieNova

Hey Whome... why don't you try some more CLO?

Off to do some mag supplement research...

Yeah, are you sure you tried everything LOL! JK!

I think I need some different mag too. Or I hope a different type would work ok. I got the mag only natural calm to try and I'm getting short of breath again. Several times now I've cut it out and it goes away, add it back and it comes back the next day. I'll have to google too to see if anything interesting comes up.

Google mostly shows mag deficiency as a possible cause of shortness of breath, but some sites also show it as a sign of overdose. I've never reached bowel tolerance and even 1/2 tsp causes shortness of breath. I can't believe I've od'd, I'm pretty sure I'm not getting enough!

[kjbrown92]

Originally Posted by crunchy_mama

/rant on/ I do have one vent!!! My friend this am and I were talking about me trailing dairy with the kids. And she says oh, I need to try her milk(they have grassfed cows) because that way I don't have cross reaction due to pasturezation/homegenization - HEAD BANGING WALL- does she ever freakin' listen to me. Her and her dh are just convinced that everyone can tolerate raw grassfed milk and geez I didn't think of that. Seriously, I told her neither of my kids have even had storebought milk. When I trial it is always with grassfed butter first. She is just stuck on this SF bullsh*t that intolerance to raw dairy don't actually exist. Like her dh telling me all these kids that are milk intolerant are that way because they have had their guts ruined by storebought milk- really seriously- I wonder how they explain ALL the babies on here that were born that way. It is beyond their understanding. It is beyond their realm of reading that MANY cultures that WP studied didn't even consume milk- like the rest of the world's population. But they will only read SF's bastardization of his work. Then went on to tell me about how WP talks about how they just heal people from Celiac all the time- and of course we all just need to have soak and sprouted wheat and things would be peachy keen. And that is why I despise NT and SF/rant off/

Rant away. I trialed my kids on raw milk as well. Same reaction as with all other milk. Of course people don't get that there's a difference between lactose intolerance and milk intolerance either. And the teachers at DD2's school asked what kind of reaction DD2 has when she eats something, I simplified by saying well she screams all night long (I left out the diarrhea, eczema, etc.) and I could tell she was thinking, so what, she screams... I mean, ALL NIGHT LONG. And then she's a crab ALL DAY LONG. And if you've had that for months on end, you know it's just not normal. Okay, now you've got me ranting too.

I use the GIPro or the Vital Nutrients Magnesium Glycinate. I'm corn-free and haven't noticed a problem (and if I reacted for a week to the stupid iodized salt on the potato at the fair, then I must be pretty sensitive).

DS goes to the osteopath today. I get to go on Friday. Hooray. My neck has been killing me!

[ASusan]

I am sorry to not be participating in the chat much these days. I have a ton of backlog at work.

I did, however, want to say to JR that I am *SO* impressed with your son's ability to decline the offer of Ensure - no matter how enticing the nurse tried to make it ("tastes like a milkshake" - bah!).

For those of you who don't like liver - I cut up lamb's liver into 1-inch pieces and froze them. I put a piece in the bottom of my blender when I make my green smoothies. (I'd like to add the phrase, "each morning," to that last sentence, but it would not be honest.) I cannot taste it at all!

Let me know if there is a problem (nutritional or otherwise) with lamb's liver; mine is grass-fed, organic, happy-to-die-for-you lamb from a farmer I trust. I figure it's just as good (for B-vits and such) as other livers?

[mtn.mama]

crunchy-mama.. i run into this kind of "spouting" from people about raw milk and sprouted grains all the time... and the condescension that I have obviously been on the wrong path for my daughter to be so affected. so rant away...


well, we ate blue corn yesterday. so far so good. all these biggie intolerances for us that I'm trialing these days... we're doing an upfront cautious trial- and then we're only rotating the foods in randomly. so as not to go overboard and tip the apple cart, yk? plus, who needs soy and cow dairy and corn everyday?!

ETA: my best guess is that it's all going to come back to gluten for us... i.e., we'll get back everything but...

[lil_miss_understood]

I swear I'm going to lose it. If DS3's not nursing, DS2 is. And he's been using his teeth increasingly. They're both sick and DS3 is teething on top of it... The rare few moments where one of them isn't nursing, I am doing nursing duties for DS1- and more usually that has to be done with one of the other 2 screaming and crying for milkies.
Thank goodness for batch cooking or I swear we'd be starved. As it is right now, I'm feeling starved constantly... it's not conducive to me being happy and unstressed, let me tell you. I am so hungry, tired and stressed.

[Thing1Thing2]

Just got a call back from Namaste foods. The xanthan gum is a derivative of rice.

Also, my GI pro probiotics just came in. One capsule has 25 billion - wow... Im considering opening one and putting half in DS coconut milk yogurt...

Hugs JR - I know how hard it can be with a sick child. I hope it gets easier for you soon.

[Theloose]

Originally Posted by ASusan

Let me know if there is a problem (nutritional or otherwise) with lamb's liver; mine is grass-fed, organic, happy-to-die-for-you lamb from a farmer I trust. I figure it's just as good (for B-vits and such) as other livers?

Lamb's liver is one of the highest in vit A, and so I think it's proportionately lower in B vits? Any liver is probably a good source of B's in general, though.

I just got back from my physical with the midwife, and I'm showing signs of fighting infection. So either I might be getting sick, or else my tooth is getting infected (the dentist said yesterday afternoon that it didn't look infected) or my midwife found what felt like a plugged duct - so potentially the beginning of mastitis. I'm making drops of milk at this point, so we weren't sure what to do about it, because all the recommendations assume you're not pregnant and 99% of lecithin supps are soy. So I'm supposed to rest. Last night, dd was up for HOURS. And I think I reacted to my dinner last night, which means no leftovers for lunch. Did I mention that I'm EXHAUSTED?
okay, pity party over. sigh.

[ASusan]

Originally Posted by whoMe

Lamb's liver is one of the highest in vit A, and so I think it's proportionately lower in B vits? Any liver is probably a good source of B's in general, though.

I just got back from my physical with the midwife, and I'm showing signs of fighting infection. So either I might be getting sick, or else my tooth is getting infected (the dentist said yesterday afternoon that it didn't look infected) or my midwife found what felt like a plugged duct - so potentially the beginning of mastitis. I'm making drops of milk at this point, so we weren't sure what to do about it, because all the recommendations assume you're not pregnant and 99% of lecithin supps are soy. So I'm supposed to rest. Last night, dd was up for HOURS. And I think I reacted to my dinner last night, which means no leftovers for lunch. Did I mention that I'm EXHAUSTED?
okay, pity party over. sigh.

can you do garlic? I did lots and lots of garlic for my plugged ducts/threatened mastitis. At least it would help with fighting the infection. (even it is in your tooth)


DS reacted to SOMEthing in my breastmilk last night. In the middle of the night, after nursing back to sleep, he sat straight up, gagged, spat, and started crying and clawing at his mouth and throat. Urrgh. I thought everything I had yesterday was safe - all things I've had before.

Except that I ate a huge handful(s) of fritos just before coming to bed and nursing him. and I've been afraid of him reacting to corn. He seems to take it whole just fine (like in Chipotle meals or on the cob).