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How is the formerly only child turned older sibling doing?

post #1 of 15
Thread Starter 
For those with older children (and particularly those w/one older child) how is the transition going for you all?

Our dd is 2.5 and is slowly showing signs of anger/confusion about the addition of her new brother. She's hit him a few times, wants to hug and kiss him REALLY hard, seems happiest when he is out of sight and least happy when he's in my arms (especially nursing). We deal with it by telling her she needs to give him soft hugs and kisses because he's too little for the big ones that she can give mama and papa. the hitting is getting her time-out now because she's made him cry a few times (and this kid almost doesn't cry at all).

My husband goes back to work part-time tomorrow, then full time next week probably. I've got family I can call on for help, but I kind of think the sooner we get settled into a normal routine with just the three of us, the better.

Any suggestions? Anyone else want to share their experience?
post #2 of 15
my daughter is almost 3.5, and still nursing, which i think helps. she loves her little brother, wants to hug and kiss him all the time. i do have to remind her (constantly) not to lean her weight on him. she is oblivious to the fact that he is so tiny and fragile, and that she can really hurt him by applying her weight to his body with, for example, her arm. it is unintentional on her part.

what i'm really having a problem with is her making so much noise when he is trying to sleep. particularly in the morning it has been a problem, since we all share a room (she is now in a toddler bed next to my bed, and i've got the baby sleeping with me). DD wakes up pretty early, whereas i've been used to sleeping in, and in fact getting my best stretch of sleep in the last five hours before i wake up. since the new baby arrived, DD has pretty much blown that out of the water, and all the sleep i'm getting has been in very broken peices through the night.

DD wakes up to nurse a couple of times during the night. i've decided it's easier to just let her climb up on me, nurse for a very short time (less than a minute usually) and tell her OK now get back in bed, which she does. this has been way easier on me than trying to persuade her not to nurse at all, or getting out of my bed to nurse her. (once i'm asleep and tucked in, i really really don't like getting up, and now that i'm not pregnant anymore, i find i can go all night pretty much without having to go pee... but i digress from your question).

my husband has been fairly useless as far as help with the kids. he's great for doing everything else though, so i guess it's OK. but i have both kids with me all day every day and it is a lot more work. the newborn is high needs care (my baby likes to be held all the time. i use the moby wrap as much as possible, and he will often settle down and fall into a nice deep sleep while being worn -- often, but not always). when DS is in the moby, i have a little time and ability to interact with DD more.

my son is four weeks old tonight. for the past week and a half, my mom has been coming over around 11 am and staying until 5 or 6 pm. she has been *great* for giving DD some one on one attention. they play preschool games like hiho cherry O and candy land. they go in the backyard and play for long stretches of time. DD even took my mom down in the basement where we have some things in storage and a few toys for her, and according to my mom was like a kid playing in an attic, inventing games and stories out of everything. my mom totally indulges her imagination and seems to have infinite patience with her. so this has been a real blessing.

as for me, i'm finding that my temper is short with DD and i do regret this a lot. but to cut myself a break, and give myself some understanding too, it is really really hard to try to do it all, all the time, and on so little sleep. it is starting to wear me down. DD loves her brother, and she is going to love having him in her life more and more as he grows and is able to really interact with her. the changes in our lives that we are currently undergoing is a necessary component of getting to the good that will come with her having a sibling.

it's pretty clear that i've pretty much spoiled her until now, since the behaviors that i've just put up with and indulged myself until now, are currently driving me crazy. DD has had to make a lot of adjustments.

what's worked for us, to try to answer your question, i've explained to her how DS really needs the nursing milk, without it he won't grow and he could die (maybe not for everyone to use that term, but our 13 year old dog died earlier this year, and we didn't shield DD from the reality of it when she passed away, and ever since she's been working out all of her questions about death, and she does seem to "get" that it's really really important for DS to get all of his chances to eat the milk. she will leave me alone nicely to nurse him. i do let her have a few chances to nurse during the day, i usually limit the duration of each nursing session for her, however.

at bedtime, hopefully he is already asleep, and i can do her/our regular routine of shower, tooth brush, hair brush, PJs, read a book she picks and nurse to sleep. usually it has gone really well. then i eat a triple serving of oatmeal, take an hour to myself and get ready for DS to wake up hungry again. tonight however DD would not go to sleep. it was getting to be very aggravating for me. two hours later and she was still up, DS was up and i felt my milk was not as abundant as it should have been for him, since DD had already taken it all (and still not gone to bed).

i let her watch a DVD while i nursed him, and she finally fell asleep in front of the TV. i feel very guilty about this. but the truth is most night have gone a lot more smoothly than this, mostly she nurses to sleep in her own bed.

OK enough about me and my situation, sorry to have rambled. i am interested in the topic, though, and will be curious to read more replies.

thanks for bringing up the subject!
post #3 of 15
Thread Starter 
ElliesMomma, I'm glad you went into so much detail. I opened the thread more to share experiences than for advice for just myself.

I weaned my dd about three months ago. It was a gradual process that started as soon as I found out I was pregnant at the end of January. It actually went very smoothly. She was upset about not nursing twice (a week after no nursings and a couple weeks after that).

I was too afraid that tandem nursing would try my patience beyond limit. When dd was a newborn she was high needs and I felt "touched out" for the first year (at least). I didn't want to get into a situation where I wanted to wean her once the baby was born. I thought it would be better for all if that step had already been taken.

I'm glad she isn't nursing now; I really have no interest in allowing her to nurse. However, I remember reading an article in Mothering several months ago about a woman who started nursing her older child again once she had a baby and it really helped with the anger of the older child. Something to think about, I guess.

I'm fortunate that (so far) my son is very mellow. We have an Amby hammock that he takes naps in and for my dd it is almost like he's not there. That will allow us to have time to interact one on one.

I'm sad that my husband is returning to work; he and my dd have been spending so much time together and I've enjoyed getting to know my newborn. However, I'm hoping that my dd will recognize that life is going a little more back to what she's used to and that will help her behavior.

Ahh, these long posts feel very therapeutic to write
post #4 of 15
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Originally Posted by ElliesMomma View Post
my daughter is almost 3.5, and still nursing, which i think helps. she loves her little brother, wants to hug and kiss him all the time. i do have to remind her (constantly) not to lean her weight on him. she is oblivious to the fact that he is so tiny and fragile, and that she can really hurt him by applying her weight to his body with, for example, her arm. it is unintentional on her part.

what i'm really having a problem with is her making so much noise when he is trying to sleep. particularly in the morning it has been a problem, since we all share a room (she is now in a toddler bed next to my bed, and i've got the baby sleeping with me). DD wakes up pretty early, whereas i've been used to sleeping in, and in fact getting my best stretch of sleep in the last five hours before i wake up. since the new baby arrived, DD has pretty much blown that out of the water, and all the sleep i'm getting has been in very broken peices through the night.

DD wakes up to nurse a couple of times during the night. i've decided it's easier to just let her climb up on me, nurse for a very short time (less than a minute usually) and tell her OK now get back in bed, which she does. this has been way easier on me than trying to persuade her not to nurse at all, or getting out of my bed to nurse her. (once i'm asleep and tucked in, i really really don't like getting up, and now that i'm not pregnant anymore, i find i can go all night pretty much without having to go pee... but i digress from your question).

my husband has been fairly useless as far as help with the kids. he's great for doing everything else though, so i guess it's OK. but i have both kids with me all day every day and it is a lot more work. the newborn is high needs care (my baby likes to be held all the time. i use the moby wrap as much as possible, and he will often settle down and fall into a nice deep sleep while being worn -- often, but not always). when DS is in the moby, i have a little time and ability to interact with DD more.

my son is four weeks old tonight. for the past week and a half, my mom has been coming over around 11 am and staying until 5 or 6 pm. she has been *great* for giving DD some one on one attention. they play preschool games like hiho cherry O and candy land. they go in the backyard and play for long stretches of time. DD even took my mom down in the basement where we have some things in storage and a few toys for her, and according to my mom was like a kid playing in an attic, inventing games and stories out of everything. my mom totally indulges her imagination and seems to have infinite patience with her. so this has been a real blessing.

as for me, i'm finding that my temper is short with DD and i do regret this a lot. but to cut myself a break, and give myself some understanding too, it is really really hard to try to do it all, all the time, and on so little sleep. it is starting to wear me down. DD loves her brother, and she is going to love having him in her life more and more as he grows and is able to really interact with her. the changes in our lives that we are currently undergoing is a necessary component of getting to the good that will come with her having a sibling.

it's pretty clear that i've pretty much spoiled her until now, since the behaviors that i've just put up with and indulged myself until now, are currently driving me crazy. DD has had to make a lot of adjustments.

what's worked for us, to try to answer your question, i've explained to her how DS really needs the nursing milk, without it he won't grow and he could die (maybe not for everyone to use that term, but our 13 year old dog died earlier this year, and we didn't shield DD from the reality of it when she passed away, and ever since she's been working out all of her questions about death, and she does seem to "get" that it's really really important for DS to get all of his chances to eat the milk. she will leave me alone nicely to nurse him. i do let her have a few chances to nurse during the day, i usually limit the duration of each nursing session for her, however.

at bedtime, hopefully he is already asleep, and i can do her/our regular routine of shower, tooth brush, hair brush, PJs, read a book she picks and nurse to sleep. usually it has gone really well. then i eat a triple serving of oatmeal, take an hour to myself and get ready for DS to wake up hungry again. tonight however DD would not go to sleep. it was getting to be very aggravating for me. two hours later and she was still up, DS was up and i felt my milk was not as abundant as it should have been for him, since DD had already taken it all (and still not gone to bed).

i let her watch a DVD while i nursed him, and she finally fell asleep in front of the TV. i feel very guilty about this. but the truth is most night have gone a lot more smoothly than this, mostly she nurses to sleep in her own bed.

OK enough about me and my situation, sorry to have rambled. i am interested in the topic, though, and will be curious to read more replies.

thanks for bringing up the subject!
I could not have said it better myself

DD nurses only at bed here...if it were up to her she would nurse 24/7 even now.
I also feel like she is facinated with all the baby stuff, diapers, baby clothes etc...so I let her play with them, use them on her dolls, etc. and I too feel like I say "no" and "please dont do that" a million times a day. DH is back to work and has made it clear that he is "unprepared" to be "alone" with his 2 kids (yet he does not think twice about leaving for a 10+ hour day). I do "get out" and do find some comfort in our daily routine.
the babe is nearly 3 weeks now and we are in the throws of birtday party planning and halloween for dd who will be 3 next week (eeek--how did that happen) which helps with the "focus" back on dd

elliesmama thans for summing it up
post #5 of 15
My DD was much older when I had DS 1, and at 6 she adapted really well- and could be reasoned with. This time, we've added DS 2 to the mix of 7 yo dd and 1 yo ds1. DS 1 was iffy for about 2 days, but has now adapted without a problem. Of course, I *swear* he is the most laid back, happy, gentle child I have ever seen. He's not super fond of his dad holding the baby, but he's tolerating it well. I'm allowed to hold/nurse baby without his caring through.. so it works for us.

He's also learned to tell me when the baby wakes. On those rare occasions he sleeps somewhere other than in my arms, Aiden will come over saying 'Mum! Mum! Mum!' as soon as Keagan wakes.
post #6 of 15
Ian is doing great, a bit over-excited/over-stimulated because Grandma is here, but he's otherwise doing just fine. A big difference from when Connor joined the family!!

Connor, on the other hand, is having some trouble. He doesn't like me holding Gavin, and REALLY doesn't like me nursing Gavin. This morning I tried tandeming for the first time, and it wasn't real successful. Gavin is having a bit of trouble latching since I'm pretty engorged, so I need an extra hand sometimes if he loses his latch, and I don't have that extra hand if Connor is nursing. So I kept having to ask Connor to let go so I could rearrange Gavin. Connor didn't like that!!

It's too early to tell how Connor is going to handle this. Cognitively and developmentally he's not really 2.5 years old, and it's becoming more and more obvious that we've treated him differently (appropriately, though, we treat him more like his cognitive/developmental age than his chronological age) We're asking him to "grow up" pretty quick here, and I know that's going to take some time and have an impact on his behavior. His teachers and therapists at his special needs school are working with him, too.
post #7 of 15
My DD is 26 months and is actually doing fantastic with the new baby. The worst thing (which isn't really bad) is that she wants to over-help. She wants to change his diaper, carry him, etc. all by herself and gets frustrated if I help. She also wants to kiss and hug him all the time, even when he's sleeping. We had to institute a "we don't bother people when they're sleeping" rule. But otherwise, we're doing great. But he's only a week old, so maybe this will all go downhill!

I think the best thing we've done is keep her routine totally normal. She's still going to school twice a week, we still have mommy/daddy cuddle time in the morning (I move the baby out of the bed and into his cosleeper so we can have time just with my 2yo like we used to), we've stuck to our lunch/nap and bedtime routines with the same parent doing the usual things. So to her, nothing's changed really - there's just a new brother around.
post #8 of 15
My DS is 34 months and my experience has been a lot like ElliesMomma's. He is still nursing, and while I was pregnant, he would only nurse at naptime and bedtime and would unlatch right away when I asked him to. Now, he won't unlatch for anything and wants to nurse all the time. I have explained to him that baby sister needs the milk or she could get very sick and have to go back to the hospital, and he seems to understand, but then just doesn't care. He knows he has to wait his turn...but every time I go to nurse her just about, he yells out, NO, IT's MY TURN! I have been losing my temper with him a lot, he has tried to hurt her a few times and it really pushes my buttons. My DH is unemployed and so he's been helping a lot, but it seems like sometimes he just gives up and lets my DS go wild on me. Thank goodness my mom and grandmother are flying in on Saturday.
post #9 of 15
My ds is 2 and has been great from day 1. He hugs and kisses the baby and wants to hold her a lot. He is also still nursing (and I often nurse them together) and I think this is a huge part of why he loves her. When people come over, he says, "That's Susanna!" He seems to like to show her off. I also have someone here with me full time and will until the baby is 4 weeks old. Dh was off for 10 days, my mom is off for another week, and then my MIL is coming for a week. So my ds has other people around, not just mommy, which is a huge part of it too.
post #10 of 15
I am so glad to read this thread..The thing we are struggling with right now is co-sleeping with my dd and my newborn. How do you other mamas do this? I will also post in nighttime parenting but I want your opinions too.

At least once per night the whole family is awake and struggling to get dd back to sleep. Other parents say that there older dc just sleeps through it but not ours and she wants me to rub her back or cuddle and I can't cause ds needs me and I don't feel ok with turning my back on the newborn. So we are struggling with this our house is just not set up right for noise control so even if she were out of her bed she would still probably wake.

Ok enough about that.
my reccomendation that has worked so far is cutting out special cuddle time for dad and big sibling and mom and big sibling. Good luck with the hitting that sucks.
post #11 of 15
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Originally Posted by AbiSolsticebaby View Post
I am so glad to read this thread..The thing we are struggling with right now is co-sleeping with my dd and my newborn. How do you other mamas do this? I will also post in nighttime parenting but I want your opinions too.
Co-sleeping has gone as it always has for us, which surprised me. The new baby doesn't really cry, but even if she fusses, it does not wake ds. We sleep on a king size futon and a twin futon pulled next to each other with no frame. Ds sleeps on the twin usually and has been crawling over to me in the middle of the night but it has not been a problem. Ds and dd are not waking each other up at all.
post #12 of 15
after reading from others, i made a change in tonight's routine -- or rather, i went back to our old routine. i got DS (the newborn) into his bassinette at 7:30 bedtime (he was finally sound asleep after a full day of restlessness, in which he would only sleep in my arms... exhausting for us all), and i made a big deal to DD (3 yo) that she would get to nurse to sleep in the big bed. i will be moving her into her toddler bed later when DS wakes, which may be pretty soon, he is beginning to move around, but eyes not yet open. i'm eating my triple serving of oatmeal. should be replenished in the milk department within the hour. DD went right to sleep like she used to. i didn't like nursing her in that toddler bed anyway -- it's way to small for an adult to stretch out in.

i think i had gone a step too far with keeping her out of the big bed entirely, and that may have been jamming her up a bit and keeping her up at night. in any case, i've got my hour of solitude, two sleeping kids bliss for now.

and may i just say THANK GOD.

thanks for your tips. if you have more, please keep them coming.
post #13 of 15
My three yeard old ds has become a sociopath. Need I say more. I will post later when I don't feel like crying about the whole situation.
post #14 of 15
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Originally Posted by angelachristin View Post
My DS is 34 months and my experience has been a lot like ElliesMomma's. He is still nursing, and while I was pregnant, he would only nurse at naptime and bedtime and would unlatch right away when I asked him to. Now, he won't unlatch for anything and wants to nurse all the time. I have explained to him that baby sister needs the milk or she could get very sick and have to go back to the hospital, and he seems to understand, but then just doesn't care. He knows he has to wait his turn...but every time I go to nurse her just about, he yells out, NO, IT's MY TURN! I have been losing my temper with him a lot, he has tried to hurt her a few times and it really pushes my buttons. My DH is unemployed and so he's been helping a lot, but it seems like sometimes he just gives up and lets my DS go wild on me. Thank goodness my mom and grandmother are flying in on Saturday.
: I could have written this.......Mine does hurt the other one
post #15 of 15
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My three yeard old ds has become a sociopath. Need I say more. I will post later when I don't feel like crying about the whole situation.
I'm so, so sorry.
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