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What are my rights in the hospital, as a mom?

post #1 of 11
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First 2 days in the hospital:

When my DS was born things were difficult (birth was traumatic, and he wasn't breathing, wasn't placed on my chest, student nurses etc. interfering in our family time & privacy)... DS didn't latch well and being a FTM I didn't know how BF'ing was supposed to feel or anything. He ate round the clock -- and I don't mean every 2 hours around the clock like people complain about. I mean he ate CONSTANTLY. The first 2 days in the hospital, I think I got about 1 hour sleep total. He slept about 2 hours total. The rest of the time he was eating (or trying to). He spit up frequently, and I didn't know if this was normal, at least not in the quantity/frequency he was doing it. Anyway... so the hospital had me keeping track of how often and how long he was eating. If he tried to eat for 20 minutes but only got about 3 minutes of active sucking, I wrote 3 minutes down. So I guess that was my bad, I should've just written down 20 minutes since that's what they wanted to see. He was really fussy. So the nurse kept coming in and saying if I didn't get him to eat more & all that we would need to give him formula. They kept saying I didn't make enough milk. I was soooo frustrated, I knew they were wrong but wasn't sure how much authority they had. I know he's my son but could they actually force me to give him formula, would social services get involved, etc? So I actually lied to them once or twice & exaggerated how much he ate. Well that wasn't enough for them & he kept crying. They kept taking him to test for low blood sugar, and I kept trying to tell them he was just stressed 'cause they wouldn't let him rest (and the nurse replied, "BABIES DON'T GET STRESSED!") His blood sugar was normal each time. But they came back the second night & said the pedi said he was getting dehydrated and we HAD to give him formula. Tired of fighting, I gave him about an ounce from the bottle they handed me. He spit up a HUGE amount and then slept about 4 hours straight. Of course then my milk came in, so I had to get up and pump since he was full of formula. Then next day as we were planning to discharge ourselves against medical advice, the LC FINALLY came and showed me how to correct his bad latch and he started eating properly and I cried, I was sooo grateful that finally someone not only helped me but believed I could BF!!!! However she told me I shouldn't have supplememnted with formula (duh I KNOW that but the nurse/pedi forced it on us!) He still wanted to eat non-stop & still wouldn't sleep so the LC made me give him a paci. The LC also had to help us latch frequently throughout the day. We left the hospital the next day, GOOD RIDANCE!!!

So we get home & throw out the paci. Each feeding was a battle, I had to pump a minute to draw the nipple out and then DH had to drip sugar water on my nipple while I tried to latch DS. Rinse, repeat... He ate every 1/2 hour or so for the first 4 months and then finally now at 8 months is eating every 1-2 hours around the clock. I had oversupply and had to block feed. He hasn't had a paci since we left the hospital & no bottles except that one oz of formula in the hospital, & his weight gain has been perfect and his spitting up went away on its own around 6-7 months. He was & still is a very fussy baby, that's just his temperment.

ANYWAY!!

So why am I writing all this? Well for one, I'm still frustrated at the hospital. I needed to vent. And I want to know who was "right" -- me or them. And why do they act pro-BF and then interfere every step of the way (there was a lot more that happened but I was trying to keep it brief). Also I want to know what are my rights as a parent, do I have to feed formula (next time around) if the hospital insists, or do I have the right to refuse?? Could they report that to CPS if they felt my child was getting malnourished (at 1 day old)? Was my BF experience unusual? Was my hospital experience typical?
post #2 of 11
I can't answer all your questions but I can tell you that I had some similarities with my hospital experience.

The nurse was definitely not knowledgable about breastfeeding. She told me to give him a pacifier, all I could do was laugh at her. It was just my reaction.

The same nurse weighed him and told me some nonsense about his weight and the ped might insist on formula when I started asking for details what she was talking about she said it was based on some chart. So being the math smarty that I am I showed her that he wasn't anywhere near the weight loss that to them calls for formula. SHe was using the wrong birthweight. I was sooooooooo pissed for all the Moms who would have been too tired to argue or to do the math and that this woman would have been pushing supplementing. When they gave me the formula diaper bag I left the formula samples and enjoyed the book on breastfeeding and the very nice diaper bag.

It was frustrating but I had taken classes and had my midwife and the hospital lc (one who taught the class) checking us so I had them to lean on if things had gotten ugly.

You did what you could in the situation. i think you should be so proud of how far you have come in your breastfeeding journey with your lo.
post #3 of 11
Thread Starter 
Thank you. There are so many things that went differently than I expected and I would have been soooo mad if in the end I couldn't BF because they had sabotaged my efforts! I was glad I had taken a class & done a lot of reading and overall was able to stand up for us but I wish I had been even stronger and more knowledgeable! My son lost 10% of his birthweight but that's not too far outside of "normal" and he gained it all back & then some within a week of BF'ing!! The thing I understand least is why you'd want to give a kid formula if they weren't gaining... *sigh* Well thank you for letting me vent and reading what I wrote... It's sad that new moms have to struggle for the right to do what is most natural.
post #4 of 11
I think all of this is very common, to a greater or lesser degree. A lot seems to depend on getting a good latch right away - if you don't then they are on you to supplement so fast! So then it depends on your baby and if your nurse is good at helping you latch, and if you have an LC to come help right away.

I think a lot could be accomplished by having an LC on duty at all times to help each mother begin to breastfeed, and to really keep nurses learning more and more - maybe even making continuing education in BF a pre-requisite to promotion or something like that.

And why anyone still supplements ith a bottle boggles my mind.
post #5 of 11
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Originally Posted by alissamari View Post
Thank you. There are so many things that went differently than I expected and I would have been soooo mad if in the end I couldn't BF because they had sabotaged my efforts! I was glad I had taken a class & done a lot of reading and overall was able to stand up for us but I wish I had been even stronger and more knowledgeable! My son lost 10% of his birthweight but that's not too far outside of "normal" and he gained it all back & then some within a week of BF'ing!! The thing I understand least is why you'd want to give a kid formula if they weren't gaining... *sigh* Well thank you for letting me vent and reading what I wrote... It's sad that new moms have to struggle for the right to do what is most natural.
sorry you had to through all that, you did a great job and should be proud of yourself

not sure about where you are but here they say it is completely normal for a baby to loose 10% of their birth weight during the first few days
post #6 of 11
s he sounds kind of like my first DS 2.5 years ago - we actually stayed in the hospital for 3 or 4 days just because he too could *not* figure out how to latch on and nurse. On day 2 or 3 we too gave him 3/4 of an oz of formula just so he had SOMETHING in his stomach (he had nursed for maybe 10-20 minutes total at that point. Maybe.). The first few weeks were HARD - I had to sit in ONE chair in ONE position with pillos just-so for him to latch on and nurse. But he did figure it out eventually. I think you did OK - I know I don't feel bad abou the 3/4 oz of formula my DS had that one time and IMO it did help him wake up and nurse properly later on - he was just SOO sleepy and lethargic those first few days!!
post #7 of 11
Well of course you didn't have "enough" milk yet! It wasn't even in. And his stomach was only the size of a marble.
post #8 of 11
I just wanted to say congrats to you for sticking through the ugliness at the hospital..
Not every hospital is like that, although I fear that more are than aren't.
My hospital was fabulous about breastfeeding and were helping me to get DD to latch immediately after she was born. They also came to my room numerous times when I called to help me figure out if I was doing it right, (FTM here too)...

It's really great that you were able to establish a BFing relationship with your LO DESPITE the hospitals efforts...

Maybe if you have another you could try another hospital, unless it is the only one near you. I know that is often a problem.
post #9 of 11
These stories frustrate me to no end. My SIL had a similar experience in the hospital and got a LOT of misinformation from nurses etc. She is still supplementing with formula 6 weeks later because she thinks she can't make enough milk--well duh, the nurses told her to use a paci to "draw the baby's tongue out" and she still believes this is the best way to help with latch. Nevermind that she "has" to use a shield now on top of everything else. And I can't really give her advice since I haven't had the experience myself yet. (Just TONS of research, but what do I know? )

I wish every new mom was given a copy of the Sears book or Womanly Art of Breastfeeding as soon as they became pregnant. So much misinformation out there!
post #10 of 11
I don't have a good handle on your "rights," but I would think that before any supplements were given you could: 1) insist on an evaluation from your ped - and all the more if they are supportive and 2) insist on a visit from the LC.

I experienced something similar with 2 LCs and 2 nurses that all have different advice. I've also noticed that all LCs are NOT created equal. At a minimum you want an IBLC but even that is no gaurantee. My LC insisted on a bottle of sugar water mixed with my colostrum. We used a dropper, I think, we she totally sloshed out like 1/3 of the colostrum I had pumped! We both kind of stared at each other in horror. If I had it to do over, we would not have used the sugar water. But kid is fine.

I had an all day sucker who NEVER took a paci and if I had THAT to do over I would use a paci.

Keep up the good work. You're doing a great job. I think you always have the option of a second opinion.
post #11 of 11
to you. So sorry they bullied you.
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