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post #1 of 9
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I have come to the conclusion that sibling rivalry has the potential to completely destroy a family. It causes so much stress and upset in this house that I feel sick. I feel as if I am slowly losing my mind with all the fighting and screaming that my two older children produce daily.

I need a place to start. They can't even go 5 minutes without screaming and fighting.

Tips?
post #2 of 9
can you elaborate?
post #3 of 9
The bickering in my house with my older kids stopped when I read and applied the principles in Mom, Jason's breathing on me. Anthony Wolfe is the author. I read Siblings without Rivalry and while it didn't help stop the bickering some of the suggestions were a nice add on to Anthony Wolfe's philosophy.

My older children are noW 15 and 19 and quite close, though some of that might have to do with the fact that the oldest moved out.

My younger two children do not bicker at all and rarely argue. In fact just the opposite, they are each other's greatest advocates. People comment on it all the time. They are 4 and 6.

I agree...wish I had discovered it sooner. The constant fighting/bickering is crazy!
post #4 of 9
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can you elaborate?
Just like it says below, constant fighting/bickering. My older two are 9 and 7 and just constantly at eachother.

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The bickering in my house with my older kids stopped when I read and applied the principles in Mom, Jason's breathing on me. Anthony Wolfe is the author. I read Siblings without Rivalry and while it didn't help stop the bickering some of the suggestions were a nice add on to Anthony Wolfe's philosophy.


My younger two children do not bicker at all and rarely argue. In fact just the opposite, they are each other's greatest advocates. People comment on it all the time. They are 4 and 6.
Thanks! I will have to look up that book. And similar with my two younger children, they do not fight at all!
post #5 of 9
Have you read 'Siblings Without Rivalry' by Adele Faber&Elaine Mazlish.
It is a FAB book - and so easy and enjoyable to read (which can make a difference). So much so, you will fly right through it, so its good to buy so you can have it to pick up and read often as a great refresher.

I think the first thing that it takes for your sanity, is a change in perspective. I will quote from the book, because I feel this is a good thing to highlight:

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"Where had I heard those words before? Only I was crazed on the subject. I was going to see to it personally that my two boys become friends. AS a result I found myself on an emotional roller coaster. Everytime they played together nicely, I would elate. I'd think 'there! They do like each other. I'm a wonderful mother.' And everytime they fought, I would despair. 'They hate eachother, and it's my fault!'. One of the happiest days of my life was the day I gave up the 'good friends' dream and replaced it with a more realistic goal.
The woman seemed confused. 'I'm not sure I know what you're getting at, she said'.
Instead of worrying about the boys becoming friends, I explained, I began to think about how to equip them with the attidues and skills they'd need for all their caring relationships. There was so much for them to know. I didn't want them hung up all theri lives on who was right and who was wrong. I wanted them to be able to move past that kind of thinkign and learn how to really listen to eachother, how to respect the differences between them, how to find the ways to resolve those differences. Even if their personalities were such that they could never be friends, at least they would have the power to make a friend and be a friend.
The woman was taken aback. I could see why. It had taken me a long time to make peace with what I had just summed up for her so swiftly."
This is what the book is about. I think its realistic and healthy. I think if we set out with unrealistic goals for our children - then that is where we can start to feel like it will destroy the family. If it doesn't do that, it will certainly do your head in!

The book covers so much great stuff.
1). Bad feelings. Its okay to have them. Its even better to use our words and talk about them. Children can do this safely with their parents. And parents can respond unconditonally by validating their feelings with respect and understanding and sometimes helping our children use better words and express what they really feel without undermining them and putting them down (or putting their sibling down to help put the up).
2). How to avoid creating unnessasiry rivalry between our children. Avoiding comparisons (favourable and unfavourable). And how to avoid putting children in 'roles'.
3). Equal is less. How to treat our children the same, because it is imposible to always treat them equally. (that alone can drive anyone loopy).
4). Fighting - how to intervene helpfully (and how not to always intervene!). Helping our children to resolve conflict.
5). Making peace with the past. Moving on.

I will also suggest Naomi Aldorts 'Raising Our Children, Raising Ourselves' because it it just a fab parenting book all around. It covers siblings briefly - but the rest of it is so very important, no matter how many children you have. Mostly the part about raising yourself. Cause its important to know why stuff bugs us and to heal from our own childhood - so that we can not bring that into our childrens and raise them the way we feel is best!

I think ive become a bit of a buhddist as a mother... One important skill I think to have is to get things into perspective (whats really important/what really matters and makes a difference) and let a lot of the bad stuff just wash over you.
post #6 of 9
Totally agree with Ann of Loxley!

One thing that helped (for us) is having faith in our kids, that they will be able to work out a lot of their own issues. Most arguments we choose to stay out of and let them work it out. Admittedly, it was hard at first, especially if their was slight violence involved. We would of course, stay close by and usually say something like, "we have faith in your ability to work out your issues between each other, make sure to tell one another how you feel. That will go a lot further than violence" and the result was almost always a creative compromise that we would have never thought of!
post #7 of 9
At what age do you think it`s appropriate to begin applying these techniques? I ask becasue my two are 1.5 and 4.5 and they still seem to be a bit young to me to let them sort it out, especially because it rapidly become physical. And it also feels important to us to protect older dd's space and stuff. But I don't want to be fostering bad habits and would like to encourage positive interactions. Older dd still seems very resentful of younger dd much of the time. When were your kids old enough for this stuff to start working?
post #8 of 9
I'm going to disagree. I think that Siblings without Rivalry is a horrible book. The entire book is set up to allow the more dominant child to bully and control the other children. That one child can cause the rest of the kids to get in trouble and face consequences by pushing their buttons.

IMO, it doesn't solve anything other than shoving the problem underground so the parent doesn't have to listen to it or deal with it.

IME, children bring their problems to adults attention when they've run out of tools to solve it. When they can they work things out between themselves even from a young age. The fact that a disagreement has gotten so heated that an adult becomes involved means that the kids have run out of tools.

My own strategy is to be a sounding board. Each kid tells me infront of the other their view of what's happened. If they aren't quite old enough then I help. I've found that it helps to then relay what they've said to the other kid. Often hearing the problem triggers them to come up with a solution.
post #9 of 9
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Originally Posted by ann_of_loxley View Post
Have you read 'Siblings Without Rivalry' by Adele Faber&Elaine Mazlish.

I will also suggest Naomi Aldorts 'Raising Our Children, Raising Ourselves' because it it just a fab parenting book all around.

One important skill I think to have is to get things into perspective (whats really important/what really matters and makes a difference) and let a lot of the bad stuff just wash over you.
Thanks! I will pick up the "Siblings Without Rivalry" and see how it goes. I have read "Raising Our Children, Raising Ourselves" and also "Unconditional Parenting".

I agree with the perspective thing... that is along the lines of what is usually my advice for new parents, "If your experience does not meet your expectations than you need to change your expectations". I find that we as parents often expect way too much of our children at the various ages. ie., expecting a 2 monther to sleep through the night or a 2 year old to sit still at the table, etc., etc., etc.,.

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Originally Posted by JL83 View Post
I'm going to disagree. I think that Siblings without Rivalry is a horrible book. The entire book is set up to allow the more dominant child to bully and control the other children. That one child can cause the rest of the kids to get in trouble and face consequences by pushing their buttons.

My own strategy is to be a sounding board. Each kid tells me infront of the other their view of what's happened. If they aren't quite old enough then I help. I've found that it helps to then relay what they've said to the other kid. Often hearing the problem triggers them to come up with a solution.
Thanks for your advice as well, I will try to incorporate that with my children.... I'm sure I'll be able to practice it first thing in the morning as that's when the fighting with them usually starts.

Thanks again.
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