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post #1 of 10
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I'm reading the Transforming the Difficult Child. I'm pretty committed to trying it out with my 5yo.

I'm ready to start the consequence part, for major offenses [hitting, kicking, throwing, which are happening every day] the book recommends community service.

I can't think of what to give a 5yo for community service. It has to be something which can be completed on the spot and at home, because it can't be delayed [too confusing for a 5yo]. Ideally it would take 5 - 20 minutes I guess? My understanding is it should be some sort of active work he has to do that is helpful to others.

I thought of making drawings or crafty gifts for whoever he hits, but we do that for fun. I don't want the community service to be miserable but I don't want it confused with fun, either.

Any suggestions?

Thanks in advance!
post #2 of 10
Things that would work in our house:

Folding laundry/putting away laundry for the person he hurt.
Spending 5 minutes picking up things for them.
Washing the woodwork.
Vacuuming the living room.
Rounding up their library books and putting them in a single place.
Rounding up their shoes and putting them away (somehow shoes never make it to the shoe rack sitting by the front door!)
Helping fix something of theirs that's broken.
Helping fix someone a meal/snack/treat
post #3 of 10
These are the suggestions in the back of the workbook:
*cleaning the garage
*picking up litter in the neighborhood
*cleaning the yard for an elderly neighbor
*dusting/vacuuming
*folding/putting away the laundry
*washing the family car
*picking weeds
*washing windows
*bathing the dog
*cleaning the litter box

We just started this working on this process with our 4 year old so we're not actually to this point yet. I'd like to hear your feedback on what works for your son. We'll probably lean toward picking up toys, picking up sticks in the yard, raking leaves and some light cleaning.
post #4 of 10
I've never heard of this book until now. I'll have to check it out.

Not sure what a 5yo could do. I'd be concerned that chores could be associated with punishments and that could make a person less likely to help out. I suppose they explain in the book...so I will go find a copy!
post #5 of 10
I agree with the PP, wouldn't this make helping out around the house punishment? Personally, I don't think consequences work and favor the approach of Beyond Consequences, it gets to the the core of the issue rather than trying to modify behavior with imposed consequences.
post #6 of 10
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Originally Posted by uccomama View Post
I agree with the PP, wouldn't this make helping out around the house punishment?
I'm guessing that the idea here is more that the child finds a way to make amends. I think that making amends is important. Sometimes it's obvious how to do it-if I break your toy, an obvious way to make amends is to either fix it or buy a new one. Other times, it's not so clear. I think this might be where the idea of "community service" comes in (though I'm not familiar with this particular book, the idea of making amends is one I've heard before). I could be wrong. I think making amends is a good thing.

I think things to consider when making amends/doing community service are: What would be meaningful to the person you've hurt? What can you do that would show them that you care? What would they appreciate? Maybe you can sit down together in advance and come up with a list of ideas that your family would appreciate.
post #7 of 10
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Originally Posted by Magella View Post
I'm guessing that the idea here is more that the child finds a way to make amends. I think that making amends is important. Sometimes it's obvious how to do it-if I break your toy, an obvious way to make amends is to either fix it or buy a new one. Other times, it's not so clear. I think this might be where the idea of "community service" comes in (though I'm not familiar with this particular book, the idea of making amends is one I've heard before). I could be wrong. I think making amends is a good thing.

I think things to consider when making amends/doing community service are: What would be meaningful to the person you've hurt? What can you do that would show them that you care? What would they appreciate? Maybe you can sit down together in advance and come up with a list of ideas that your family would appreciate.
To me, this still seems very forced and doesn't address the reason for the dysregulation that is causing the behavior (hitting, kicking, throwing etc).
post #8 of 10
ugh i must say i hate that idea.

you kicked someone so you should clean out the garage.

i am a volunteer organiser for an organisation. do you know how hard it is to deal with teenagers who are just volunteering because they have to not because they want to?!!!!

i this as the same thing starting early.

kicking throwing (within reason) i still consider normal for a 5 year old. not to be punished but understood. esp. as they go thru their first phase of angst. they are totally what i call 'hormonal' and having seen my dd and some of her friends go thru it, it would be sad if they had to clean house because of that.

now if it is done gently i guess its ok. if you both decide that is how you guys would like to treat it then absolutely.

working with older kids and teenagers i see so much of the direct result of kids being forced to do things they dont like as a punishment without their involvement in the decision that it really irks me. contrast them with kids who DO want to help. who DO want to do community work. black adn white difference.
post #9 of 10
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Originally Posted by uccomama View Post
To me, this still seems very forced and doesn't address the reason for the dysregulation that is causing the behavior (hitting, kicking, throwing etc).
I'm not getting that "community service" is the only thing OP is doing. I would imagine that it's part of a larger approach. I agree that making amends, by itself, doesn't address the reasons for the behavior or even the behavior itself. That doesn't mean that making amends isn't a valuable thing for a child to begin to learn to do. Likewise, if the only thing I do in response is to address their reasons for their behavior (the "dysregulation"), I'm not addressing how their actions affect others and how we can "repair" the relationship. It's important to address the child's inner experience (which led to the behavior), and the effects on the other person(s) along with how we can make amends for what we've done.

I think of the process of making amends along the lines of how Barbara Coloroso explains it: the three R's. Restitution, Resolution, Reconciliation. Restitution is fixing what you've done-like fixing that toy you broke (and here it's also appropriate to request/suggest, not demand, that your child apologize). Some things aren't easy to fix, as is the case when we've hit someone. Resolution is problem-solving to prevent the problem from happening again (this can include things like helping a child get more sleep, helping a child learn to express feelings more appropriately and effectively, etc., etc.). This is where the parent works with the child to figure out what's going on, what led to this, how we can prevent it, different ways the child might handle the situation. Reconciliation is the third R. This refers to the process of healing with the person you've harmed in some way. This might include spending time doing things with or for that person, to foster a positive relationship and show intent to work at resolution (like trying to express feelings differently).

I think that sometimes, when you've done something that isn't easily fixed (like hitting or hurtful words) one piece of making amends (restitution and reconciliation) can be to do something for the person you've hurt. You can't fix the wound your words caused, but you can work to repair the trust/relationship. You can begin to do that by giving of yourself a little, doing something kind. And the positive experience can help not just the person who was hurt, but can help the child who did the hurting take responsibility in a positive way. It can feel good to make amends. Of course, I think that the child needs to be the one to choose how to make amends-the restitution and reconciliation-with guidance if needed. But in my family, making amends has been a beautiful thing--that goes hand in hand with, indeed is an integral part of, the process of addressing the reasons for behavior.

eta: It has been my experience that a 5 year old is quite capable of participating in this kind of process. And in case anyone is interested, Barbara Coloroso's "Three R's" come from her book The Bully, The Bullied, and The Bystander.
post #10 of 10
Thread Starter 
Thanks so much everyone!

I didn't go into huge detail explaining the method, since, well, the people who wrote the book already did that, and I'm not really looking for a different way of doing things, more just for the suggestions of community service I asked for. [By the way, I don't think doing 'community service' will feel negative to him, I think it will feel positive and healing. He's a sweet 5 year old who feels proud of himself when he makes amends, not an unrepentant teenager...but I'm sure it must be hard to be in that line of work and to have to struggle to get volunteers]. Thanks for the fabulous lists and the input!
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