Do you know of any completely unvaxed kids who get febrile seizures?

[xmasbaby7]

A close friend's fully vaccinated 2.5 year old son just had one after a period of weird "falling".

I looked it up and saw that the cause of the fever is generally a dramatic rise in temperature but the cause is not known.

Natural viruses do not usually come on strong and fevers grow more gradually, at in my experience. I do not believe there is a virus that could commonly create such a fever and seizure in an unvaccinated child.

I do believe this would be more likely with bacterial infections in unvaccinated and vaccinated children, as the nature of bacterial infections are that they can come on very strongly and rapidly.

I just see febrile seizures on this board usually in reference to a vaccine reactions, and I think it makes perfect sense that a vaccine can cause the fever mechanism to malfunction in the immune system, particularly when no other obvious viral symptoms are present.

I am new to febrile seizures. Anyone have any experience or thoughts on this?

Thanks!

[KimberlyD0]

my kids are Vaccinated, but they both had these types of seizures BEFORE they were vaccinated.

Where I am there are no vaccines till 2 monts, but DD#1 was 5 months old (I had no doctor and didn't know I could go to the health unit for the vaccines) when she got her first vaccine, 1 month with her first Febrile Seizure.

DD#2 was 2 weeks when she got her febrile seizue the first time, and was 3months for her first vaccine

Any fever can cause one to hit. When my kids get sick I always watch for them. Thankfully they're pretty harmless as far as seizures go. Just really scary.

[THANKFULFORFIVE]

wow! both your babies had seizures as newborns? I find that frightening.
My ds2 was my only child to ever have one, and of course, it was shortly after receiving the MMR. It was the scariest thing I've ever seen in my life to this day. He also broke out with the mealses like rash and then continued to have unexplained, extremely high fevers for years.
That being said...I do think it's possible to spike a fever quickly enough to induce a febrile seizure in nonvaxed babes also. Just haven't seen it myself.

[MadziesMom]

very interesting topic

I am interested to keep up to date with this thread, as I have a friend whose son has febrile seizures and I always thought his could be linked to his vax status. I wonder if there is a connection for some? Perhaps something present in the DNA that a vax triggers?? But is seems others are just born with it.. .Could it be environmental?? Very interesting topic...

Blessings
MadziesMom

[xmasbaby7]

Thanks Kimberly, for sharing. Does that mean Canada does not give the Heb B at birth?

Do some kids just seem more prone to them than most?

[lotusdebi]

My younger son had a febrile seizure when he was about 8 months old. He's completely unvaccinated. The ER doc put us through hell over that, though.

[ammiga]

I read that febrile seizures can happen after you give a fever-reducer to kids. Because they act to bring down the fever before the body is ready, when they start to wear off, the body brings the fever back to work on the infection more. This can case the fever to spike rapidly and induce a febrile seizure.

[Luckyinlife]

My totally unvax'd son had one @ around 2yrs old. I was sleeping in the bed with him, he was 'sleeping' and would startle about something and then wake up and talk to 'something' in front of him then had the seizure. His temp was 105.5 at the ER. He has never had another one and he is 6 now.

[Fyrestorm]

My friend's totally unvaxed son is prone to them...he does however have a rare genetic disorder so I don't know if you want to count him in or not.

[MyBoysBlue]

Originally Posted by xmasbaby7

Thanks Kimberly, for sharing. Does that mean Canada does not give the Heb B at birth?

Hep B is not on the schedule for most provinces until late elementary school years. It varies by province. The only time they give Hep B to newborns is if the child will be in a home with a Hep B infected person.

[Cristiaz]

Vaccines CAN cause siezures just as vaccines CAN cause autism. But vaccines are not the only toxins exposed to kids, of course. (though vaccinated mom's can pass the toxins to the baby while pregnant)

This world is toxic and it sucks. Toys, cribs, clothes, food, formula, cleaning supplies, the list goes on and on. Lets not forget the drugs they give mothers while pregnant and/or in labor.

Toxins within my control, I keep away from my DD. Thats all we can do.

[lotus.blossom]

My ds had a febrile seizure while sick with roseola. He'd had a low grade fever for a day or two and then he started feeling hotter and acting listless and then he had a seizure. It was because his fever spiked rapidly. It was explained to me that babies can't shivver and sweat when they have a fever so the body goes into a seizure.

This happened at 13 months (at that point he'd only been vaccinated for Dtap) and he is now 3 and has never had another one, thankfully.

[KimberlyD0]

Originally Posted by xmasbaby7

Thanks Kimberly, for sharing. Does that mean Canada does not give the Heb B at birth?

Do some kids just seem more prone to them than most?

I suspect there is a lot of genetics that play a part too. I used to get them and 2 of my brothers 4 get then, my sisters youngest got them, her oldest has epilepsy.


Heb B is not given untill 11-12 in Ontario (I believe, I'll have to re-look) I had to fight to prove DD#2 needed it because of her condition or it wouldn't have been paid by OHIP. I finally won when 5 differenct specialists all agreed her chance of needing a blood transfusion were just to high. She got it last week. 0 complications, not even a mild fever (from any of the ones she's had)

Originally Posted by MyBoysBlue

Hep B is not on the schedule for most provinces until late elementary school years. It varies by province. The only time they give Hep B to newborns is if the child will be in a home with a Hep B infected person.

Actually they will also give them if there is a high risk of needing sergery, like my second DD. Though you have to fight for it or pay out of pocket. Took us months to win.

Originally Posted by ammiga

I read that febrile seizures can happen after you give a fever-reducer to kids. Because they act to bring down the fever before the body is ready, when they start to wear off, the body brings the fever back to work on the infection more. This can case the fever to spike rapidly and induce a febrile seizure.

Actully its vital for children prone to these seizures to have their temp closely monitored and controled in some way. Its the rapid temp change that causes the seizures, if controled the fever wont trigger the seizures. Tylonal and Motrin are ALWAYS in stalk in our home to prevent them. We'll try other means first, if that doesn't help then they get tylonal. Simple fever from teething can cause them to hit.

[Sihaya]

My completely unvaxed son was a little over a year when he had a febrile seizure. Up to that point, we NEVER gave him fever reducers. Now we give them every time he hits 100 so his fevers don't get high enough to cause another seizure.

I have heard that febrile seizures are genetic and that, in families with a genetic predisposition, megadosing on vit B6 while pregnant can cause babies to have febrile seizures. I'm sure there are plenty of other toxins that cause febrile seizures when mom and/or baby is exposed to them, too.

[blueridgewoman]

My daughter had one at 19 months. She's unvaccinated and was unmedicated at the time. I'd put her down for a nap and her fever had been 101 then, but when we got to the ER it was 105.

She tends to spike high fevers when sick but is sick for less time... We do give her pain relievers now- she stopped breathing and turned blue with her seizure and I had to give her mouth to mouth. NEVER going through that again.

[ammiga]

Originally Posted by KimberlyD0

Actully its vital for children prone to these seizures to have their temp closely monitored and controled in some way. Its the rapid temp change that causes the seizures, if controled the fever wont trigger the seizures. Tylonal and Motrin are ALWAYS in stalk in our home to prevent them. We'll try other means first, if that doesn't help then they get tylonal. Simple fever from teething can cause them to hit.

I wasn't saying that they are the sole cause of seizures or that they shouldn't be used if you think they are medically required for your situation. I was just giving an example of how they can cause febrile seizures that have nothing to do with vaccines, which seemed to be the OP's question.

[SunshineJ]

No history of them in our family. Within 1-2 days of getting one of the vex's DD's temp spiked to 103 and she had her first seizure at 18 months. Of course it couldn't possibly be from the vax, and she'd outgrow them by 3 yrs old or so. Uh-huh, she turned 5 last summer and still gets them if her fever jumps too fast.

[KimberlyD0]

Originally Posted by ammiga

I wasn't saying that they are the sole cause of seizures or that they shouldn't be used if you think they are medically required for your situation. I was just giving an example of how they can cause febrile seizures that have nothing to do with vaccines, which seemed to be the OP's question.

But by using them you reduse the chance of it happening since the fever doesn't jump like it does without the meds. If it raises its slower and more controled and less likly to cause a seizure.

[FernG]

Originally Posted by KimberlyD0

But by using them you reduse the chance of it happening since the fever doesn't jump like it does without the meds. If it raises its slower and more controled and less likly to cause a seizure.

If you overlap doses of Tylenol and Motrin you can keep the fever lower and prevent a spike in temp. However, if you use Tylenol alone, you are more likely to get a rapid spike. Tylenol generally lowers fever more effectively but wears off rapidly, causing a spike in temp and increasing the likelihood of febrile seizures.

[rendapech]

My unvax daugther had a simple febrile seizure at 13 months, we were both sick at the time and her temp just rised too quickly and having also fever I was not alert enough to stay on top of it. She is 3 now and never had another one. When I was a little over a year I had a complex febrile seizure (lasted about an hour), this happened 11 days after measles vaccination. This was my only seizure in my life. I believe there is some connection, some people are probably more prone to having seizures.