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post #61 of 98
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Originally Posted by daddyofthree View Post
I will disagree on not upping the suppliments. If he is getting the supps from a SNS that keeps him at the boob longer which helps to totally empty you better and that is what you need. The more often you are emptied the better off you are. That is what makes your body make more milk.
well, it doesn't exactly work that way... but this thread is not the place for that debate. feel free to PM me.

And since he LOOKS good, I'd keep things the way they are. Especially since your "mommy" sense has been telling you he's ok anyway.
post #62 of 98
I am another to say to keep supplementing, and increase the supplementation. This is the time of the most brain growth. Not enough food = not enough brain growth. I am all for breastfeeding, and doing your best to increase your supply, but not at the expense of your baby not gaining well. This little amount of weight gain at over 3m is just not a safe thing for baby.
post #63 of 98
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Originally Posted by mommy2maya View Post
I am another to say to keep supplementing, and increase the supplementation. This is the time of the most brain growth. Not enough food = not enough brain growth. I am all for breastfeeding, and doing your best to increase your supply, but not at the expense of your baby not gaining well. This little amount of weight gain at over 3m is just not a safe thing for baby.
exactly!!

And no I won't debate it. I have lived this nightmare, I have dealt with it and had the many many problems that this mama is having. This baby needs to have the calories to grow, not take less and hope for the best. This mama is doing her very best and needs support, not debates. My wife has gone from getting 1 ounce of milk from each pumping to getting 5 and more each pumping by doing exactly as this midwife is telling this mama to do. It can happen and right now she needs to listen to the advice of her midwife and up that supplimentation, get her supply up and keep up the great work!
post #64 of 98
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Originally Posted by daddyofthree View Post
exactly!!

And no I won't debate it. I have lived this nightmare, I have dealt with it and had the many many problems that this mama is having. This baby needs to have the calories to grow, not take less and hope for the best. This mama is doing her very best and needs support, not debates. My wife has gone from getting 1 ounce of milk from each pumping to getting 5 and more each pumping by doing exactly as this midwife is telling this mama to do. It can happen and right now she needs to listen to the advice of her midwife and up that supplimentation, get her supply up and keep up the great work!
Exactly! I think telling this mom it is ok to not supplement is setting up failure.

If this baby was nb, maybe two weeks old, and not up to birthweight yet, it might be a different story, but we are talking a 4 month old baby. That is NOT normal. Especially when weight gain is adequate to exceptional when on supplemental feeds. There are women who can't make a full supply of milk. Trying your best is all you can do. Having a baby who is FTT because you can't give up the notion that breastfeeding only is the only way to go is selfish and detrimental at best for the baby.
post #65 of 98
I don't think anyone is telling this mama to stop all supplementation, just to possibly not increase the supplement to beyond 30 oz. a day, which btw, is a lot. Many of us have lived the nightmare of low supply, and I can tell you from experience that once I upped the supplement in an SNS, my DD who already had a lazy suck, just got lazier as she waited for the liquid in the tube to drip into her mouth. My already low supply dropped more at this point. All of us have unique babies and unique nursing experiences and I want to encourage this mama to follow her instincts and to not let other people scare her into supplementing (more) if that isn't what she believes is the right thing to do.
post #66 of 98
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I have greatly enjoyed the support all of you have provided me, and to be honest, if I wasn't absolutely convinced that "breast is best" I probably would have changed to bottles already . However I (personally for us) feel that breast is best, so with all your support and the support of those I keep close we have been working at it for 6 weeks now. Well tonight I got him to take 7 oz from the sns!!! And the last time I pumped (just got done) I got 2.5 oz!! Which for this time of the night is awesome for me. So I think that I will take into consideration what the midwife said, but also to make things easier for myself and my 4 other kids I am going to "tweak" it a little. I am going to nurse every 2 hours (drop the pumping except when needed) pumping before for at least 7-10 minutes to empty them, put it with formula into the SNS and see how long I can get him to nurse. To see if that stimulates my boobs a little faster and then he will be getting a little more supplementing at each feeding than what my midwife requested.

PatioGardener- I am questioning her scale too since he looks like he is heavier than that. I would love to rent one, I just have no clue where to start honestly.

daddyofthree- I misunderstood your post earlier, but after reading the newer ones I understand it now. However I would like to let you know that his circumference of his head has never been of concern, its just his weight. His head has continued to grow just fine. He has hit all the milestones (discovering hands, rolling over, smiling, laughing and is starting to show interest in his feet) so that is not too big of a concern for me at the moment. But I do understand where you were coming from with that concern, and appreciate your thoughtfulness
post #67 of 98
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Update 10-20

So I added more supplement to our routine and in the last 23 hours he has taken 24.5 oz of supplement from that and going by what I am pumping I added it all up and figured that he got roughly 39.5 oz of supplement and breastmilk combined!!! I sure hope it works, otherwise I might have to cry again.
post #68 of 98
Well it sounds like he is getting lots to eat. I think your plan is a great one for you and your little one.
Keep in mind you have to find what works for you and your family while still pleasing your health care professionals and getting your little guy to grow the best he can.

I want to clarify that I was not trying to sound like he was not growing or that his brain was being deprived, I just wanted it to be known that while breastfeeding will always be what my wife and I feel is the very best for all children, there are times when you have to let go of that for the sake of the health of the child. Their health will always be what comes first in our book.

Keep us posted and let us know what his next weight check tells you.
post #69 of 98
I think you could rent a good scale from a pharmacy supply place. Or maybe from the same place that rents hospital grade breast pumps. Or maybe even public health.

Great to hear the SNS is working for you!

We're rooting for you guys
post #70 of 98
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Originally Posted by daddyofthree View Post
Well it sounds like he is getting lots to eat. I think your plan is a great one for you and your little one.
Keep in mind you have to find what works for you and your family while still pleasing your health care professionals and getting your little guy to grow the best he can.

I want to clarify that I was not trying to sound like he was not growing or that his brain was being deprived, I just wanted it to be known that while breastfeeding will always be what my wife and I feel is the very best for all children, there are times when you have to let go of that for the sake of the health of the child. Their health will always be what comes first in our book.

Keep us posted and let us know what his next weight check tells you.
Tomorrow at 1:15!! Will update you asap after it
post #71 of 98
Thread Starter 

Update after Ped (10-21)

So the final weigh in today was 11 lbs 4 oz!!!!! My ped has decided that instead of weekly appt, we can space it out to bi-weekly now. He also grew an inch in length and .5 cm in head (all since last wed). so according to their charts he gained 1 lb 4 oz, 1 inch, and .5 cm. This was an amazing appt today!!! Will continue to keep you updated, thank you worlds for all your support!
post #72 of 98
Congratulations momma

So that was a 20 oz gain in how many days?
post #73 of 98
That is great gain in a week, and it actually sounds like he was doing a bit of catchup gaining! I would continue to supplement the same as you are now!
post #74 of 98
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Originally Posted by Blessed_Mom View Post
Congratulations momma

So that was a 20 oz gain in how many days?
That was since last wednesday. So almost 3 oz a day average.
post #75 of 98
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Originally Posted by mamalink4 View Post
That was since last wednesday. So almost 3 oz a day average.
Woah! Holy weight gain, Batman!

Now that makes much more sense than the midwife's scale!

I bet once baby catches up a bit you'll be able to decrease the supplements and shift back to a regular gain of ~1 oz a day.

Well done, Mama! You must be feeling pretty good!
post #76 of 98
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Originally Posted by PatioGardener View Post
Woah! Holy weight gain, Batman!

Now that makes much more sense than the midwife's scale!

I bet once baby catches up a bit you'll be able to decrease the supplements and shift back to a regular gain of ~1 oz a day.

Well done, Mama! You must be feeling pretty good!
The ped says that once he gets between the 10th and 25th percentile we will start the decrease of supplement! He also said that if he continues this way that could be at the next appt in two weeks On a positive note, a very good friend of mine had a baby 6 weeks after me and still has a problem with oversupply (10 oz in one pumping) and has generously offered me her milk. Says that since she stays at home with her little one they never need it for anything, and doesn't want it going to waste and would love to see Forrest using it instead. So she is bringing me 20 oz tonight!! I know her milk must be good since her little girl gained 5 lbs in the last two months, so here we embark on the next leg of our journey.
post #77 of 98
Mama that sounds like an amazing appt. i am so glad to see that things are turning around for you. Isn't a wonderful high when you have great appts like today!
Keep us posted and keep up the great work
post #78 of 98
Thread Starter 
So today has been good supplementing has been minimal and he is still getting full! I have a friend that brought me 28 oz of milk for forrest last night and he likes it and is willing to take it for me! Can not wait for the next weight check!
post #79 of 98
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Update 10-28

Ok so been a while since I have updated so here is the newest news. We had an appt with the midwife yesterday and her scale said that he was 10# 14 oz, which according to my math shows that he LOST 9 oz, I thought it was wrong. She also lectured me (again) about how my ped would probably be more concerned with his weight than she was. She went on and on for about 30 minutes about what could happen if they take him away and how it would ruin our bf'ing relationship and all that. I am not sure why she kept telling me this stuff, my ped has already told me that is not a concern of his. Well my oldest two had their physicals scheduled for this morning, so I also threw Forrest up on the scale to put my mind at ease and it said 11# 4.5 oz. So according to that scale he has only dropped 2.5 oz since last friday. So yet again the midwife's scale is off and she still won't admit that there may be an error. (weighed naked both times). So since there is such discrepency my dh and I have decided to just stick with our ped for now. Oh yea, Forrest has been sick for a few days and we all think that's why he has lost that little weight. The ped doesn't seemed concerned by it and told me what symptoms I should really be on the look out for. Forrest has weaned out all the supplements now and is nursing every 1.5 to 2 hours (day and night). He also still has at least 2-4 poopy diapers a day and more wet ones. He can also whip out crocodile tears at the drop of a hat so I know he is plenty hydrated and nourished.
post #80 of 98
so you are straight nursing now?! no sns?!! no supplements??!!! congrats!!!
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