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Trying to get over my breastfeeding failure...

post #1 of 13
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Hello all. I am new to the site and have been lurking for a few days. So far I am loving it!

What brought me here was BF'ing info. The issue is that I failed at BF'ing my son, and I pretty much feel like a, well, failure. I don't know what exactly the problem was, or if it was a combination of a lot of stuff. My birth experience was not what I had planned (a natural hypnobabies birth) and I was quite traumatized. I have PCOS, which may have hurt my supply. I also have flat nipples and I believe DS was tongue-tied and is was not diagnosed/corrected. Any support or suggestions would be appreciated.

This is my first baby, and I had a planned pregnancy with the help of fertility treatment. At 24 weeks I was diagnosed with gestational diabetes that was initially treated with diet alone, but at 30 weeks had to be treated with the addition of Glyburide. At 26 weeks I began having BP issues, but no other signs of pre-e. My BP continued to rise and I was placed on Aldomet. At 30 weeks I was taken off of work due to very high BP. I had serious swelling issues, but my urine if office was clean. At 32 weeks I had a 24 hour urine that showed high protein. This was repeated 2x a week, and it showed it remained stable and didn't go any higher. I was getting a u/s every week that showed the baby was great and that he was avg/above avg in size. Then at 38 weeks I went to an appt at the GD specialist and my protein was sky high, BP was sky high, and LFT's and kidney function were seriously out of whack. I was told I would have to be induced. I told the doc that I would call my midwife and head to the hospital I would deliver at, and they told me to wait while they made a few calls. They came back in and informed me that my midwife couldn't deliver, because my OB (who she works for) was suspended and lost his privileges. Uh, what?

So, I ended up being admitted to a hospital I hadn't planned to deliver at and had residents and staff doctors. They used Cytotec to soften my cervix and I went into labor with just that. Then, they added Pitocin and my contractions stopped. When they stopped the Pit I went into active labor on my own again. DS's heartrate kept dropping very low and wasn't bouncing back well, and I had some overlapping contax. They gave me Brethine to stop them, but that stopped labor all together and they had to give Pit again to start it. His heart rate was again dangerously low, so they broke my water to put a monitor on his head to see if it was actually dropping or if the monitor was just losing it. Turns out, his heart rate really was dropping.

So, 16 hours in I conceded to a walking epidural. I didn't want one. I didn't think I needed one pain wise. But, I was afraid we were heading for an emergency c-section and the doctor on call then (who I really did like and had her own babies natural) explained that I would be put under if I didn't have the epi in place. Lo and behold, I quit dilating after the epi. For the next five hours, I didn't dilate at all (I was at 5). Then shift change happened and I got another doctor. She walked in, did a quick exam, and told me they were going to do a c-section. I told her no we weren't LOL. She said that I wasn't dilating. I told her I would like to be wait and see. Then she told me that my pelvis was small and even if I dilated I wouldn't be able to push him out because with my GD he would be big. I told her I would cross that bridge later. She said I had 1 hour to see what happens and they would section me.

By then, my epi was pretty much wore off. I started feeling the pain very strong and more pressure. I asked my nurse to check me and I had went from 5 to 7 or 7.5 in 30 minutes. Very soon after that I asked to be checked again, and had went from 7 to 9.5 in 20 minutes and was allowed to push. The doc that suggested the section did not come back in, but instead a midwife (who was also a nun) came in and delivered.

My son was 19.5 inches, but only 5 lbs 12 ounces. The stress of my high BP apparently didn't let him put weight on Anyway, I started him at the breast right away. However the latch was very painful. At first I attributed this to my nipples, but then one of the LC said it was his latch. He would not put his tongue out and was only getting the tip. I continued to try my best, putting him on the breast every 2 hours around the clock. He lost about 10% of his weight (a little more) in two days. He continued to only get the breast.

I met with six LC through the hospital (it was a UNICEF hospital known for promoting BFing) and one private LC. None could get his latch straightened out. At 3 days we began supplementing after nursing. We used a syringe to feed him. I also pumped in between feedings to try to build up supply. I asked our home visit nurse and LC if he was tongue tied, and they said no.

I never engorged and with pumping was barely getting anything. DS would scream on the breast and even with sucking there was no swallow. I would get in the shower and massage my breasts and had no milk leaking. At two weeks we finally switched to formula fully. His wets/dirties increased into the normal range finally.

I guess I just feel like there must be an answer somewhere as to what the issue was. Or was it just me? Did I give up too soon? I always thought people who said they didn't have enough milk were full of BS. Now I wonder.
post #2 of 13
Please don't blame yourself. Sounds like your labour and pregnancy were really hard. I had horrible breastfeeding problems and I had an intervention free homebirth. I also had/have flat nipples and my baby just wasn't transferring milk. She was losing weight (about 15% before we supplemented) and was one of those scary happy to starve babies. I had no engorgement ever and we had to start supplementing with a sns at 5 days due to weight loss/ and the lack of wet/dirty diapers.

I saw a great LC, I had all the help and support in the world and it didn't work. I have never ever tried so hard at something that I eventually failed at. Baby stopped latching totally even with the sns at about 1 month and I continued to pump for 3 months. My all time record for daily output was 8oz. If it were to happen again, I would ditch the pumping sooner and spend more time loving my newborn instead of stressing over how she was being fed.

It sucks. It really does. But it sounds like you did all you could under the circumstances. Take time to mourn that relationship. Love your baby, hold your baby close when feeding and you will have just as much as a bond as any breastfeeding mother. People who say that all mothers can breastfeed are ill informed. Now i know this. Hang it there! It's tough.
post #3 of 13
Thread Starter 
Thank you so much for the support. I think what really hurt was that DS had a lot of gas issues from the first formula he was on. We took him to the pedi and he was out of the office, so we saw his associate. The doc said, "He wouldn't have belly problems if you would have breastfed him." I almost died. This man had no idea what I had been through and how much I had already agonized over not BF'ing. That comment still brings tears to my eyes!
post #4 of 13
That was really wrong of the doctor. He should have never said that. Even breastfed babies have tummy problems. I'm sorry you had to hear that.

I also failed at breastfeeding for a multitude of reasons. I felt really bad at first and still sometimes find myself going over everything and wondering what I could have done differently and it's been 3 months. He wasn't producing enough wet diapers, they were only damp and he just did not do well latching on in the beginning as well. I also question people when they say that low milk supply is not real. I think it really does exist.

As for birth, I had an epi at my sons birth and even if I hadn't had one he would have been sleepy because he was born with a bruise on his head from wanting to keep his hand along his face on the way out. Part of the reason I agreed to an epi was because my blood pressure was going high and the nurses were all worried and I know they lower it.

But, despite that, I know my son is getting fed and growing! We're both happy too and have bonded really well. As for tummy problems, have you tried Colic tabs by Hyland or Gripe water? That worked really well for us in the beginning. My son had tummy problems in the beginning and they have since gone away.

Don't blame yourself, sometimes life just works out that way and what really matters is that your son is getting the nutrients he needs still. I highly doubt your child will look back one day and get mad at you for not breastfeeding them. You did what you could and that's what matters.
post #5 of 13
Thread Starter 
Yes, we use Gripe Water. I swear by that stuff. He doesn't seem to have too many tummy issues now, but at first the Gripe Water was a life saver for us!

I'm glad to hear I'm not the only one who has had BF'ing issues. When you have always planned to BF, it can be quite shocking for it to not work out.
post #6 of 13

Me too

I just wanted to let you know that you are not alone. I am so thankful that I found this group within MDC last night, I have also been feeling like such a failure. I also struggle with low supply/flat nipple issues. I used to think the same thing re: supply, now I know better. It has been a hard lesson on judgment for me. Very, very hard.

Hold that baby close, look into his eyes, cherish him for the miracle that he is, and forgive yourself. He will thrive because of that love. You have done nothing wrong.
post #7 of 13
Add me to the list.

Breastfeeding didn't work out for us, but I am NOT a failure as a mother. I can say that now, when my baby is 15mo, eating all kinds of solid food, and clearly thriving. I certainly did not feel that way when she was only a couple of months old.

I have the horror birth story too. I had elevated BP while I was pregnant, but I kept it stable by quitting work and resting lots. Then when I was 38 weeks a doctor I had seen for the first time (it was a group clinic) freaked out and talked me into induction. I went into the hospital on a Thursday morning, they tried every intervention under the sun during 54 hours of torture, and my DD was finally born by C-section Saturday evening.

I am pretty sure she latched and fed while I was in recovery, but I don't remember much (I hate that so bad). I was transferred to my room by about 8pm that night, and then after an hour they made my mom and DF leave. I had been awake for three days, had a cathetor, BP montior, IV, and inflator things on my legs to prevent clots, and was left alone with my newborn. I refused to allow the nurses to take my baby to the nursery because I didn't want to be away from her, and I didn't even know where the nursery was (the hospital didn't allow pre-tours, and I was wheeled into the unit on a gourney so they could have been telling me they were taking her to China for all I knew). I am quite sure I nursed her at least once more, but again I don't remember.

Around 2 or 3am the night nurse came in and convinced me that I hadn't fed my baby. She wanted to take her away to the nursery (again I said no) and do a blood draw for a glucose test. I refused that too. She got quite belligerent about this and started to push formula. I refuse.

So with the nurse coming in constantly, I stayed up all night trying to convince my not-hungry baby to nurse. What we both needed was rest, but instead I was alone, strapped to a bed, and stressed beyond belief.

Finally at around 7:30am I allowed them to give her formula. That was the end.

She completely refused the breast after that. Completely. While still in hospital I had to ask to see an LC about six times before it happened. She gave me more advice about formula than anything else, and wasn't successful in getting my kid to latch.

On our way home we stopped at a drug store and I cried as we purchased formula and I rented a breast pump.

Unfortunately my DD was (and still is) a really stubborn little girl. It got to the point that if I just took off my shirt she would start screaming and arching her back away from me. She was having none of it. I could get all kinds of advice about *fixing* her latch, but nobody knew what to do when she refused to latch at all.

I continued to pump, and topped her up with formula. After several weeks I had to quit pumping because it was ruining my mental health. I would spend the time I was pumping, 20 minutes every two to three hours, sitting there and dwelling on what I failure I was. It was not good. I finally decided that my baby was better off with 100% formula and an emotionally healthy mom, than she would be with 50% BM and a mom who was a wreck.

The guilt has gotten better since she has gotten older, and I don't feel like such a failure any more. I do have a long of anger about the circumstances surrounding our troubles though, but I am comfortable with the fact that I did what I was capable of doing at the time. And I look forward to a future home birth VBAC and breastfeeding relationship with my next child.
post #8 of 13
I've been going through a similar situation. I had a breast reduction in 1997. My surgeon told me I'd still be able to BF, so I was surprised and devastated when we discovered that my 5-day-old (he's now 7 wks) had gone from his birth weight of 8 lbs 3 oz to 7 lbs because he wasn't getting enough milk from me. Only then did I learn that most women who get reductions have a lot of difficulty BFing. I went through all the stages of grief and felt awash in sorrow and guilt so many times for having had that surgery. I spent many valuable hours, when I could have been snuggling with my DS, fighting with the pump and Lact-Aid, popping pills, on the phone with my LC and online looking for answers. I never got more than than an ounce or an ounce and a half from pumping. This week I decided to ditch the pump, the LA, the feeding log and the drugs, keep the herbs, and give him as much as I can at every feeding before he takes the bottle. So far I feel a hell of a lot better. "Breast is best" is true, but the fact that it's become a mantra that everyone hits you over the head with again and again can feel really painful if BFing is all you ever wanted to do and you feel forced to give formula. For what it's worth, just try and be thankful that you have a wonderful, healthy baby. The most important thing is for you to love your little one and keep the vibes positive. You're doing the very best you can and that's what matters.
BTW, what formula did you switch to, and did it help? My son has constipation, intestinal gas and possibly reflux. I just switched to Good Start and am waiting to see if that will help...
post #9 of 13
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GoodStart was horrible for DS. He cried, had horrible gas, and had really rank poops. We ended up on Gentlease, but we use the Sams Club generic for it. Now he is doing fantastic! He does have reflux though, but we use a small dose of Zantac and make sure we keep him upright after feeding (when feasible).
post #10 of 13
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Originally Posted by sam1980 View Post
GoodStart was horrible for DS. He cried, had horrible gas, and had really rank poops. We ended up on Gentlease, but we use the Sams Club generic for it. Now he is doing fantastic! He does have reflux though, but we use a small dose of Zantac and make sure we keep him upright after feeding (when feasible).
Similac Sensitive is the only formula my son can take. Even with Gentlease he was spitting up a ton. He doesn't do that with the other. The Similac site gives out coupons. Have you tried that? But if he's doing great on Sams Club generic I wouldn't switch again.
post #11 of 13
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Originally Posted by just_lily View Post
Breastfeeding didn't work out for us, but I am NOT a failure as a mother.
This really stood out to me, all these mothers saying they are failures because breastfeeding didn't work for whatever reason, this is so untrue you are all kind conscious and caring parents, sometimes without the correct support and information it isn't easy - I know without the support that I had with our dd I would never have made it work - please do not give yourselves a hard time for one thing that you didn't manage - think of all the things that you do do and that you will do for your children. I am a big breastfeeding fan, I will help and give support to whomever contacts me, and still there are some people we don't reach for whatever reason - it saddens me, but MDC is a wealth of information and you know you may succeed with the second or even the third time - the women that started LLL were women who didn't manage to nurse their first or second child they struggled too, and still look what they have done.
post #12 of 13
Nursing didn't work out for me, either, and by all accounts I had the picture perfect pregnancy and birth, so finding out that my *big* boobs "have only a few small milk glands" after my DD dropped almost 2 pounds 2 weeks after birth, then I spent almost $1000 on LCs and herbs and meds, was pretty shocking. I had to wean her totally for my sanity at 5 months, and now we are at 8 months and all the guilt and failure feelings are finally lifting away, as I see her develop into the healthiest, calmest, smartest, most beautiful and attached baby.
Some things that really helped my guilt were receiving some donated breastmilk and making the WAP homemade formula-it helped me feel like I was still 'in charge' of what I fed my baby, and I think it showed anyone who would make a snap judgment about me for formula feeding that I was still 'doing everything I could.' (These were the things I kept getting hung up on as I tried to 'move on' and enjoy my baby-seeing her have belly problems with store-bought formula, and the judgment from others.) Also I make sure to keep following the rest of the AP philosophy-it can be easy to "slack off" when bottle-feeding, because baby doesn't have to be so close to you anymore...
post #13 of 13
I had the picture-perfect, intervention-free birth as well as an extremely helpful, pro-bf hospital and I still ended up struggling with supply issues. I'm still mostly BFing but I am way, way, over the $1000 mark and I don't really care to think about what the actual figure is.

BF is just very hard to get going. There are a lot of moms in this situation, and a lot of us crying as we feed our babies through bottles and tubes. Try not to get too caught up in it because it is totally true that the baby needs love and attention far far more than she needs BM.

Formula-fed babies with loving households turn into perfectly fine adult human beings; but a baby who doesn't have all the love and caring that every baby deserves will have a LOT of trouble later in life, regardless of what he eats in the early days.

I know this takes a long, long time to process. It is not something you just 'get over,' although I don't know if anyone who has not been there can understand that.

If you are still looking for answers about what happened in your case, I recommend the book 'The Breastfeeding Mother's Guide to Making More Milk,' by Diane West and Lisa Marasco. It goes into the causes of low supply very thoroughly, both from the baby's and the mother's side. It's a good read and will give you a lot to think about should you ever want to try BF again.

Btw the no-engorgement is a little suspicious but I think it is not usual to get more than a few ml from pumping in the first few days and weeks - even for women who have a lot of milk, and who will later be able to pump tons. Just something about the early days. Same token, not everyone leaks milk - even people who have lots. I read that it is more about smooth muscle tone in the milk ducts than about supply. PCOS can be a cause of low supply but not everyone with PCOS has low supply. But if your little guy didn't ever latch right, that is probably the smoking gun and I am not sure you need to think that there was anything wrong with your side of the equation.
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