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post #21 of 96
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Originally Posted by philomom View Post
This Monday morning I just sat down with a large group (30)of parents of teens at my child's school. In Oregon, lots of these parents themselves grew up in "herb friendly" households. All of them agreed that once you bend the law for pot... it is very easy not go the speed limit.. ignore the underage drinking laws and other little annoying laws. Because you can. Because you get into the habit of thinking laws don't apply to you or the law is dumb. That's an attitude I won't tolerate my children having while they live under my roof.
Um, I don't think it's pot that causes people to speed, drink underage, break little laws like that. I think it's society that causes it. Here people speed whether they have smoked pot or not. Drinking underage? Heck it's even legal if your parents give you the alcohol and your in your home. I also know that people tend to give that one a try at least once whether they have smoked pot or not. And you know, even though it's technically illegal most people don't even realize it is just because of the way the law enforcment officers treat it. So breaking the pot law doesn't get equated with being able to break any other laws.

And yeah, smoking, speeding and drinking tend to come before weed not after.
post #22 of 96
I'm really getting annoyed and upset at all the pro-pot posts here at MDC.

Pot is illegal and has no place in MY life or my children's lives.

You can rationalize for your family all you want.
post #23 of 96
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Originally Posted by philomom View Post
I'm really getting annoyed and upset at all the pro-pot posts here at MDC.

Pot is illegal and has no place in MY life or my children's lives.

You can rationalize for your family all you want.
You can dislike it all you want. But please don't use discredited theories to justify it. There are decent enough ligitimate reasons to not approve of pot that you don't really need to tout the "reefer madness" bull.

I get fed up with all of that.
post #24 of 96
Not to mention that not all the posters here come from places where smoking marijuana is punishable by jail time. And you're assuming that anyone who ever smokes it is doing so because it's totally like cocaine, or something. Or that it has proven medicinal uses for people - oh, I don't know... like me! - who suffer with life-long and severe chronic pain could easily get a license to grow a plant, but wouldn't really need to due to the fact that it's decriminalized where I live and no one cares. And literally everyone I know, am related to or work for (or was taught by) smokes a joint as they would have a glass of wine.

...And strangely enough we usually don't have a huge crime problem.
post #25 of 96
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Originally Posted by philomom View Post
Pot is a big deal. Once you break the law by smoking pot... you may get on a slippery slope of doing other illegal activities. Because once you break one little law and don't get caught.. why not break another? Laws exist to protect all of us from harm.

P.S. I've recently become a Master Gardener.... pot is in our book of poisonous plants.
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Originally Posted by philomom View Post
This Monday morning I just sat down with a large group (30)of parents of teens at my child's school. In Oregon, lots of these parents themselves grew up in "herb friendly" households. All of them agreed that once you bend the law for pot... it is very easy not go the speed limit.. ignore the underage drinking laws and other little annoying laws. Because you can. Because you get into the habit of thinking laws don't apply to you or the law is dumb. That's an attitude I won't tolerate my children having while they live under my roof.
OMG I couldn't get past this 2nd post of yours. Not only do I completely disagree with your first post.. but I think the second borders on rediculous. Smoking pot is going to make you speed now?? I wonder why my husbands excuse is. He has never touched herb in his life. I can't even get him to take tylonal. But I am pretty sure he speeds because he doesnt like to drive slow. Not becuase it's "breaking the law" or becuase he thinks it's easier having smoked pot in the past and not got caught. But becuase some laws are just plane stupid and I think people using common sense is more important than following the letter of the law.

That said... for once.. I agree with Dar. I don't think pot is that big of a deal. It is not poisonous, (I have eaten it and am still here to talk about it!!) I think the mom went WAY WAY overboard and is just going to drive her daughter further away from her. I know in my case I started smoking because 1. I was always being accused of it so I figured if I was going to get in trouble for it I might as well be doing it. and 2. To escape from my crappy home life.
post #26 of 96
Maybe she means it's poisonous in the sense that it's a weed and will take over a garden if left unchecked? It can be as aggressive as any other weed...
post #27 of 96
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Originally Posted by philomom View Post
I'm really getting annoyed and upset at all the pro-pot posts here at MDC.

Pot is illegal and has no place in MY life or my children's lives.

You can rationalize for your family all you want.
I am sorry it annoys you so. Just because it has no place in your life (your children might be another story when they get to be teens, you can't control their every move no matter what you think or wish.) does not mean that it is this great big evil that people try to make it out to be.

Laws don't always make sense. Pot for instance is much safer than alcohol in my opinion. It is not nearly as addictive and does less damage to your body, however it is illegal and alcohol is not. You really need to look at the history of how big cooperations shape the laws of this country, NOT SAFETY.
post #28 of 96
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Maybe she means it's poisonous in the sense that it's a weed and will take over a garden if left unchecked? It can be as aggressive as any other weed...
I dunno.. every time my BF's parents tride to grow it, it vanished just as it was time to harvest. :P I have never seen anyone have a problem with it taking over. :P

However tomato plants are poisons as well. We still grow and eat them.
post #29 of 96
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Originally Posted by aniT View Post
Pot for instance is much safer than alcohol in my opinion. It is not nearly as addictive and does less damage to your body, however it is illegal and alcohol is not. You really need to look at the history of how big cooperations shape the laws of this country, NOT SAFETY.
It isn't just your opinion: that's a fact. The prohibition of marijuana is deeply rooted in racism against Mexican people rather than health problems... the Reefer Madness stuff followed some time later. There's a lot of really fascinating and weird history out there about why it's illegal.
post #30 of 96
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Originally Posted by littleteapot View Post
It isn't just your opinion: that's a fact. The prohibition of marijuana is deeply rooted in racism against Mexican people rather than health problems... the Reefer Madness stuff followed some time later. There's a lot of really fascinating and weird history out there about why it's illegal.
Yes well, since I didn't feel like searching for links to back it up, I said in my opinion. :P
post #31 of 96
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Yes well, since I didn't feel like searching for links to back it up, I said in my opinion. :P
LOL, don't fret - I was backing you up!
post #32 of 96
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Originally Posted by littleteapot View Post
It isn't just your opinion: that's a fact. The prohibition of marijuana is deeply rooted in racism against Mexican people rather than health problems... the Reefer Madness stuff followed some time later. There's a lot of really fascinating and weird history out there about why it's illegal.
I did some research on it when I was in the midst of a paper about the effects of cocaine on fetuses for a class (the other drugs studies came up, too)... granted this was 10 years ago, but there was shockingly little evidence that it was a harmful substance. SHOCKINGLY little, considering how it's illegal.

There's some decent documentaries out there on the politics and history behind weed if anyone's interested.
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post #34 of 96
Um, on the dangers of pot link. You might want to consider finding a different site. The USs government doens't have much credibility when it comes to mj. Just saying. They have a history of messing with the facts and twisting the information.
post #35 of 96
Another dangers of pot.... not the government... if you have a hang up with the government....

http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/evidenc.../Health_1.html
post #36 of 96
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Originally Posted by Dar View Post
I'd have a long talk with her about the importance of being smart about where and with whom she smokes and point out all of the things that could go wrong if she gets arrested for drugs.
Same here.
post #37 of 96
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Originally Posted by philomom View Post
Another dangers of pot.... not the government... if you have a hang up with the government....

http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/evidenc.../Health_1.html

I am 100% sure that the medicinal value of marijuana is higher than any potential "medical danger".

and FWIW, Tylenol, caffeine, cough medicine and other drugs can be far more dangerous than pot. I would be shocked if a parent grounded their teen for 6 months because they drank a 6-pack of soda.
post #38 of 96
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Originally Posted by philomom View Post
Another dangers of pot.... not the government... if you have a hang up with the government....

http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/evidenc.../Health_1.html
Did you even read the site? It pretty much said nothing but "it has been suggested but not proven". And it's link sections were to user-created sites about reefer madness and "marijuana news". Peer reviewed research, please.
post #39 of 96
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Originally Posted by philomom View Post
Another dangers of pot.... not the government... if you have a hang up with the government....

http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/evidenc.../Health_1.html
Go so you have sources to discuss it with your children that won't leave them thinking back and saying "I can't believe my mom said that". I personally could care less, I've done my research and reached my own conclusion as have many other parents here and in the real world and decided differently then you.

As for legallity where I am. It's pretty much in limbo. Technically it is illegal but the constitutionality of the laws have been challenged a few times and the laws have been ruled unconstitutional.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabi...tion_in_Canada
post #40 of 96
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Originally Posted by MusicianDad View Post
As for legallity where I am. It's pretty much in limbo. Technically it is illegal but the constitutionality of the laws have been challenged a few times and the laws have been ruled unconstitutional.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabi...tion_in_Canada
I'm Canadian as well, West Coast. The finer points of the law are essentially you can grow a few plants, and posses (not in a school zone) but if you are clearly a dealer (massive amounts, 500+ plants, etc) then you could get fined. And selling to kids as a dealer is a no-no as well.
As a pain, cancer, etc patient you can receive a license to grow/possess from your doc but honestly it's not necessary.
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