Does rabies exist? - Page 2

[MyLilPwny]

Not on that particular article on ********* but there is another one that says how can you really be sure that the rabies deaths were actually rabies---what if it was tetanus? Here is that article http://www.*********/v/ruesch.html Like how people assumed that people died from polio before the vaccine was invented (and not DDT poisoning or what ever other cause) but then after the polio vaccine was invented of course according to them people still dying could not have died from polio, it must have been meningitis or something else as the cause of death.

Weston A. Price Foundation comments on this http://www.westonaprice.org/envtoxin...es_polio.html:

The injection of purée of diseased brain tissue into the brains of dogs was the method preferred by Louis Pasteur to establish virus causation with rabies, another CNS disease. A recent, definitive biography of Pasteur finds him to be a most important publicist for germ theory, a crucial promoter for the notion that rabies is caused by a virus. Unfortunately, his rabies experiments were biased and unsupported by independent studies.

Basically that article is saying that polio and rabies aren't caused by a virus out in wild nature---they only caused those disease when injected in a laboratory.

[serenbat]

Isn't rabies only given if you have been bitten by a rabid animal?

NO, In PA I know people that have take the vac PRIOR to being bit because of their job. They had to jump thru hoops to get the health dept to give it. Both have not had adverse reactions to it.

[lalaland42]

Yes rabies exists. HTH

[Otto]

Originally Posted by rayo de sol

(What's the "to" stand for?)

It's the country-code top-level domain for Tonga. Anonymity in domain registration is one of the selling points.

[jake&zaxmom]

Originally Posted by cravenab00

If myself or one of my children were bitten by a wild animal, i would get the gun, and kill it, and have it tested. and would have no guilt in doing so. no animal is more important than my babies. if it was found to be rabid, i would do the shots.

My mom was bitten by a cat a couple of years ago. It had attacked her completely unprovoked and when they found the owner they learned that he had found it as a stray a few years before and had never taken it to the vet. She asked her doctor about avoiding the vaccine by either keeping the cat quarantined and watching for symptoms or euthanizing and autopsy of the animal to determine whether it was infected. The doctor told her that they couldn't delay the vaccine long enough for the quarantine and that the rabies infection would only be evident in the cat's brain if the infection was advanced. Basically, it came down to the point that she had definitely been bitten by a cat with suspicious behaviour and she had to make a decision quickly because there was a small window of time in which to vaccinate. She did the vaccine. It wasn't in her stomach like I had always heard that it would be. It did hurt. It was multiple shots. SUPER expensive and the only place that did it was the local ER. She was obviously not a high priority in an emergency room so the wait was hours long for each shot. She didn't have any real side-effects other than pain at the injection site.

[momo7]

Ummm yes. Either that or the racoon that was in my barn and foaming at the mouth was possessed by the devil.

(Dh shot it....my vet came and took it off to K-State and it WAS confirmed rabbid.)

So yes...rabies is very real and very dangerous.

[alegna]

Originally Posted by jake&zaxmom

My mom was bitten by a cat a couple of years ago. It had attacked her completely unprovoked and when they found the owner they learned that he had found it as a stray a few years before and had never taken it to the vet. She asked her doctor about avoiding the vaccine by either keeping the cat quarantined and watching for symptoms or euthanizing and autopsy of the animal to determine whether it was infected. The doctor told her that they couldn't delay the vaccine long enough for the quarantine and that the rabies infection would only be evident in the cat's brain if the infection was advanced. Basically, it came down to the point that she had definitely been bitten by a cat with suspicious behaviour and she had to make a decision quickly because there was a small window of time in which to vaccinate. She did the vaccine. It wasn't in her stomach like I had always heard that it would be. It did hurt. It was multiple shots. SUPER expensive and the only place that did it was the local ER. She was obviously not a high priority in an emergency room so the wait was hours long for each shot. She didn't have any real side-effects other than pain at the injection site.

FWIW that's one of the cases it is unlikely I would vax. Domestic pets are unlikely carriers. Especially if it was still living as a pet, it's *incredibly* unlikely it was rabid. It being a stray years before has absolutely NO bearing- no way it could have had rabies for years.

-Angela

[Pepper44]

Rabies is very real. If you live in a rural area or even a semi-rural area you know it's real.

We have a reporting system here where all local vets are notified and it's announced on the news when rabid animals are found. Recently, in the past year, they have found quite a few rabid bats.

Dogs and cats can also catch rabies. My grandparents have had raccoons in their barn loft before that they've had to shoot because of erratic behavior and they have tested positive for rabies.

Just a couple months ago I was at the animal diagnostic center taking in one of my dead chickens for testing (to make sure I didn't have a disease in my flock) and a man was in there sobbing with the dead body of his dog. He had to shoot it because it ran off for a week then came home foaming at the mouth and acting crazy. He was bringing it in for testing to see if it had rabies. Here it is considered normal (and legal) to shoot any animal attacking your livestock as long as it's not a hawk because those are protected wildlife. It's also considered normal to shoot a dangerous/threatening/rabid animal...even if it's your own dog.

When I was a kid I was attacked by a stray cat. I was petting it, it was purring, then all of a sudden it ate my arm. I still have deep bite scars from my wrist up to my arm pit! Animal control had to take it away and euthanize it and test it for rabies, luckily it didn't have it. I had to get IV antibiotics for a major infection in my arm though. It was red and swollen for weeks.

I vaccinate my outdoor cat and my two dogs for rabies for two reasons. 1) Because I believe it's real, and we have raccoons and possums in our yard that could very well be rabid and bite one of my dogs when they are watching over my chickens. 2) For legal reasons, if one of my dogs or my cat bites someone I will be able to say they are vaccinated for rabies and we won't have the whole issue to go through of quarantine or kill.

My DD is not vaccinated and I feel strongly that vaccines are not the answer, but in the case of rabies (if she were bitten by a rabid animal) I would do it considering it's the only possible way to save her life. Obviously in that case the risks of the vaccine wouldn't even matter considering the other option is death!

[Bea]

I'll tell the patient I cared for in 2002, who died of rabies, that it was all in his head.

[taylor]

I'm an employee at my county animal control. I handle potentional rabid animals on a daily basis. I do not vaccinate my children, however, I did opt to have the rabies series as I'm exposed to rabies on a daily basis. Rabies is very real, and very serious.

[KimberlyD0]

Originally Posted by Marnica

could you provide a reference for this claim?? Id be interested in learning more about this

It was on either Dr.Phil or the Doctors. Can't remember which. I'll look it up in the morning. They interviewed the women on the phone if I remember correctly.

[Marnica]

Originally Posted by KimberlyD0

It was on either Dr.Phil or the Doctors. Can't remember which. I'll look it up in the morning. They interviewed the women on the phone if I remember correctly.

I don't question the woman interviewed survived rabies, but the claim that she is the only person EVER to survive the bite of a rabid animal...I would like to see this documented in a scientific publication. Don't really feel like Dr. Phil or the Doctors is a great reference.

[KimberlyD0]

Originally Posted by Marnica

Oh well if it is from a TV show it must be accurate......

I don't question the woman interviewed survived rabies, but the claim that she is the only person EVER to survive the bite of a rabid animal...I would like to see this documented in a scientific publication. Don't really feel like Dr. Phil or the Doctors is a great reference.

I also said as far as I know have you ever heard of anyone else serviving? I know I havn't, thats why I remembered it.

I havn't researched it at all because there are other more importent things I need to learn about right now. Like more about what my daughter has.

[Pepper44]

http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/220967-overview

[KimberlyD0]

here is one of many of the stories about that girl her survived the rabies.

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/16827.php#

there are many of them, all basically having the same information.

According to this article only 5 people have survived once they showed symptoms, but they were all vaccinated. She's the first who wasn't vaccinated.

[Cristiaz]

Rabies exsists because Pastuer created it. I just read this in the book The Sanctity of Human Blood: Vaccination i$ Not Immunization. Pretty messed up huh? Just like Jenner kept small pox alive and well killing more people EVER than any other vaccine.

[Otto]

Originally Posted by Cristiaz

Rabies exsists because Pastuer created it.

http://www.rabiesfree.org/page26.htm

[Cristiaz]

Originally Posted by Otto

http://www.rabiesfree.org/page26.htm

Doesn't seem like a credible website to me. Where's the proof? There's proof of Pastuer bringing it about.

[Otto]

Originally Posted by Cristiaz

Doesn't seem like a credible website to me. Where's the proof? There's proof of Pastuer bringing it about.

Why would Franz Krügelstein have published a 640-page book on the topic (Die Geschichte der Hundswuth und der Wasserscheu und deren Behandlung) in 1826, when Louis Pasteur was three years old, if rabies hadn't even been created yet?

[expatmommy]

Rabies is largely controlled in North America because domestic pets are vaccinated & the majority of the population doesn't come in contact with rabid wild animals.

It is the leading infectious disease killer in China, due to a really low vaccination rate for pets and pet vaccines that are not actually legitimate vaccines.

I'd never get my kids vaccinated pre-bite for rabies, but I would certainly consider it if they were bitten by a rabid animal.