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post #141 of 165
WOW Leslie, that's awesome! I haven't read any of her books, only seen bits quoted in Dance of the Dissident Daughter.

Happy Valentine's!
post #142 of 165
Oh good! I have Dance of the Dissident Daughter but haven't read it in a while. I loved that book, so if she quoted her then I'm probably in good hands.
post #143 of 165
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How is that going, Leslie?
post #144 of 165
You know, I haven't had the opportunity to listen to it yet. I keep thinking that I need to start either in the mornings before my kids are up or at night while I'm soaking in the tub (hot baths are a nightly ritual for me in the winter).
post #145 of 165
I've been meaning to share this for awhile: The Book of Moses Chapter 7

It names the earth as "mother of men" (i.e. Mother Earth) and she speaks having a spirit of her own. She is quoted as saying, "Wo, wo is me, the mother of men; I am pained, I am weary, because of the wickedness of my children. When shall I rest, and be cleansed from the filthiness which is gone forth out of me? When will my Creator sanctify me, that I may rest, and righteousness for a season abide upon my face?"

Of particular note is the mention in the chapter regarding the oath made to Noah and the cleansing of the earth. I have heard it taught that Noah's flood was the earth's baptism and when it is sanctified it will be done by fire, a symbol of receiving the Holy Ghost--both of which are ordinances of the gospel of Jesus Christ. And then it will be transfigured and become a paradise. I'm pulling from various spots of the LDS Scriptures which expounded upon the themes presented in the Old and New Testaments. That's OT however.

I just find it very inspiring that the earth has a spirit, and a consciousness. That is very in tune with Starhawk's teachings in The Earth Path and it inspires in me the holy, spiritual responsibility that true stewardship is.

For me as a Christian, this is why I do not feel I worship earth but I do reverence and respect its spirit and energy in a similar sense to the way I respect the spirits of others. Each life is sacred and love is the law. Just as I would connect spiritually with my spouse, children or with other fellow-citizens, I too can connect with the earth. I love the communication exercises in Earth Path for that reason. Its an opportunity to "talk" to the earth.
post #146 of 165
Originally Posted by jenneology View Post
It names the earth as "mother of men" (i.e. Mother Earth) and she speaks having a spirit of her own. She is quoted as saying, "Wo, wo is me, the mother of men; I am pained, I am weary, because of the wickedness of my children. When shall I rest, and be cleansed from the filthiness which is gone forth out of me? When will my Creator sanctify me, that I may rest, and righteousness for a season abide upon my face?"
Maybe there's not a thread of Christianity left in me afterall... As I was reading your post, I actually started feeling anger. Why is it that women always seem to produce "wicked" things in the Christian faith? Why is it that what comes from the mother is always "filthy and wicked" and she must be cleansed and made righteous by the father?

Jenneology, please don't mistake my comments as any sort of expression of anger toward you. I respect your beliefs as your own and am grateful that they beg questions of my spirit.

In my heart, the Mother and the Father hold equal weight in the world of "men." I find myself needing one or the other, or sometimes both, at different times in my life... Or sometimes Spirit comes to me in animal form. Anyway, I have a hard time believing that what comes from Spirit is "wicked" or "filthy." Now I'm asking myself, "Where does evil come from then?"

Jenne, thanks for the opportunity to explore
post #147 of 165
So from that I really don't get that the sense that what the earth produces is wicked and that the products of women are filthy. That is so very generalized and given the evident beauty of the earth all round us (and a strong thread in Christianity). Yet it does remain possible and true that children borne from a woman will not become good people as they grow up. The evil that is present in the world come from children-grown-into-adults who were borne from women. That's all I think that quote can be saying. That some of the fruit of man on earth are choosing evil over good and that saddens the spirit of the earth. What mother wouldn't be saddened to see some of their children choosing actions that hurt others and destroy truth and beauty?
post #148 of 165
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bump! What are everyone's Ostara plans?
post #149 of 165
Hello! I am glad I found this thread. Looking forward to reading it.

post #150 of 165
Originally Posted by cachet View Post
I just ordered the gorgeous earth cycle calendar too, Jenn. I can't wait to get it!!
Have you received yours yet?

I just realized that it hasn't been delivered and I need to start checking on it. Hmmm, disappointing.
post #151 of 165
Can I introduce myself? I think I belong here--I'm more recently expanding into ideas that seem to fit better under paganism than Christianity. Basically I'm a newbie.

I'm Tanya, married to DH for 11 years now, with a 6yo daughter and a 4yo son.

It's partly the kids that are making me realize I could use a few pointers--any idea on how to explain the melding of ideas that some feel are flat-out incompatible? We're Christian, not going to church now, but we've talked about God as loving, all-knowing creator, Jesus, fairly basic Christian beliefs. And a good portion of the Christians I knew growing up, good, loving people, would fundamentally be deeply uncomfortable truly discussing topics like astrology.

How do I explain that I'm making a Treasure Map on the Aries New Moon? I mean--I'm not sure I'm ready for the kids to say "Aries New Moon" to the extended family (who are great in so many ways, generally quite good with my weirdness), I'm not sure it's a discussion I'm ready to start yet. So far, I'm just talking about dreams and goals I have, wanting to make a visual record of them, and they seem interested in doing small versions for themselves. But I'm ignoring the timing aspect.

Any tips on how you've melded these beliefs and practices in the way you communicate and deal with the rest of the world?
post #152 of 165
It is wonderful to see you all here! Our family very much fits in with you. We are also spiritual misfits in society. I don't have time to write now but am subbing.

post #153 of 165
Happy Earth Day! How are you celebrating? We're going to pick up trash (a regular occurrance, but we'll do more than normal.

I just posted this as my FB status update:
"We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. " ~ Native American Proverb
post #154 of 165
PS- Hi Tanya and Susie!
post #155 of 165
Hello! I am actually Kristy. Susie is my cat. We are very much into our Celtic ancestry and follow the Ireland Through the Year book rituals. My husband was raised Catholic and we were pentecostal for a while. It was the church where his extended family ended up at so we went there to be with the family. After moving away, and finding ourselves, we are more pagan than ever. Still finding our way, I guess. I appreicate the book mentionings on this thread. I have gotten a few of them from the library and am starting to read Dissident Daughter now... as much as I can while HSing 3 children and having a toddler and baby.
post #156 of 165
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I have been thinking about this thread a lot, lately. I read this book: The Path of a Christian Witch and really liked it though we share a different faith and I don't feel drawn to exactly what she has been. Since then it seems my path is unfolding right before me. I kind of feel like I'm on overdrive, actually. 


I also really loved this video. At one point she says something along the lines of "you can even be a Christian and do what I do". 


I anyone still around?

post #157 of 165

I have this thread subscribed, so when you bumped it I saw :)


I've been reading "Drawing Down the Moon" and thinking about ways to bring some of the rituals into our lives, not necessarily as religious rites, but as parts of our lives still.

post #158 of 165

I am still here too. Right now I am reading Women Who Run With the Wolves. I read the Introduction yesterday afternoon and started tearing up two sentences in. I am planning on some sort of Solstice celebration for the first time and I feel so happy! I do not remember who recommended the book The Shortest Day, but thank you, I just ordered it. 


If any of you have plans for this Winter Solstice, would you mind sharing them? I have read on here (MDC) before about a Soup and Solstice Celebration and I am leaning that way. I love making homemade soup and baking bread. 


Maggie-Thanks for the book rec. I enjoyed the video you posted.


edited to add: We will be celebrating the Solstice along with Christmas this year, not in lieu of. joy.gif

Edited by Aurora - 12/11/10 at 11:31am
post #159 of 165

I'm reading The Path of the Christian Witch right now as well as When God was a Woman. I've been blogging about the Goddess a lot lately and feeling a connection with Her. One of the impressions I got when reading The Path of the Christian Witch is that spells and rituals have much in common with prayer and energy work. We may not understand how energy works but it can and does happen in all of those ways.


Can anyone tell me about traditions that honor male and female deities? And how they are conceived of separately and together? Thats where I'm pondering now. How to have an individual relationship with each that is separate from the other without marginalizing the other. If they are perfected glorified beings is it possible to conceive of them separately?


Has anyone else tried to include the Goddess in Christian belief?


Aurora, the Solstice Celebration described in The Path of the Christian Witch is a good starting point. The focus was on light and hope. Candles and written hopes shared with others. I'd love to be apart of a community IRL that would do this with a bonfire with dancing, singing and talking.


At my church's Christmas party, I decorated a table with a Solstice table decoration and performed an Irish dance to I Saw Three Ships. Last year I sang The Holly and The Ivy. Its been my small way of recognizing and calling people to remembrance that Christmas co-opted Solstice and is the source of so many of the traditions.


Out of curiosity, I decided to do some internet searching to see if there were any community events celebrating Yule on the day of the Solstice in my city. I live in Seattle and found that there will be a ritual at a bookstore. I also found the local Pagan church and saw that they have ties with a UU church in the area. I'm planning on going to the ritual. I think it's something that my husband won't drag his feet on since he's known I've been looking for something like it for years. Maybe you can search and see if there is something happening near you? I know it depends on city/location but you might get lucky.

Edited by jenneology - 12/15/10 at 12:22am
post #160 of 165
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Ah! My subscriptions aren't working so I didn't see you all had responded. 


I am thinking about the Solstice right now and how to celebrate it. Adelina (the author of The Path of a Christian Witch) has an article that I found interesting... http://www.llewellyn.com/journal/article/2129

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