Sign at Aspen Women's Center - Page 2

[sebarnes]

Hey all! I live in the area, and yes, the sign is real. One of my best friends had her first baby there with all the fun interventions. One of the Drs. there is one of the most unnatural friendly doctors around, and that was the one she got at her birth. He and she even made a little joke about doulas when he came in her room. The funny thing is that now she's training to be a doula and had her second child at home. But, yes, the sign is very, very real.

[EviesMom]

Okay, I just cannot resist: [[]] notes proofreading corrections
Because the Physicians [[lower case "p"]] at Aspen Women's Center care about the quality of their patient's [["patients' "---plural possessive]] and are very concerned about the welfare and health of your [[delete "your," add "their patients'" to match plural possessive third person state of prior text; do not switch to second person and then back again]] unborn child [[should be "children" plural to match multiple patients, deliveries and physicians]], we will not participate in: a "Birth Contract", [[questionable use of quote marks; at a minimum, place comma inside quotation mark]] a Doulah Assisted [[delete "h," lower case "d" in doula and "a" in assisted, add hyphen between. Should be "doula-assisted"]], or a Bradley Method [[lower case "m," can keep cap B as Bradley was last name]] delivery. For those patients who are interested in such methods, please notify the nurse so we may arrange transfer of [[to maintain third person throughout, delete "your" and add "the patient's" instead]] your care. [[Switching to second person here might be reasonable as it serves as a call to action and could be spoken more directly to the reader of the sign. In this case, the final sentence should read: "If you are interested in such methods, please notify the nurse so we may arrange transfer of your care."]]

Forget the concepts, I don't think I could trust such a facility on the grounds of the gross editorial mistakes! Yes, some individuals are brilliant yet cannot spell or use decent grammar; however, a decent medical facility should then hire someone to proofread before printing a professional, non-temporary sign. And I don't really believe that a whole medical facility's worth of professionals could be so completely unaware of grammar rules yet actually be good at something else involving skill, practice, and attention to detail. Local ice cream shop gets a chuckle and a pass for using bad grammar and misuse of quotations; so do posters on message boards; but school administrations and hospitals DO NOT!

[Veritaserum]

It is real. This OB office is in my town and my sister uses them.

[Belle]

Originally Posted by EviesMom

...or a Bradley Method [[lower case "m," can keep cap B as Bradley was last name]] delivery.

Actually this is semi-correct. The Bradley Method® is a a registered trademark. So they can capitalize "M" but they should include the word "The" and include the ®.

[Belle]

To me this sign says clearly that they don't give a damn about womens' or babies' health. All they care about is getting kids born in whatever way suits them best. Since they're doctors they know better than women could possibly know, no matter how educated women make themselves.

I think this is offending me on a cellular level. I had a birth plan, I used The Bradley Method®, and I became a doula myself after my first birth. Every part of me wants to shout it out to the world how horrible it would be to birth with this practice.

[EviesMom]

Originally Posted by Belle

Actually this is semi-correct. The Bradley Method® is a a registered trademark. So they can capitalize "M" but they should include the word "The" and include the ®.

Good to know! Thank you! But yes, then they have to include everything and the ®. And they would have to rewrite that sentence to accommodate The Bradley Method®. I wonder if there's an infringement case possibility there, if the owners of the registered trademark wanted to get negative publicity aimed at Aspen?

[Veritaserum]

Originally Posted by EviesMom

I wonder if there's an infringement case possibility there, if the owners of the registered trademark wanted to get negative publicity aimed at Aspen?

Now that's a good question....

[Belle]

Originally Posted by EviesMom

Good to know! Thank you! But yes, then they have to include everything and the ®. And they would have to rewrite that sentence to accommodate The Bradley Method®. I wonder if there's an infringement case possibility there, if the owners of the registered trademark wanted to get negative publicity aimed at Aspen?

Good idea! I'm sure AAHCC wouldn't like that. Any Bradley teachers here know who we could contact with infringement violations?

[smeisnotapirate]

Not a Bradley teacher, but I just went on their website and called their number (useless ) and it seems like the best way to reach them would be by mail.

[Autumn Breeze]

As I said to a friend of mine, look at it this way.....

In one way I like the sign. It tells you exactly what you're going to get if you chose to keep your prenatal and delivery care with these people. You will have every test. You will have interventions and you probably will not have fully informed consent going into any of it unless you've done the research.

And if you have done the research, chances are you're going to walk away. If you're going to walk away, someone, who may not know better, might see you walk away. Then maybe they'll start asking questions.

I wish more providers would put there agendas in the front waiting room like that, it could save a lot of women a lot of time.

[*MamaJen*]

Originally Posted by sebarnes

Hey all! I live in the area, and yes, the sign is real. One of my best friends had her first baby there with all the fun interventions. One of the Drs. there is one of the most unnatural friendly doctors around, and that was the one she got at her birth. He and she even made a little joke about doulas when he came in her room. The funny thing is that now she's training to be a doula and had her second child at home. But, yes, the sign is very, very real.

Hey, thanks for verifying it. There goes my hope that it was all a hoax to raise attention to common obstetric practices, but it's good to know.

[sebarnes]

Originally Posted by *MamaJen*

Hey, thanks for verifying it. There goes my hope that it was all a hoax to raise attention to common obstetric practices, but it's good to know.

I really wish it was a hoax, too

[nashvillemidwife]

Yes, it's good that they're up front about it, but being honest doesn't excuse you for being a misogynist.

[Turquesa]

Originally Posted by *MamaJen*

"Because the Physicians at Aspen Womens Center care about the quality of their patients deliveries and are very concerned about the welfare and health of your unborn child ...

Right. Because those of us who hire carefully screened doulas and present a well-researched birth plan don't give a rat's arse about the quality of our deliveries or our the health and welfare of our children.

Gak! How insulting to women.

[Belle]

Originally Posted by nashvillemidwife

Yes, it's good that they're up front about it, but being honest doesn't excuse you for being a misogynist.

That explains my feelings about it exactly.

[Cherienc]

Yes, exactly!