Third Dose of MMR Needed by College?

[Sileree]

http://insidevaccines.com/wordpress/...ing-realities/

"So what is causing some recipients of two doses of MMR to contract mumps? How many boosters will be required to protect the public health? Can this be considered a successful public health strategy with so many unknowns?

And why in the world is there only one solution ever considered for vaccine failure … more vaccination with the same vaccine that already failed?"

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[Deborah]

Mumps outbreaks

http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/200...h_officia.html

but I thought it was sort of funny that insidevaccines had just published an article a few days ago on this very topic.

Do you suppose the insidevaccines crew have secretly been spreading the mumps to increase readership? Now that is a conspiracy theory! Get out your tinfoil hats!

[Noelle C.]

How many boosters? Here's an idea. Just catch the disease itself and have protection for life. M, M, & R, are all pretty mild diseases with very, very, very low death rates.

[ema-adama]

Most of the cases here have been found in private school students between the ages of 17 and 20, and most of whom had received the mumps vaccine. The two doses, administered at around a year old and just before kindergarten, are about 90% effective

http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?se...lth&id=7080264

What is interesting is that the mumps portion of the vaccine is not always 90% effective.

Estimate of vaccine efficacy was equal to 6.3% (95% CI: -45.9; 39.8) for the Rubini strain, as compared to 73.1% (95% CI: 41.8; 87.6) for the Urabe Am 9 strain, and 61.6% (95% CI: 0.0; 85.4) for the Jeryl Lynn strain,

PMID: 9592852 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

RESULTS: The vaccine efficacy of the Jeryl-Lynn strain, Urabe strain and Rubini strain mumps vaccine were 80.7, 54.4 and -55.3%, respectively.

PMID: 16291282 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

Early trials with the Jeryl Lynn vaccine strain demonstrated an efficacy of approximately 95%, but in epidemic conditions, the effectiveness has been as low as 62%;

PMID: 17638194 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

The Jeryl Lynn strain is the strain in the US mumps vaccine.

[Sileree]

Originally Posted by Noelle C.

How many boosters? Here's an idea. Just catch the disease itself and have protection for life. M, M, & R, are all pretty mild diseases with very, very, very low death rates.

I agree.

[Deborah]

http://jewishbreakingnews.wordpress....k-in-lakewood/

Those affected are young adults who have been fully vaccinated against the disease, she said. Those infected are between 1 and 40 years old, with the average age between 17 and 20, Terjesen said.

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Terjesen said the outbreak does not involve a bad dose of vaccines. She said a person exposed to the mumps virus after receiving only the first dose of the vaccine has a 20 percent chance of contracting the disease. A person exposed to the virus after receiving the second dose has a 10 percent chance of getting the mumps.

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[Deborah]

This is an interesting article:
http://www.findingdulcinea.com/news/...-Vaccines.html

Still, scientists are unsure about the long-term durability of many childhood vaccines, speculating that their effects may wear off during adulthood. As a result, adults that were vaccinated as children against deadly diseases such as whooping cough and measles may now be susceptible to such illnesses. According to data released by the CDC in July, American adults have very low compliance rates with recommended vaccinations, due in part to the mistaken belief that childhood vaccinations provide lifelong immunity.

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The low compliance rates may be partly from all of these adults having been told that childhood vaccinations provided lifelong immunity. Methinks there are some changes in the story.

See this, for example: A happy baby poster which says "stop measles with just one shot."

Life long shots, every few years? No. JUST ONE SHOT. For measles, for mumps, for whatever.

So where did adults get their mistaken impression that childhood vaccines provide lifelong immunity?

So, then they changed their story, why not? Boosters would fix the problem. One shot for a baby or toddler and then a booster before school and everything is fine.

But...that isn't working either and now we are all expected to get shots every few years for a whole slew of illnesses through our entire lives. This is the new herd immunity. And a massive subsidy for a lot of drug companies, if they can pull it off and sell the concept. Instead of just vaxing millions of children every year, they can stick needles in millions of adults besides. Ka ching!

[Fyrestorm]

Originally Posted by Deborah

But...that isn't working either and now we are all expected to get shots every few years for a whole slew of illnesses through our entire lives. This is the new herd immunity. And a massive subsidy for a lot of drug companies, if they can pull it off and sell the concept. Instead of just vaxing millions of children every year, they can stick needles in millions of adults besides. Ka ching!

This is the part that cracks me up when people freak out around unvaxinated children...wanna bet they are not up to date? Wanna bet most adults that are around their child (including teachers, medical professionals,grandparents) are not up to date? Do they realize that most adults are the same supposed 'well of disease' that they assume unvaxed children to be?

You can just about place bets that the OB that delivered their child hasn't had all his/her shots either.

[Deborah]

Yes, you got it Fyrestorm!

It is the unvaccinated children who spread diseases...

except when it is vaccinated teens and adults who catch them and get very sick because they don't have the lifelong immunity they could have had if they had gotten mumps as a child...

and you think that these vaccinated teens and adults are not spreading this stuff around? I've got a nice bridge for sale!

[caned & able]

Yes, Deborah. I was at the VA hospital and there were signs all over declaring "Don't be a carrier, get your flu vaccine now!", when I know and they know that being vaccinated makes one a carrier.

[Sileree]

I am reminded of this study:

http://aje.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/co...tract/120/1/39

"A computer model was created to study the effect of the measles elimination program in the United States on the number of susceptibles in the population ... despite short-term success in eliminating the disease, long-range projections demonstrate that the proportion of susceptibles in the year 2050 may be greater than in the prevaccine era. Present vaccine technology and public health policy must be altered to deal with this eventuallty."

[Deborah]

Sileree, that is an amazing quote. Thank you.

[Deborah]

More commentary on the mumps outbreak, still trying to say that the problem is not enough vaccination:

http://blogs.consumerreports.org/hea...-symptoms.html

Most of those in New Jersey who got the mumps had been fully vaccinated, according to local reports. And a reported 75 percent of the Brooklyn children infected had also been vaccinated.
Studies show that 9 in 10 people vaccinated against the mumps will develop antibodies, and therefore immunity, against the disease, but that means that 10 percent won’t. And those that don’t get vaccinated—like the reported 25 percent of cases in Brooklyn—have little or no protection against the disease.