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My dear 21 month old daughter has really been challenging lately. Until now we've done ok with distractions and redirecting her. However, I think we are getting to the point that I need a specific game plan for discipline when those don't work. But I'm not sure what to do. I've tried time-outs a couple of times (basically she and I sit on the couch for a minute) but they don't really seem to make an impression on her. (In reality they were more of a time out for me because I was really angry at her).

I'm could really use some help with these in particular:

1. pulling the cat's tail. And leg. And neck. We have been dealing with this since 12 m.o. and I had hoped it would get better with time. But it hasn't really. She is just stronger and I fear more for our poor kitty now. We usually just remind her to "pat gently" and ask her to show us how to "pat gently". Which she will do before going back to pulling the tail. Sometimes I have to remove the cat or remove her from the cat. But that isn't really a consequence to her since the cat will always come right back again to sit down next to her. I wish that the cat would just give her a nice little nip, but she is too sweet.

2. getting into the car seat. Today I spent 15 minutes trying everything... singing songs (works sometimes), offering something fun she could do/have once she is in (doesn't usually work), yelling. I finally had to physically hold her down kicking and crying while strapping her in. I almost couldn't do it and thought I'd have to find someone to help me. This was not fun for either of us.

3. Standing on the table. I usually just move the chairs, but she isn't learning to not do it when the chairs are there.

4. Biting mama. This game just started yesterday. She thinks it is hilarious to try to bit me. I want to put an end to this one immediately.

I'm sure I could go on and on with my list. But I'd love to hear any ideas for dealing with an individual problems, or a general gentle discipline approach that will get a bit more attention than my current approaches have.

I could really use the help!
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Well I don't do timeouts at all and at that age I really couldn't imagine them working with DD. I'm not sold on the idea of arbitrary consequences, so I really don't employ punishment at all. I think time-in can be helpful, you and DD moving away from the action to chill out. This isn't punitive and it allows everyone to regroup.

The cat-we had issues with our cats. One would not back down and this was an issue bc DD would corner her. The solution for us was to keep them separate or be right on top of DD when they were together. We always reminded and modeled gentle touch, but the fact was that even once she was old enough to understand, it didn't mean that she could control her impulses. She did get scratched a few times and that did NOT deter her, so I couldn't imagine any consequence I could have applied to her that would have worked. She just turned 3 and it was only a few months ago that I could stop worrying about the cat/child interaction.

The carseat-this was a very annoying phase for DD. I didn't bargain or bribe (oh I tried a few times in desperation, but it was totally useless). I just tried to be matter of fact about it. "You need to get in the carseat now, put your arm in here..." The key here was trying to maintain my cool and just make it happen without engaging in the drama. She got through the phase and that was that.

Standing on the table-this is the worst stage (so dangerous). I think what you are doing, removing the chairs until she is over it is the way to go. That's what we did. Once she got beyond the stage of needing to climb everything the problem was solved.

Biting-how do you react? When DD tried this I calmly reminded that we don't bite and I put her down. No discussion, no drama, no stern voice. If she wanted to be back up right away, that was fine and if she bit again, I repeated. This worked with DD and we really didn't have a big problem with biting. It's not so hilarious if you don't react in an interesting way. Do you see a pattern here? I go with matter-of-fact on most of this stuff (and sure I do lose my cool, but my goal is matter-of-fact). It really has been so helpful, especially with all those normal stage behaviors. Stern voice was reserved only for danger issues.

So really I don't think you need to find effective consequences. I think at that age most things are about prevention and redirection still. I know there can be pressure to be implementing punishments but that has not really resonated with me. I liked Alfie Kohn's "Unconditional Parenting" and Lawrence Cohen's "Playful Parenting." You might find those interesting.
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Thanks for your thoughts. It is helpful to hear. I was really desperate after a couple of really bad days. I finally realized that we had just tried to add goat milk back into her diet and that perhaps that was triggering something. After two days of no dairy she is much more stable and no longer trying to bit me.

I would like to have some sort of game plan for the times that she just isn't listening. I do try all of the best things first... songs, distraction, removing items, etc. But there are those times when she just keeps doing (or not doing) something again and again. Or when the calm serious voice just isn't getting her into the car seat.

I do try to be creative and just avoid the conflicts as much as possible. But I really need a game plan for when that doesn't work.
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