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post #1 of 58
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I am choosing to selectively vaccinate my children. Well, my dd (age 5) is mostly vax'd and my ds will (so far) only be receiving the dtap (I don't care about the d & t so much...it's the "p" I'm not cool with...).

Anyway, I'm not wanting to pick at people or start a fight or anything...but I'm just curious. For those of you who are anti-vaccinations - what are you "pro"?

Do you think things such as:

ayurvedic remedies, homeopathy, acupuncture, eastern medicine, psychic healing, etc works?

I guess I'm just wondering if the trend is "I'm anti-vaccination and anti western medicine" or what? Can you (and are you) anti-vaccine yet pro most other (if not all) western medicine?

Or are you completely skeptical of the entire medical field and their motives/beliefs?

I do not care WHY you are choosing not to vaccinate...I am ONLY inquiring as to your other medical/health beliefs.

I REALLY hope this makes sense! Geez...this question makes so much sense in my head, yet I'm having a super tough time figuring out how to make sense of it "on paper".

I'm kinda expecting answers to look like this:

Hi, I'm so-and-so and I'm anti-vaccination but pro-western medicine.
Hi, I don't vax, I go to a naturopath and tend to only use homeopathic remedies.
Hi, I <3 chiropractics...lol


I hope it's okay I post this here...TIA for anyone who answers!
post #2 of 58
I'm anti-vaccination for my family, I don't care what other people choose to do in that regard. I tend to use western medicine more than homeopathic or alternative treatments, however I do not do so blindly and I make sure it is clearly needed. Which means, we rarely use it. (I'm under the care of a team of neurologists for my medical issues, DD2 was on Zantac for severe reflux as an infant, DS and DD1 have not yet had an illness that needed prescription medication.)
post #3 of 58
I am in favor of anything that works.

Modern medicine's strength is NOT preventative medicine; it is emergency care - the treatment of shock, trauma, et cetera. Anything else, forget it.

I would never tell anyone what to do. NEVER. The only reason I post here is to offer my opinion when it is requested. You can do what you want, because most people do.

That is my opinion, borne from experience.
post #4 of 58
I'm anti-vax (for my family) but I do use western medicine.....so...I wonder now that you brought it up....hmmm...am I a hypocrite?
post #5 of 58
We are anti-vax and anti the overuse of Western medicine.

I think it's ridiculous that doctors think a baby needs to visit them 6 times in the first year of life, not counting the newborn exam. I think it's crazy that most people are on antibiotics numerous times in their life.

The biggest problem I see is that Americans in general seem obsessed with preventing disease and avoiding germs, but do not nearly enough of promoting true wellness, so that their bodies can fight the diseases it comes in contact with.
post #6 of 58
I'm in favor of selective and delayed vaccination for my kids.

I think homeopathy and psychic healing are large steaming crocks of woo. Although I have no doubt of their placebo effect on some people.

I look on naturopathy as an alternative pov to western med; I think it can be very useful for certain things.

Accupuncture has been clinically proven to be effective for certain conditions. Got no beef with it, nor with Chinese herbs.

It's all about balance. Most of the time I rely on Western medicine. Sometimes, for conditions I want a different perspective on, I go to my naturopath.
post #7 of 58
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Originally Posted by Evie's Mama View Post
The biggest problem I see is that Americans in general seem obsessed with preventing disease and avoiding germs,...
That is a cultural problem that some Europeans and other non-Americans perceive as strange. I tend to agree. This lead decades ago to cleaning all new borns with a compound, hexachlorophene, which was withdrawn and not returned. So I wonder what new borns are washed with now and how safe is it?
post #8 of 58
ayurvedic remedies, homeopathy, acupuncture, eastern medicine, psychic healing, etc works? I think homeopathy and psychic medicine are total scams (sorry, I know it's not a popular sentiment here, but I do) I am sure actupuncture and eastern medicine work in some cases, but they are not a path we take as a family

Or are you completely skeptical of the entire medical field and their motives/beliefs? Yes, but I still think they are my best bet when I am truly ill - I just always research whatever they tell me.

I'm anti vax (for us) and warily pro western medicine.
post #9 of 58
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Originally Posted by Evie's Mama View Post
We are anti-vax and anti the overuse of Western medicine.

I think it's ridiculous that doctors think a baby needs to visit them 6 times in the first year of life, not counting the newborn exam. I think it's crazy that most people are on antibiotics numerous times in their life.

The biggest problem I see is that Americans in general seem obsessed with preventing disease and avoiding germs, but do not nearly enough of promoting true wellness, so that their bodies can fight the diseases it comes in contact with.
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Originally Posted by caned & able View Post
I am in favor of anything that works.

Modern medicine's strength is NOT preventative medicine; it is emergency care - the treatment of shock, trauma, et cetera. Anything else, forget it.

I would never tell anyone what to do. NEVER. The only reason I post here is to offer my opinion when it is requested. You can do what you want, because most people do.

That is my opinion, borne from experience.


Modern medicine defiantly has a place but we don't seem to do enough to make our bodies truly healthy to avoid disease in the first place and sometimes I think drs over react and see illness where there is none or treat illness that would do better with a little R&R.
post #10 of 58
I was born into an anti-vaccine alternative medicine family. For myself, I use anything I think will work. Since I don't think vaccines will work, I don't use them. Some of the modalities I've tried in this life (not a complete list):
chiropractic
homeopathy
medical drugs
physical therapy
therapeutic massage
colonics
naturopathy
vitamins
anthroposophically extended medicine

Since I'm 59 years old, the list isn't really all that long. I sometimes go for two or three years with no medical care at all, of any variety.

My philosophy could be summed up this way:
Putting theory of any flavor ahead of my good health is silly.
post #11 of 58
I'm completely 100% anti-vaccines. I don't think vaccines work at all (they were not responsible for the decline in diseases). Western conventional Allopathic medicine's strength is in emergency/trauma care--the U.S. ranks #1 in the world for emergency/trauma care, so yes I believe in using Western medicine for that, when needed, and possibly in the rare case when nothing else natural works, but realizing that drugs and surgery (the only things that Western medicine offers) only cover up symptoms and never address the cause, so if Western medicine is used, the cause of the symptom(s) still need to be addressed with other forms of treatments.

In the case of degenerative diseases (cancer, heart disease, etc.), Western medicine is a failure. The cause of these diseases was not lack of drugs and surgery. Therefore, I would go about addressing the cause of the disease by truly healing the body, and that will involve proper nutrition with high quality supplements, detoxification/internal cleansing, repopulating gut flora, and a whole lifestyle change, in a nutshell but of course there are many other helpful things to do out there that would also truly heal the body. People did not get a degenerative disease over night. It took years and years of abusing the body to get to that degenerative state and Western medicine's practice of removing organs and suppressing symptoms with drugs isn't healing the body one bit.

I can give a personal example of how Western medicine is a complete failure for treating acne. The cause of acne is not lack of drugs, not lack of antibiotics, not lack of applying something topical to the face, not lack of not washing the face. The cause is internal. The cause could be candida. The cause can be leaky gut. The cause can be a sluggish liver. It can be other things. In my case, my cause was a sluggish liver. I had chronic acne for over a decade of my life and I was able to cure it 100% by liver/gallbladder flushing. Western medicine would have never ever cured my acne.

So, I'm "pro" using what ever addresses the cause of symptoms, what ever that may be. If someone has chronic headaches, maybe the cause of their headaches is subluxations, so they need to go to a chiropractor to get their spine in alignment. Fix that, and then they are cured. The cause of their headaches was not lack of Aspirin.
post #12 of 58
Thread Starter 
I guess I should've mentioned what I use as well, huh?

I do go to the doctor...and take my children...but RARELY. I think using doctors is, in most cases, expensive and overrated. Do I really want to pay a $30 co-pay for me to tell the doc that dd has a runny nose and have her prescribe some overused antibiotic or tell me have her rest more? nah...

So I typically try to diagnose and treat my own family - when it's not an emergency - with herbal remedies, dietary changes or OTC medicine as needed. I have 2 books I love - The holistic Pediatrician and Nutritional Healing...both are great resources and have saved me tons of money and trips to the doctor

I used to use homeopathic remedies, but my skeptic dh has forced me to read and watch enough stuff on the subject that I quit wasting my money...although as mentioned - placebo effect can be wonderful, and the treatments ARE harmless.

Thanks for the input so far mama's!
post #13 of 58
We do not vaccinate ourselves or our children, but I would not lable myself "anti-vaccination." I am pro-vaccine choice, if anything.

I'm also not "pro" western medicine, but I'm not "anti" western medicine either. I think it has it's time and it's place.

I do go to a medical doctor for yearly visits. If we had a DO or Natural doctor here whom I trusted I would go to him or her for yearly's, but still use western medicine for emergency situations.

I also agree that lack of asprin is not the cause of the headache, and I'd rather treat the cause. Lack of tylonol is also not the cause of a fever, know what I mean? I think that's where Western Medicnie goes wrong sometimes ....they treat symptoms instead of the cause. It's the same in how Western Medicine treats childbrith ...they treat the symptoms (pitocen to get baby out faster, epidural for pain, etc) ...I'm just not that into treating symptoms. I'd rather treat causes. Now, if tylonol can help a child sleep who isn't sleeping, and sleep will help the child heal, then I'm for it. At the same time, if an epidural will help a woman relax who has been in labor for over 24 hours, I'm all for it. There is a time and a place, but I feel it is all overused.
post #14 of 58
I'm anti western medicine which includes vaxes of course.

I'm pro nuturing the body in the way it was intended to be nutured.

We use vitamins, minerals, homeopathics, herbs, organic whole foods as medicine. I love reiki and accupuncture, they both work great.

I'm pro finding the cause of illness instead of covering it up with meds. I'm pro natural therapies because they don't have ridiculous side effects.

I'm also pro people making there own choices. We all have to live with our choices
post #15 of 58
We don't/won't vaccinate our children. I think that western/modern medicine is useful but isn't the best choice in a non-emergency situation. (In an emergency situation I would certainly consult the closest ER and have done so on a few occasions in the last year or so - my husband did not hesitate for a second to call 911 when I fainted on his mothers front lawn while pregnant last summer.)

Shonda Parker talks about the ladder of interventions and in our family that would look like the following:
1)Practice proper hygiene and eat a good whole foods diet, limiting access to processed foods and chemicals in our home and give our kids lots of fresh air and sunshine.
2) Use supplements, herbs, and homeopathic remedies for specific conditions.
3)OTC meds
4) Consult a medical specialist and use prescription medicine is other methods haven't worked.
5) Surgery

And as Christians, we do pray as well for healing and do believe miraculous healing can take place but we also believe in using the physical means presented to us as well.
post #16 of 58
Im anti vax. Im pro any "medicine/health regimine you researched and informed yourself about. and decided you were comfortable doing for you and yours. "
post #17 of 58
Eh, its like going to a buffet house: take what you like; you're under no obligation to sample every dish available just because you walked in the door.

For us, we stick with naturopathy, but would use western medicine in the event that natural methods aren't feasible (like a broken bone or gun shot wound)

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And as Christians, we do pray as well for healing and do believe miraculous healing can take place but we also believe in using the physical means presented to us as well.
Amen!
post #18 of 58
I just wanna live my life as naturally as possible as this freakin world will allow, and within my limits in this particular stage of my life. This means not getting stressed in my homemade bread isn't made with soaked grains, my milk isn't raw, and my shampoo is chalked full of chemicals. I'm not spiritual in the least and avoid natuopath's just as much as I avoid all doctors. Emergency situations are different. If I need stitches, you will find me at the ER (declining the tetanus vax!!). If we ever have a health concern in our family that requires some level of professional care/input I will more than likely use a combo or western/natural medicine. But, I am very much against vaccinations. It's a give and take thing for me. I'm kind of a mixed bag I think.
post #19 of 58
I use regular medication including OTC ones when I feel they are needed. I dont know a thing about homeopathy other than using otc stuff like the ear drops from the pharmacy that use natural things in it. I did also use teething tablets.

The kids get abx when needed. My dd needs meds for her asthma and sees her allergist regularly. I didnt do the WBV and only do physicals with them once a year because the school requires it.

I do distrust the medical establishment as a whole and do my own research on things because of that.

The ped. asked me basically the same thing at the kids last physical. Wanting to know if they got seriously ill if I would let them be treated which I found so silly since he was looking at the charts showing all the times I had them in there for sickness and given them abx.
post #20 of 58
I don't believe in vaccines at all, but I also don't have much faith in Western Medicine. But that's from research, fueled by negative experiences.

I started questioning everything when I was younger. My mother would take me to the doctor for every. little. thing. I actually got to the point where I would ask for "the pink stuff" because I liked the taste. I think I was five or six at that point. But after that, I started noticing brochures in the rooms talking about how anti-biotics may not always been the best choice. And I was confused. So when I was in my teens, and happily addicted to the computer and internet and anything that got me away from the world, I started reading up on things. And I was amazed.

By my senior year of high school, I was convinced vaccines were the devil, medicine in general was over used to the point where new illnesses were being born from it, drug companies made up illness just to make money off selling drugs for them. (I've even met pharmacists who agree with that last point.)

Then I went to college and took an environmental history course. It was a requirement for my major, else I never would have taken it. But because of that course, I was introduced to an amazing book that I still read today. In fact, it's sitting right next to me on the couch. "Having Faith: An ecologist's journey to motherhood" by Sandra Steingraber. She's amazing. Her books talks all about the 'natural' toxins we have in the world and how they negatively affect our world, especially our children. She strongly criticizes medical interventions during child birth and discusses the history of OBs and MWs, from both view points. And, of course, she encourages full term breastfeeding.

But her book, in addition to my own research, which includes other books on proper nutrition (given to me by my chiro), has really solidified what I already knew through research and my own experience: We would be much healthier if we didn't have all these medicines and all these processed foods and all these toxins used in every day products.

Just watch TV for half for an hour. You are almost certain to see at least one commercial asking if "you or a loved one has even taken" xyz drug, because if you have then you may be entitled to a settlement. It seems every day that a new drug is recalled.

And that's just the problem. In Europe, before a drug can be placed on the market, it has to prove that it won't harm/kill people, that it actually helps. In the US, it just has to go through one or two trials and then it can just be recalled later, after too many develop chronic illnesses and such.

So, no, I don't believe in Western Medicine for the most part. Certainly, there are cases when it's needed, like for emergencies. But even for illnesses that are treatable, I haven't seen much progress. But a huge reason for that problem - and maybe this is my underlying concern - is the fact that we have a profit driven medical system.

My reasons for not having faith in the Western Medicine? My biggest reason would be my mother. She has been going to doctors since I was 3 for her "condition". Now I call it that because every few years it has a new name. First it was carpal tunnel, then it TOS, then it was something else, then it was fibromyalga. She's been addicted to pain killers probably most of that time. I remember coming home from school when I was seven and seeing her passed out on the couch because the pills made her sleep. She kept a huge basket of pills next to her under the coffee table. I was too embarrassed to bring friends over, which didn't matter because they couldn't stand my mother anyway. They always said she was crazy. They were right. She is. Because her doctor makes more money by pumping her full of drugs. It doesn't matter how many times shes rushed to the hospital for having seizures where she almost swallows her tongue, it doesn't matter how many times she gets her head stitched up because she "fell over the cat" (her usual excuse), he still gives her more drugs, because they aren't the cause of her "episodes" as he calls them. She claims she's an epileptic, yet she's not on any medication for that.

I had a very good friend in college who had epilepsy. I remember holding her and falling to the ground with her during a seizure so she wouldn't get as hurt. I remember making the hour and half long drive with her in college to the nearest real hospital to see her neuro doc about new ways to help with her seizures. She was convinced he put her on too many pills and that was the reason her seizures were increasing, not stress from school. (She had been through that kind of stress before and it did nothing like that.) She ended up being right and was put on fewer pills. Two years ago, ironically around the same time DP and I discovered he had a brain tumor, she had brain surgery. I promised her I would fly to her - in NJ, I was in WI - and be there with her before hand so we could shave our heads together. She wouldn't allow it, especially since she didn't have to shave her head. Her surgery went well but she still has seizures during her menstrual cycle and was told from day one that she'll never be able to carry a child. (Her body also doesn't make estrogen so she goes months without a period and seriously has no chest, which she makes fun of and wears ridiculously stuff bras just to make people laugh.) I promised her then, and I still tell her now, that I would be more than happy to carry a child for her. Because I love her that. She's an amazing person.

And my mother trying to pretend she, too, has epilepsy, offends me greatly. It's just another way for her to "justify" her addiction, which, of course, she doesn't have.

Anyhow, I know this is completely off topic, but I felt the need to explain why I feel the way I feel. I don't go to doctors and I don't go to hospitals. If I'm sick, my body will take care of it. I rest and drink lots of fluids. And I do have a homeopathic cold and flu thing, made from natural organic ingredients. DP bought it bc I refused to take tylenol. I avoid doctors and hospitals like the plague. I have a chiro but he's just for when I need to get my back adjusted, like when I need to breathe better. (Apparently, I have asthma. Inhalers never worked and I also shook violently after breathing treatments. Whatever that means.) I do try to live as natural as possible, like a PP said. It's not the easiest of things to do, but I try my best. I prefer organic foods because they are healthier. I avoid fake crap like high fructose corn (I realize it's just like sugar and I hated all those commercials demonizing it because they did it for the wrong reasons.) and preservatives if I can. I don't eat meat so I do buy frozen substitutes. I try to avoid dairy because of the hormones. Oh, and I also see my chiro to talk about nutritional health. He's a big believer in eating natural, unprocessed foods. He feels they lead to a healthier life style. And I agree. He has vitamins that aren't made with chemical crap, just like my midwife has. And that's what I like about them. (And the fact that they actually applaud my decision not to vaccinate.)

But that's just me.
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