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post #141 of 261
I definitely have severe Adrenal Fatigue. I started taking Rhodiola tincture a few weeks ago and have seen amazing results from it! Unfortunately, I need to stop taking it because we are TTC this month and I've read that it isn't safe while pg or nursing.

Is there something else I can take that is safe that I can expect similar results from? I've heard of Ashwaganda, Shatavari, and a couple other adaptogens, but would like to hear from other mamas dealing with AF as to which ones they've found to be effective that are also safe during pg/nursing.
post #142 of 261
I just started to work on healthy adrenals about 2 weeks ago and I feel AMAZING!!! I haven't had energy in YEARS. I created a morning and evening routine for myself.

1. In bed BEFORE 10pm. Every. Single. Night. No. Exceptions. <---- This is huge for me...I was a night owl. It has been the #1 thing that has helped my energy levels and mood. I take an epsom salt bath at 9pm while drinking chammomile tea with a dash of honey. I put a few drops of lavender essential oil in the bath to help me relax.

2. No caffeine. None. Zip. Zilch. Nada. After I read that caffeine contributed to adrenal burnout, I was ON IT.

3. Ginseng tea (double strength) every single morning. <---Can you say ENERGY?! lol

4. A huge glass of freshly squeezed lemon water first thing in the morning. HUGE glass!

5. 5 minutes of looking in the direction of the sun every single morning (even if the sun is not there). Today was rainy and cloudy, so I stood in the porch @ the full glass door drinking my tea and water.

6. No computer or TV or technology at least one hour before bed and for the first hour every morning.

7. Vitamin D supplement.

8. No sugar. (gulp). This is hard for a sugar addict and I haven't been perfect, but pretty stinkin close.

Good luck to all of you! Glad to see this thread!!!
post #143 of 261
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Originally Posted by nicole_marie View Post

6. No computer or TV or technology at least one hour before bed and for the first hour every morning.


Everything else sounds amazing!


Pat
post #144 of 261
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Originally Posted by WuWei View Post


Everything else sounds amazing!


Pat
so that's what my problem is! (the computer and then the late nights probably too)
post #145 of 261
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Originally Posted by nicole_marie View Post
I just started to work on healthy adrenals about 2 weeks ago and I feel AMAZING!!! I haven't had energy in YEARS. I created a morning and evening routine for myself.

1. In bed BEFORE 10pm. Every. Single. Night. No. Exceptions. <---- This is huge for me...I was a night owl. It has been the #1 thing that has helped my energy levels and mood. I take an epsom salt bath at 9pm while drinking chammomile tea with a dash of honey. I put a few drops of lavender essential oil in the bath to help me relax.

2. No caffeine. None. Zip. Zilch. Nada. After I read that caffeine contributed to adrenal burnout, I was ON IT.

3. Ginseng tea (double strength) every single morning. <---Can you say ENERGY?! lol

4. A huge glass of freshly squeezed lemon water first thing in the morning. HUGE glass!

5. 5 minutes of looking in the direction of the sun every single morning (even if the sun is not there). Today was rainy and cloudy, so I stood in the porch @ the full glass door drinking my tea and water.

6. No computer or TV or technology at least one hour before bed and for the first hour every morning.

7. Vitamin D supplement.

8. No sugar. (gulp). This is hard for a sugar addict and I haven't been perfect, but pretty stinkin close.

Good luck to all of you! Glad to see this thread!!!
Which ginseng tea are you using? How does it taste? That's great btw!
post #146 of 261
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Originally Posted by Sihaya View Post
I definitely have severe Adrenal Fatigue. I started taking Rhodiola tincture a few weeks ago and have seen amazing results from it! Unfortunately, I need to stop taking it because we are TTC this month and I've read that it isn't safe while pg or nursing.

Is there something else I can take that is safe that I can expect similar results from? I've heard of Ashwaganda, Shatavari, and a couple other adaptogens, but would like to hear from other mamas dealing with AF as to which ones they've found to be effective that are also safe during pg/nursing.
Siberian ginseng is ok to take I *think*. I take ashwaganda daily but I'm not sure about that one during pregnancy. What about B vitamins for you?
post #147 of 261
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Siberian ginseng is ok to take I *think*. I take ashwaganda daily but I'm not sure about that one during pregnancy. What about B vitamins for you?
There is ashwaganda, cordyceps and eleuthero in Vital Nutrients Adrenal Support and I took it through my pregnancy (whenever I was able to, anyway ).
post #148 of 261
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Originally Posted by JacquelineR View Post
There is ashwaganda, cordyceps and eleuthero in Vital Nutrients Adrenal Support and I took it through my pregnancy (whenever I was able to, anyway ).
Good to know! did you notice a difference?
post #149 of 261
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Good to know! did you notice a difference?
i notice a difference if i miss it.
post #150 of 261
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Originally Posted by JacquelineR View Post
i notice a difference if i miss it.
I'm thinking I need to add something. The mornings have been very rough for me lately. I feel completely dead(it's a struggle to lift a finger) when DD wakes me up and she's even been sleeping in till 830-9. I want coffee so bad in the AM but I'm trying like heck to avoid it! This AM I'm sipping on a warmed cup of nettles
post #151 of 261
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Siberian ginseng is ok to take I *think*. I take ashwaganda daily but I'm not sure about that one during pregnancy. What about B vitamins for you?
Thank you! I'm currently taking large doses of B5, B12 and folic acid in addition to a B-100 complex (all but B5 are for TTC). In my supplements alone, I'm getting 127mg B6 (6,350%), 5,606mcg B12 (93,433%), 4,600mcg Folic Acid (1,150%), and 1,725mg B5 (17,250%). I'm also supplementing Vit C, Calcium, Magnesium, Iron and taking Cod Liver Oil as well as Nettles infusion. The supplements help, but the Rhodiola made things even better.

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Originally Posted by JacquelineR View Post
There is ashwaganda, cordyceps and eleuthero in Vital Nutrients Adrenal Support and I took it through my pregnancy (whenever I was able to, anyway ).
Thanks so much. I'll look into this.
post #152 of 261
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Originally Posted by mom61508 View Post
I'm thinking I need to add something. The mornings have been very rough for me lately. I feel completely dead(it's a struggle to lift a finger) when DD wakes me up and she's even been sleeping in till 830-9. I want coffee so bad in the AM but I'm trying like heck to avoid it! This AM I'm sipping on a warmed cup of nettles
It might help but it takes a while (few weeks) and it's subtle.
I've been feeling the same way recently.

Sihaya, what form of folic acid are you taking? In a certain subset of the population (which makes up about 30%), folic acid can't be converted to a usable form. The best forms to take are folinic acid and methyltetrahydrofolate (5-MTHF) which are forms that have already been converted (and are what is found naturally occurring in foods but isn't the form they use in fortified foods or most supps). There's also speculation that the reason for increased cancer rates in some folic acid studies is due to this subset. Just an FYI.
Oh, the subset has a gene mutation called MTHFR (methyltetrahydrofolate reductase) mutation if you want to ask your doctor about it.
I don't have links for it but I'm pretty sure that whoMe and WuWei do.
post #153 of 261
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Originally Posted by JacquelineR View Post
Sihaya, what form of folic acid are you taking?
Most of it (3800mcg) is folic acid. The 800mcg in my prenatal (New Chapter Perfect Prenatal) is unspecified folate. It is supposedly food-based, but I can't be certain whether it's folic acid or not.

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In a certain subset of the population (which makes up about 30%), folic acid can't be converted to a usable form.
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There's also speculation that the reason for increased cancer rates in some folic acid studies is due to this subset. Just an FYI.
Oh, the subset has a gene mutation called MTHFR (methyltetrahydrofolate reductase) mutation if you want to ask your doctor about it.
I was aware of everything quoted above from WuWei's thread in I'm Pregnant. However, all I took from it was that folate from non-food sources = bad and that I should just be eating foods high in folate. There was no mention in what I read (I rarely click through to outside links, so I just read what was in the thread itself) of any way for me to get the megadoses of folic acid that are recommended to women suffering from recurrent miscarriages outside of taking plain old folic acid. I certainly can't get 4-5mg folate from upping my intake of leafy greens (especially since I'm avoiding goitrogenic foods due to my thyroid). Also, even if I switch my folic acid supp to a natural kind, I'll still be getting 1600mcg from other sources because my prenatal, B-complex, and iron supp all have 100-200% folic acid each in them.

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Originally Posted by JacquelineR View Post
The best forms to take are folinic acid and methyltetrahydrofolate (5-MTHF) which are forms that have already been converted (and are what is found naturally occurring in foods but isn't the form they use in fortified foods or most supps).
Thank you so much! This info is completely new to me. If you have brand recommendations for supps of this kind that provide 1-3 mg at a time, I would greatly appreciate it.
post #154 of 261
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Originally Posted by Sihaya View Post
Most of it (3800mcg) is folic acid. The 800mcg in my prenatal (New Chapter Perfect Prenatal) is unspecified folate. It is supposedly food-based, but I can't be certain whether it's folic acid or not.

I was aware of everything quoted above from WuWei's thread in I'm Pregnant. However, all I took from it was that folate from non-food sources = bad and that I should just be eating foods high in folate. There was no mention in what I read (I rarely click through to outside links, so I just read what was in the thread itself) of any way for me to get the megadoses of folic acid that are recommended to women suffering from recurrent miscarriages outside of taking plain old folic acid. I certainly can't get 4-5mg folate from upping my intake of leafy greens (especially since I'm avoiding goitrogenic foods due to my thyroid). Also, even if I switch my folic acid supp to a natural kind, I'll still be getting 1600mcg from other sources because my prenatal, B-complex, and iron supp all have 100-200% folic acid each in them.

Thank you so much! This info is completely new to me. If you have brand recommendations for supps of this kind that provide 1-3 mg at a time, I would greatly appreciate it.
If it's food based, chances are that it's the "proper" form.
I know that Thorne produces it (because my prenatal is half folinic and half 5-MTHF and it's Thorne). The extra folate I'm taking at present is from a company called LifeExtension- it's 1000 mcg of 5-MTHF and I order it from iherb. I believe there's another brand called Metagenics which also produces a 5-MTHF supp.
It drives me a little bit crazy that they seem to throw it in everything a woman takes prenatally. Never mind the food supply. Ah well. Anyway. I hope those sources will help. eta: And I'm sorry for the losses you've experienced.
post #155 of 261
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Originally Posted by mom61508 View Post
I'm thinking I need to add something. The mornings have been very rough for me lately. I feel completely dead(it's a struggle to lift a finger) when DD wakes me up and she's even been sleeping in till 830-9. I want coffee so bad in the AM but I'm trying like heck to avoid it! This AM I'm sipping on a warmed cup of nettles
Nettles infusions.

steep overnight and energize in the am.

Pat
post #156 of 261
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Originally Posted by Sihaya View Post
Most of it (3800mcg) is folic acid. The 800mcg in my prenatal (New Chapter Perfect Prenatal) is unspecified folate. It is supposedly food-based, but I can't be certain whether it's folic acid or not.

I was aware of everything quoted above from WuWei's thread in I'm Pregnant. However, all I took from it was that folate from non-food sources = bad and that I should just be eating foods high in folate. There was no mention in what I read (I rarely click through to outside links, so I just read what was in the thread itself) of any way for me to get the megadoses of folic acid that are recommended to women suffering from recurrent miscarriages outside of taking plain old folic acid. I certainly can't get 4-5mg folate from upping my intake of leafy greens (especially since I'm avoiding goitrogenic foods due to my thyroid). Also, even if I switch my folic acid supp to a natural kind, I'll still be getting 1600mcg from other sources because my prenatal, B-complex, and iron supp all have 100-200% folic acid each in them.

Thank you so much! This info is completely new to me. If you have brand recommendations for supps of this kind that provide 1-3 mg at a time, I would greatly appreciate it.
You don't need 3-5 mg of FOLATE. The recommendation of mega doses of folic acid is due to the poor conversion of folic acid to a usable form. The recent/historical belief had been that folic acid was equivalent to FOLATE. New research indicates this is not the case. Furthermore, synthetic folic acid blocks the receptors for real food FOLATE.

You only need to consume approximately 2-3 cups (total per day) of greens, beans, legumes or liver to get adequate food FOLATE.

I would not supplement with megadoses of folic acid during pregnancy.


Pat
post #157 of 261
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Originally Posted by Sihaya View Post
Thank you so much! This info is completely new to me. If you have brand recommendations for supps of this kind that provide 1-3 mg at a time, I would greatly appreciate it.
I agree with JR's rec for Thorne products but I wanted to mention that I love Megafoods BloodBuilder for iron and their B-Complex, which also contain folate (food form).
post #158 of 261
Can I recover from severe adrenal fatigue without seeing a medical doctor?

I'm pretty sure adrenal fatigue is what is going on with me. The only time I can function like a normal human being is when I'm on prednisone which has happened all too frequently in the last five years, including being on it for an extended period of time when I was pregnant with my second child. Even with prednisone, having a halfway decent energy level doesn't last long. I could write a novel-length post on the causative factors over the last eight years, but the most significant was severe sleep deprivation and stress over having an extremely ill child who didn't eat or sleep for six and a half years and then a second child with PDD. First I thought it was just my thyroid but now with that taken care of, I've got brain fog to beat the band and a whole litany of miseries which boil down to exhaustion and zero motivation. I continually feel like a 100 watt bulb on a dimmer switch to about 10 watts.

I need a new PCP but I don't even have the energy at this point to find someone who isn't going to tell me that anti-depressants are the solution to any and all problems. Money, too, of course, is an issue in terms of not having it to pay a lot out of pocket to a doctor who doesn't take insurance. I'm taking adrenal glandulars and they help a little and I've just ordered herbal supplements.

Also, anyone want to weigh in on adrenal glandulars with hormones present versus those without? How do the ones without hormones manage to still retain enzymes?
post #159 of 261
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Originally Posted by WuWei View Post
You don't need 3-5 mg of FOLATE. The recommendation of mega doses of folic acid is due to the poor conversion of folic acid to a usable form. The recent/historical belief had been that folic acid was equivalent to FOLATE. New research indicates this is not the case. Furthermore, synthetic folic acid blocks the receptors for real food FOLATE.

You only need to consume approximately 2-3 cups (total per day) of greens, beans, legumes or liver to get adequate food FOLATE.

I would not supplement with megadoses of folic acid during pregnancy.


Pat
I would slightly disagree, in that, for people who've got a backlog of need for folate, I'd go with a folate supp (the Thorne supps are easy to buy online, and affordable) as well as food sources. I wouldn't rely just on food sources in that pre-TTC/TTC/early pregnancy phase. I'm not sure what the recs would be if someone looked at people with MTHFR issues taking real folate, maybe 2x the RDA in supplemental folate? That's just a guess, really.

But that's not why I popped in here... I think my blood pressure is going up! I'm starting to get readings that are around 100/65 or 100/70... I hope it's not just a fluke, but hey, even if it is, I haven't seen BP that high in, well, a few years now. I've been stuck in the range of 85/55 or 90/60 -ish for quite a while now, and it just wasn't budging.

Progress! Woo-hoo!

And I haven't even been doing the things I should--I've been skipping my chunks of liver (those help with energy, I like them, and the flavor is a LOT better than I anticipated), I've been seriously slacking on my nettles infusions (can't tell if those help so much, but they are strangely appealing), and I've slipped back onto the caffeine bandwagon again.

But now I'm feeling inspired to change all that, and get to bed early--I think I may be on the verge of feeling like a normal person (if I take a lot more care of myself than normal people have to).

post #160 of 261
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Can I recover from severe adrenal fatigue without seeing a medical doctor?

I'm pretty sure adrenal fatigue is what is going on with me. The only time I can function like a normal human being is when I'm on prednisone which has happened all too frequently in the last five years, including being on it for an extended period of time when I was pregnant with my second child. Even with prednisone, having a halfway decent energy level doesn't last long. I could write a novel-length post on the causative factors over the last eight years, but the most significant was severe sleep deprivation and stress over having an extremely ill child who didn't eat or sleep for six and a half years and then a second child with PDD. First I thought it was just my thyroid but now with that taken care of, I've got brain fog to beat the band and a whole litany of miseries which boil down to exhaustion and zero motivation. I continually feel like a 100 watt bulb on a dimmer switch to about 10 watts.

I need a new PCP but I don't even have the energy at this point to find someone who isn't going to tell me that anti-depressants are the solution to any and all problems. Money, too, of course, is an issue in terms of not having it to pay a lot out of pocket to a doctor who doesn't take insurance. I'm taking adrenal glandulars and they help a little and I've just ordered herbal supplements.

Also, anyone want to weigh in on adrenal glandulars with hormones present versus those without? How do the ones without hormones manage to still retain enzymes?
I don't think many here are seeing medical doctors. I am working with an acupuncturist, she's helped me figure out my issues--why I have adrenal issues, working on healing those problems while supporting my adrenals, like that. The better you can figure that out, the easier it'll be to heal, but it sounds like you've got a good start.

I am not actually taking adrenal glandulars anymore because, well, I didn't notice a big difference with or without. Probably wasn't taking a high enough dosage but I just muddled through working on my underlying issues and I think I'm healing (would do better if I got to bed on time each night).
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