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Originally Posted by tanyalynn View Post
I would slightly disagree, in that, for people who've got a backlog of need for folate, I'd go with a folate supp (the Thorne supps are easy to buy online, and affordable) as well as food sources. I wouldn't rely just on food sources in that pre-TTC/TTC/early pregnancy phase. I'm not sure what the recs would be if someone looked at people with MTHFR issues taking real folate, maybe 2x the RDA in supplemental folate? That's just a guess, really.

But that's not why I popped in here... I think my blood pressure is going up! I'm starting to get readings that are around 100/65 or 100/70... I hope it's not just a fluke, but hey, even if it is, I haven't seen BP that high in, well, a few years now. I've been stuck in the range of 85/55 or 90/60 -ish for quite a while now, and it just wasn't budging.

Progress! Woo-hoo!

And I haven't even been doing the things I should--I've been skipping my chunks of liver (those help with energy, I like them, and the flavor is a LOT better than I anticipated), I've been seriously slacking on my nettles infusions (can't tell if those help so much, but they are strangely appealing), and I've slipped back onto the caffeine bandwagon again.

But now I'm feeling inspired to change all that, and get to bed early--I think I may be on the verge of feeling like a normal person (if I take a lot more care of myself than normal people have to).

That's great Tanya! I don't notice a difference with Nettle infusions either but I'm continuing them. If only I went get to bed early now
post #162 of 254

Hi.

I probably have adrenal fatigue. I was referred here from my personal growth thread.



I do not feel like I have the energy or the cognitave state to tackle it though.

I had a million blood teste taken by a professional who is a friend as a favor but I couldnt read them and i feel like she didn't completley tell me what my tests said due to liability.

I wonder if you could help me understand how you take the journey when you have such severe symptoms?
post #163 of 254
happydance, I don't mean to be flippant, but you do it one tiny baby step at a time.

The first things I did were read the first post of the original Adrenal Fatigue thread and read this article (I know it's long and the fonts are aggravating, but just read it a little at a time - I think it took me three days to get through it) and then implement changes based on those things. I also started taking my temp three times a day as outlined here (and linked in that long article).

These are all mentioned in what I linked to above, but this is what I did right away:

I made immediate changes to my schedule:
  • In bed from 10pm to 9am even if you can't sleep the whole time. Since this isn't possible for everyone, at least try very hard to be in bed at 10pm. If you have to get up early, a morning nap between 7-9am can be very restorative. If you do wake up during the night, don't get on the computer or watch tv! Either lay in bed or do a non-screen-related activity like reading or taking a bath or something else you find relaxing.
  • Eat something upon waking, then every 2 hours until 2pm. Dinner by 6pm. Bedtime snack if you think you need it. See below for food guidelines.
  • Lay down to rest (pray, meditate, read, do sudoku or crossword puzzles, etc) for 30 minutes (or as long as you can if you can't do the full amount) after breakfast, afternoon snack, and dinner.

And also to my diet:
  • Mix 1tsp salt in a cup cold water. Drink one upon waking and again at 2pm. This gave immediate results the first day I did it.
  • Cut out sugar (except honey and maple syrup) and chocolate (had already cut caffiene/coffee years ago, but recommend it if you haven't)
  • Limit grains and foods high in potassium (bananas are a big one)
  • Make sure to have generous amounts of protein and fat at every meal
  • Don't eat a high-grain breakfast (no pancakes, muffins, oatmeal, etc.) and limit fruits to lunch and dinner only, and in small portions.
  • My lunch is usually a huge salad with lots of veggies and some kind of good fat as a dressing (olive oil or cream-based is good). I sprinkle kelp and dulse flakes for sodium and trace minerals. For protein/fat, I either have hard-boiled eggs or avocado in or with the salad. If you wanted to add chicken, tuna, or fish, that would work, too.
  • Between 4-5pm when it's been a while since my 2pm snack and it's still a ways until dinner but I'm not exactly hungry, I drink a cup of Nettles infusion. I see a huge difference in my energy level and mood if I miss this drink and it gives me an excuse to sit down for a few minutes in between my 'scheduled' rest times to sip and relax.

These initial measures were helpful enough that I had the energy to get my house under control, read more of the thread, check out some books from the library, find some articles online and research supplements as well. I am self-treating for the time being so I didn't want to start taking random supplements or doing things that wouldn't be useful for the stage of fatigue I'm in, but I really did need to see immediate results or I wouldn't be able to do the work necessary to heal.
post #164 of 254
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Originally Posted by Sihaya View Post
happydance, I don't mean to be flippant, but you do it one tiny baby step at a time.
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Thank you for your post.

I need immediete results also - when I read "it takes 1-5 years to heal" I think "Wth?" How would anyone who is suffering with af even go a WEEK on any kind of plan - let alone 5 years! LOL.

I will be checking out those threads since I am on a carb binge and my period and I am pretty much rendered useless today.

(Oh and that sleep schedule sounds FABULOUS but I have 3 small children so its pretty much not going to happen.) I need to go to bed WITH them but I also feel a need to have time to myself - always weighing those options.
post #165 of 254
I completely understand. I have a little one who weaned ~6 months ago and stopped napping at the same time. He goes to bed when I do and usually wakes me up in the morning. It is a struggle to try to get done in 13 hours what most women have 16-18+ to do, but I've decided that my health is paramount and every other thing that can budge (by which I mean housework, hobbies, socializing, etc., NOT kids' needs or spousal relationships) needs to be dropped for the time being. If your 3 all nap or at least will do quiet time while the littlest one(s) do, I would try to nap at least once a day.

ETA: When I started the 10pm-9am schedule, I was not sleeping 11 hours. I was lucky to fall asleep by 11pm and then ended up waking frequently and not being able to get back to sleep for hours. I was getting only 5-6 hours of sleep even if I was laying in bed for 11 hours. If you don't have the trouble falling/staying asleep, as much good solid sleep in a row as you can get will be good for you.
post #166 of 254
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ETA: When I started the 10pm-9am schedule, I was not sleeping 11 hours. I was lucky to fall asleep by 11pm and then ended up waking frequently and not being able to get back to sleep for hours. I was getting only 5-6 hours of sleep even if I was laying in bed for 11 hours. If you don't have the trouble falling/staying asleep, as much good solid sleep in a row as you can get will be good for you.
how long did it take for you to be able to stay asleep?
post #167 of 254
my kids wake me up at least once - usually many x every night.
post #168 of 254
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how long did it take for you to be able to stay asleep?
Until I found a sleep remedy that worked for me. And I went through a lot of trial and error first!

I cut off computer and tv starting at 8pm; instituted an hour-long bedtime routine including epsom salt bath, reading, listening to soft music, and writing in my journal; took Rescue Remedy Sleep; took Hyland's Calms Forte; tried the "Hibernation Diet" 1-2 tbsp raw honey before bed; drank Chamomile and Lemon Balm teas separately and together; bought an eye mask and earplugs; tried Valerian tincture; tried Skullcap tincture when I ran out of Valerian before grocery day.

What works for me is 40 drops of Valerian tincture before bed and relaxing (even if that means tv or computer) for a while before going to bed. I don't usually need the eye mask or earplugs to fall asleep, but when I wake up in the middle of the night, they help me fall asleep again much more quickly (We live in the country and cover all windows with heavy blankets at night, but I still need even blacker darkness to sleep well). Every other thing I tried has since been dropped because it either didn't do much one way or the other, or (in the case of the honey) made things worse.

ETA: I never tried melatonin. I'm not comfortable supplementing hormones without a doctor's input and am already supplementing progesterone, but I would recommend most people with AF or serious problems sleeping look into it because I have heard that it can be extremely helpful.
post #169 of 254
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Originally Posted by Sihaya View Post
I definitely have severe Adrenal Fatigue. I started taking Rhodiola tincture a few weeks ago and have seen amazing results from it! Unfortunately, I need to stop taking it because we are TTC this month and I've read that it isn't safe while pg or nursing.

Is there something else I can take that is safe that I can expect similar results from? I've heard of Ashwaganda, Shatavari, and a couple other adaptogens, but would like to hear from other mamas dealing with AF as to which ones they've found to be effective that are also safe during pg/nursing.
Hi Shiya--

I used rhodiola for almost a year with minimal return, but have had _great_ luck with ashwaganda. I'm not sure why, but the results were so quick and palpable it's hard to trust them, lol. I started several months back, I still take it and still feel it works for me. The brand I use is "Avesta" and it's a pill,not a tincture.

hth

eta: sorry for misspelling your name Sihaya!!
post #170 of 254
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Until I found a sleep remedy that worked for me. And I went through a lot of trial and error first!

ETA: I never tried melatonin. I'm not comfortable supplementing hormones without a doctor's input and am already supplementing progesterone, but I would recommend most people with AF or serious problems sleeping look into it because I have heard that it can be extremely helpful.
I use a very low dose of melatonin on occasion (a 300 mcg peppermint chewable from Trader Joe's) and find it very effective. I need to take it by 8 or 9 pm-- any higher dosage or later dosing time and I'm dopey for much of the next day. Chamomile/ Valerian sleepy type teas also help me, as does magnesium, either orally or in an epsom bath.

(I also try my best to practice all the sleep hygiene ideas listed here, esp when I first started adressing my adrenal issues.)

ETA: using my progesterone cream at night also helps me relax.
post #171 of 254
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Hi Shiya--

I used rhodiola for almost a year with minimal return, but have had _great_ luck with ashwaganda. I'm not sure why, but the results were so quick and palpable it's hard to trust them, lol. I started several months back, I still take it and still feel it works for me. The brand I use is "Avesta" and it's a pill,not a tincture.

hth
Thanks for your input! I started Ashwaganda the same day as progesterone for TTC so I don't really know whether it's working or not yet. I took my last dose of progesterone for this cycle last night so I'll know soon if the Ashwaganda really helps or not.

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ETA: using my progesterone cream at night also helps me relax.
When I am on progesterone for TTC (200mg Prometrium inserted vaginally), I don't need to take my sleep remedies, or be as strict with my diet, schedule, or other supplements. I can't wait until I'm pg again because I remember feeling just fabulous when I was pg with DS (due to extra progesterone and probably also stealing cortisol from the baby )
post #172 of 254
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Originally Posted by Sihaya View Post
happydance,

And also to my diet:[LIST][*] Mix 1tsp salt in a cup cold water. Drink one upon waking and again at 2pm. This gave immediate results the first day I did it.
Fabulous post and I concur with everything.

I did want to say I do salt dosing a little differently cos I found this way was hard for me. I dissolve the salt in a small amount of water (1/8- 1/4 c), take it quickly, and follow it with a big glass of plain water. The other way made me a little sick to my stomach. I do use sea salt, but I don't honestly know that it matters.

And I agree-- immediately I feel better.
post #173 of 254
salt - why salt? Does it need to contain iodine? Or just straight sea salt? blech - I will do it like you dham. LOL. shudder. sugar? I can do. Salt? ewww.
post #174 of 254
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salt - why salt? Does it need to contain iodine? Or just straight sea salt? blech - I will do it like you dham. LOL. shudder. sugar? I can do. Salt? ewww.
I would do a high quality sea salt for sure.


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It may be of additional benefit that patients add salt to their diet, especially upon rising and at least a half-hour before their lowest energy point of the day. (Preferably, 1/8 to 1/2 teaspoonful of sea salt, Celtic salt, or sea salt w/kelp powder added to an 8 oz glass of water). In adrenal fatigue, one should not follow the USDA’s Food Guide Pyramid, as these patients tolerate fewer carbohydrates and need more protein.
The addition of nutritional supplements may also offer additional benefits to patients experiencing adrenal fatigue. They should consider the addition of:

Vitamin C 2,000-4,000 mg/day Sustained Release
Vitamin E w/mixed tocopherols 800 IU/day
Vitamin B complex
Niacin (125-150 mg/day) – as inositol hexaniacinate
B-6 (150 mg/day)
Pantothenic acid (1200-1500 mg/day)
Magnesium citrate (400-1200 mg)
Liquid trace minerals (zinc, manganese, selenium, chromium, molybdenum, copper, iodine)– calming effect
If depression is present – Add SAM.e 200 mg bid; DL-Phenylalanine (DLPA) 500 mg bid
OOOpppss here's the link http://www.projectaware.org/Resource...lfatigue.shtml
post #175 of 254
From where is that quote, mom61508?
post #176 of 254
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Originally Posted by JacquelineR View Post
From where is that quote, mom61508?
There ya go
post #177 of 254
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There ya go

Thanks!
post #178 of 254
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Originally Posted by mom61508 View Post
I would do a high quality sea salt for sure.



OOOpppss here's the link http://www.projectaware.org/Resource...lfatigue.shtml
The link doesn't seem to work for me...help?
post #179 of 254
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First I thought it was just my thyroid but now with that taken care of, I've got brain fog to beat the band and a whole litany of miseries which boil down to exhaustion and zero motivation. I continually feel like a 100 watt bulb on a dimmer switch to about 10 watts.

Also, anyone want to weigh in on adrenal glandulars with hormones present versus those without? How do the ones without hormones manage to still retain enzymes?
I can totally relate to the light bulb reference. I've been taking glandulars for a while now, but after ds' birth (3rd) it took me agonizingly long to recover. So exhausted, ALL DAY. My ND suggested I increase my glandulars from one tab 3x/day to two tabs 3x/day. This is just my own experience with it, but it helped tremendously! It took a few weeks to get here but I finally have some energy back. No longer wanting to sleep all day. I think it also helps that I am eating less sugar/refined junk, and have started healing my gut w/fermented foods, etc. I've been on this AF roller coaster for 8 years, and I honestly didn't think it would make such a big difference to double my daily dose. FWIW...

What glandulars are you taking right now?
post #180 of 254
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The link doesn't seem to work for me...help?
That is so weird I just tried it and it took me to a ocean site

I'll try to link a different article then maybe you can find the article I posted.

Try this
http://www.project-aware.org/DocsCorner/index.shtml
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