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post #81 of 261
wow I slept until 8am. Hopefully this will help me feel better this afternoon. I'm going to try taking half my thyroid med this afternoon, too.
post #82 of 261
Yeah, the funny thing is, I didn't have digestive issues either, and gluten was still a problem for me. Never would've guessed it without a HCP to tell me what was going on.

Just to throw it out there (not sure how far back either of you have read), my story is that it turns out that I don't deal well with the mercury in my amalgam fillings. It's not everyone's issue--my husband, for example, rocks at detoxification, he doesn't accumulate this stuff like I do. He had amalgams and they NEVER would've caused him the types of issues I was having. So my history of allergies, anxiety, depression, hypothyroidism, and general fatigue/ickiness was kicked off when my amalgams were placed when I was about 11yo. That's what I had to identify (full disclosure, I found a GREAT HCP who said "I know what's going on with you, Tanya") and start working on, and that helped with the other stuff.

Though nutrients IME were big for thyroid function--ithyroid.com is a great site to read about the nutrients our thyroids need to function--get low on them (zinc, selenium--an important one esp for Hashi's, iodine, extra B vits), and well, your thyroid won't make enough hormone. Ultimately figuring out _why_ you're low on these nutrients is important, but it helped put pieces together for me.


Tanya, it is good know you have a great HCP. I will visit the ithyroid.com website. I take zinc, for selenium I take 1brazil nut everyday. I don't have any idea of what to take for B complex.

Thank you,
Sarada
post #83 of 261
Thorne makes some nice multivits and B complexes with real folate (not just folic acid) and it's easy to buy online.
post #84 of 261
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Originally Posted by TanyaLopez View Post
That makes it harder to figure things out, but still doable. I cut out gluten and dairy at the same time, I think that was important for me--not sure if either alone would've helped. That said--my DH didn't feel better gfcf, but his body works differently. I think both are problematic for him, but just removing those wasn't enough. GFCF and lower carb (not truly low carb, but almost grain-free, lots of veggies and animal products, seems to be the trick for him), so there's some guess-and-check involved in this.

So many people with thyroid issues seem to have gluten issues as well, I'd really consider it. Here's a really cool blog that is well-cited, that discusses grains and gluten in particular, maybe something will jump out at you.

http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/



Yeah, the funny thing is, I didn't have digestive issues either, and gluten was still a problem for me. Never would've guessed it without a HCP to tell me what was going on.

Just to throw it out there (not sure how far back either of you have read), my story is that it turns out that I don't deal well with the mercury in my amalgam fillings. It's not everyone's issue--my husband, for example, rocks at detoxification, he doesn't accumulate this stuff like I do. He had amalgams and they NEVER would've caused him the types of issues I was having. So my history of allergies, anxiety, depression, hypothyroidism, and general fatigue/ickiness was kicked off when my amalgams were placed when I was about 11yo. That's what I had to identify (full disclosure, I found a GREAT HCP who said "I know what's going on with you, Tanya") and start working on, and that helped with the other stuff.

Though nutrients IME were big for thyroid function--ithyroid.com is a great site to read about the nutrients our thyroids need to function--get low on them (zinc, selenium--an important one esp for Hashi's, iodine, extra B vits), and well, your thyroid won't make enough hormone. Ultimately figuring out _why_ you're low on these nutrients is important, but it helped put pieces together for me.
Tanya-going to hit up that website you gave me about gluten. Maybe I should give it another go. Curious, Do you know a lot about Hashis? BTW the info you gave me was so intersting on the kidneys
post #85 of 261
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Tanya-going to hit up that website you gave me about gluten. Maybe I should give it another go. Curious, Do you know a lot about Hashis? BTW the info you gave me was so intersting on the kidneys
I don't know a lot, to me Hashi's doesn't seem that much different than plain ol' hypothyroidism except for the antibodies. There's a study that showed selenium supplementation, 200mcg/day, significantly reduced antibodies, so I have to wonder if, for some of us, the difference is how low we are in selenium (selenium's also key for converting T4 to T3, so if you took Synthroid and your bloodwork was fine but you felt crappy, supplemental selenium may help). Adrenal stress can also cause similar symptoms, and some people find that their adrenals get worse if they don't support them and they do do thyroid support--not everyone, but things to consider when thyroid supplementation doesn't have the desired results.

You'd want to consider other autoimmune stuff, celiac would be an obvious one, that could be contributing to immune dysfunction. If you've got other stuff going on that's strange, looking into other autoimmune possibilities would make sense, but if it's pretty straightforward hypo symptoms and adrenal symptoms, I'd probably go with extra selenium, and regular hypo and adrenal approaches.
post #86 of 261
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Originally Posted by TanyaLopez View Post
I don't know a lot, to me Hashi's doesn't seem that much different than plain ol' hypothyroidism except for the antibodies. There's a study that showed selenium supplementation, 200mcg/day, significantly reduced antibodies, so I have to wonder if, for some of us, the difference is how low we are in selenium (selenium's also key for converting T4 to T3, so if you took Synthroid and your bloodwork was fine but you felt crappy, supplemental selenium may help). Adrenal stress can also cause similar symptoms, and some people find that their adrenals get worse if they don't support them and they do do thyroid support--not everyone, but things to consider when thyroid supplementation doesn't have the desired results.

You'd want to consider other autoimmune stuff, celiac would be an obvious one, that could be contributing to immune dysfunction. If you've got other stuff going on that's strange, looking into other autoimmune possibilities would make sense, but if it's pretty straightforward hypo symptoms and adrenal symptoms, I'd probably go with extra selenium, and regular hypo and adrenal approaches.
I took armour then naturthroid then went off the meds because I swung into hyper. I'm definitely not celiac but sensitive maybe but like I said I cut gluten out for 6 weeks and didn't notice a difference so that makes me hesitant to try again. The thing that's strange is I have no hyper symptoms except irregualr heartbeat but have had that since I was 16. I know my adrenals really suffering. But can't seem to get anywhere with my ND Don't want to get to into thyroid here but the thyroid thread isn't very hoppin
post #87 of 261
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I took armour then naturthroid then went off the meds because I swung into hyper. I'm definitely not celiac but sensitive maybe but like I said I cut gluten out for 6 weeks and didn't notice a difference so that makes me hesitant to try again. The thing that's strange is I have no hyper symptoms except irregualr heartbeat but have had that since I was 16. I know my adrenals really suffering. But can't seem to get anywhere with my ND Don't want to get to into thyroid here but the thyroid thread isn't very hoppin
It's actually really typical to get "hyper" symptoms when you start/take Armour or it's alternatives- ESPECIALLY if your adrenals aren't up to par. All of the thyroid meds state explicitly that you should not take them if your adrenals aren't functioning appropriately (or something similar, can't remember the exact quote).
Some of the thyroid symptoms seem to jump the fence as they "feel" like it too. I believe there are some women in the thyroid thread who've experienced rapid heartbeat from hypo.
post #88 of 261
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It's actually really typical to get "hyper" symptoms when you start/take Armour or it's alternatives- ESPECIALLY if your adrenals aren't up to par. All of the thyroid meds state explicitly that you should not take them if your adrenals aren't functioning appropriately (or something similar, can't remember the exact quote).
Some of the thyroid symptoms seem to jump the fence as they "feel" like it too. I believe there are some women in the thyroid thread who've experienced rapid heartbeat from hypo.
Isn't it typical when you have Hashis to swing from hypo to hyper tho?? My heartbeat rarely feels rapid. It's skips beat though. It's done that for years. I won't go on naturthroid again that's for sure although it did help for a short time. What are you doing for your adrenals/thyroid?I think I remember that you have hashis? I like to hear what others are doing.
post #89 of 261
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Isn't it typical when you have Hashis to swing from hypo to hyper tho?? My heartbeat rarely feels rapid. It's skips beat though. It's done that for years. I won't go on naturthroid again that's for sure although it did help for a short time. What are you doing for your adrenals/thyroid?I think I remember that you have hashis? I like to hear what others are doing.
Yes, I do have Hashi's. I'm on Armour/desiccated thyroid (was Naturethroid for a while, now compounded thyroid) as well as Adrenal Support supplement, B complex, prenatal, vitamin D, cal/mag supp, selenium (helps to decrease antibodies) and a bunch of others... Also gluten (there are studies saying it may increase antibodies), dairy, soy/goitrogen, and other free or limited usually.
My heart was the same way. It's adrenal related.
I've heard it is, but I'm still waiting for a hyper period nearly 2 years post-dx.
At this point, I'm trying to optimize my nutrition (through supplements for now but working on dietary changes again as well), get sufficient rest and reduce/manage stress.
post #90 of 261
I used to have skipped beats, since I was a kid/teens (don't remember exactly), it's gone away now that I've supplemented magnesium a while. I also had periodic racing episodes, but I didn't know about them except for a doc finding them with testing, so I don't know if they're gone. But I'm wondering if they were a different mag deficiency related weirdness. But I didn't feel panicky or anxious or anything, so I'm not sure it's the same. But most everyone could use more magnesium, particularly the people who post to threads in H&H.
post #91 of 261
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I used to have skipped beats, since I was a kid/teens (don't remember exactly), it's gone away now that I've supplemented magnesium a while. I also had periodic racing episodes, but I didn't know about them except for a doc finding them with testing, so I don't know if they're gone. But I'm wondering if they were a different mag deficiency related weirdness. But I didn't feel panicky or anxious or anything, so I'm not sure it's the same. But most everyone could use more magnesium, particularly the people who post to threads in H&H.
dh had a racy heart (even in the middle of an echocardiogram)... anxiety... panic attacks... all went away when he (a) cut back on caffeine (b) cut back on junk food (c) added a whopping magnesium supplement and (d) started working on his adrenals (he uses Adrenergize). of course, he's in a pretty high-stress job and our work is always teetering on the edge of "are we going to exist next year or not?" so he doesn't see himself going off the adrenergize any time soon.
post #92 of 261
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Yes, I do have Hashi's. I'm on Armour/desiccated thyroid (was Naturethroid for a while, now compounded thyroid) as well as Adrenal Support supplement, B complex, prenatal, vitamin D, cal/mag supp, selenium (helps to decrease antibodies) and a bunch of others... Also gluten (there are studies saying it may increase antibodies), dairy, soy/goitrogen, and other free or limited usually.
My heart was the same way. It's adrenal related.
I've heard it is, but I'm still waiting for a hyper period nearly 2 years post-dx.
At this point, I'm trying to optimize my nutrition (through supplements for now but working on dietary changes again as well), get sufficient rest and reduce/manage stress.
Which adrenal supplement are you taking? I'm taking adrecor but I'm not crazy about it. I don't like taking synthetics really. I love herbs but they take so long to work for adrenal issues. I'm going to be cutting out gluten again once we get settled. Are you just taking brazil nuts for your selenium? Thanks for being cool with my 20 questions
post #93 of 261
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Originally Posted by TanyaLopez View Post
I used to have skipped beats, since I was a kid/teens (don't remember exactly), it's gone away now that I've supplemented magnesium a while. I also had periodic racing episodes, but I didn't know about them except for a doc finding them with testing, so I don't know if they're gone. But I'm wondering if they were a different mag deficiency related weirdness. But I didn't feel panicky or anxious or anything, so I'm not sure it's the same. But most everyone could use more magnesium, particularly the people who post to threads in H&H.
I did mag(natural calm) for awhile but didn't notice a different in my heart. But man did that stuff make me nauseas!!!
post #94 of 261
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Which adrenal supplement are you taking? I'm taking adrecor but I'm not crazy about it. I don't like taking synthetics really. I love herbs but they take so long to work for adrenal issues. I'm going to be cutting out gluten again once we get settled. Are you just taking brazil nuts for your selenium? Thanks for being cool with my 20 questions
I take Vital Nutrients' Adrenal Support. DS2 reacts to nuts through bm so I don't eat nuts (except for pine nuts) so I also get selenium through Vital Nutrients. I take a LOT of supplements. If I could replace the selenium with brazil nuts, I'd be ecstatic.
I like the VN Adrenal supp. It's not something I realize is "working" until I stop taking it, iykwim. It's a glandular though, so if that's against your beliefs or whatever, it wouldn't work for you.
One thing that really reduced stress for me, in hindsight, was adding milk thistle, vitamin E and magnesium- I'm not sure which one's to "blame" for sure though because I added them all at the same time.

eta: that link is just the first one I found for VN's Adrenal Support and I'm in no way affiliated with it.
post #95 of 261
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I take Vital Nutrients' Adrenal Support. DS2 reacts to nuts through bm so I don't eat nuts (except for pine nuts) so I also get selenium through Vital Nutrients. I take a LOT of supplements. If I could replace the selenium with brazil nuts, I'd be ecstatic.
I like the VN Adrenal supp. It's not something I realize is "working" until I stop taking it, iykwim. It's a glandular though, so if that's against your beliefs or whatever, it wouldn't work for you.
One thing that really reduced stress for me, in hindsight, was adding milk thistle, vitamin E and magnesium- I'm not sure which one's to "blame" for sure though because I added them all at the same time.

eta: that link is just the first one I found for VN's Adrenal Support and I'm in no way affiliated with it.
Thanks for the info. I'm actually all for glandulars BUT since I'm in a hyper state my ND advised against it. I'm taking milk thistle now as well but not E or Mag. I wonder why ND's don't tell you to take these vitamins and minerals it's so frustrating! I'm currently doing acupuncture sowe will see how that goes. Do you take iodine?
post #96 of 261
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Thanks for the info. I'm actually all for glandulars BUT since I'm in a hyper state my ND advised against it. I'm taking milk thistle now as well but not E or Mag. I wonder why ND's don't tell you to take these vitamins and minerals it's so frustrating! I'm currently doing acupuncture sowe will see how that goes. Do you take iodine?
This is an adrenal glandular not thyroid.
I just started very low (75 mcg/day) iodine supplementation bc we don't use iodized salt and don't eat much for sea food. I don't trust that we're getting the RDA from food sources and think we need more than that to flush out halides from everyday exposure while supplying what our body needs for normal use anyway.
post #97 of 261
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This is an adrenal glandular not thyroid.
I just started very low (75 mcg/day) iodine supplementation bc we don't use iodized salt and don't eat much for sea food. I don't trust that we're getting the RDA from food sources and think we need more than that to flush out halides from everyday exposure while supplying what our body needs for normal use anyway.
Oh yes I know it's a adrenal glandular that's what she said she didn't want me taking..hmmmmm We eat seafood moderately but only use sea salt. What kind of iodine are you using?
post #98 of 261
Question for you wise ladies: I am begining to have hyper symptoms, despite being on the same dose of Armour for about 6 months. Could my thyroid be 'kicking into gear' again, so to speak, because I am treating my (suspected) adrenal fatigue? I am going to the doc Thursday for testing of my TSH, free T3 and free T4. Is there anything else I should have him test?

Thanks in advance.
post #99 of 261
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Question for you wise ladies: I am begining to have hyper symptoms, despite being on the same dose of Armour for about 6 months. Could my thyroid be 'kicking into gear' again, so to speak, because I am treating my (suspected) adrenal fatigue? I am going to the doc Thursday for testing of my TSH, free T3 and free T4. Is there anything else I should have him test?

Thanks in advance.
What symptoms are you having? I went into hyper state while on naturthroid as well and I stopped the med which my ND told me was a wise idea. I knew I went into a hyper state because my thyroid would pulsate and started to enlarge again. Do you have hashis?
post #100 of 261
I am having anxiety and insomnia mostly, feeling 'on edge' and jittery, with no known cause or trigger. This has been happening for about 3 days. I see my doctor Thursday.

I was wondering if taking care of my adrenals over the last several months (and praying for healing/visualization) has somehow sent a message to my thyroid to start working again?

What exactly would I have tested to see if I have Hashis? I don't believe I do (I've had tests out the wazzoo for this, my doc is not just a TSH'er), but maybe we missed something.

I know thyroid meds are not indicated if one has adrenal fatigue or stressed adrenals, and that is where my doctor seems somewhat mainstream. He didn't address AF (and to be fair, at the time I had not explored it yet either).

Thank you for your help!
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