Vaccinating after 2yrs

[mkmoro311]

So to avoid confrontation I've been stringing along my husband and Ped Dr. that we would consider vaxin once the baby turned 2. Well 2 is almist here and I still have no intention of vaxing. What do I tell them now to make it educational and convincing w/o confrontation?

[Emmeline II]

So to avoid confrontation I've been stringing along my husband and Ped Dr. that we would consider vaxin once the baby turned 2. Well 2 is almist here and I still have no intention of vaxing. What do I tell them now to make it educational and convincing w/o confrontation?

When we got to this point, I said that "based on the research I have done, I believe that it would be harmful to vaccinate our children. If you do not agree YOU need to research it for yourself and convince me that injecting them with these prophylactic drugs is in their best interest." Fortunately, by that point dh was into researching everything...he came back a couple months later and said that I was right .

There is a good lecture by Dr. Tenpenny below.

Here are some questions to answer for yourself in deciding about vax.

1. Name of the disease
2. Description of the disease
3. Length of time from initial infection to end of all symptoms
4. Infectious period
5. Normal symptoms of the disease
6. Known serious consequences of the disease
7. Proportion of persons infected developing serious consequences
8. Transmission route of the disease
9. Prevalence of the disease
10. Treatments of the disease and efficacy of those treatments
11. Relevant research about the disease
12. Name of the vaccine
13. Company that makes the vaccine
14. Contents of the vaccine
14A. The significance of whether or not the vaccine is live
15. History of development of the vaccine
16. Known side-effects of the vaccine and rate of incidence of those side-effects
17. Possible side-effects not yet acknowledged by the vaccine maker
18. Relevant research into the vaccine
19. How effective is the vaccine at preventing the disease?
20.What is the vaccine meant to do? (Many vaccines are not meant to prevent infection or transmission).
21.Number of cases reported each year.
22.Number of deaths reported each year from the vaccine and natural disease.

Here are some sources to help you out:


Vaccines-The Risks, the Benefits, the Choices DVD, By Sherri J. TENPENNY
YOUTUBE: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7018835240451107552


http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/mmwr_wk.html (download the current issue)
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pin...k-chapters.htm
http://vaers.hhs.gov/pdf/PackageInserts.pdf
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...40451107552&q=
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...87981735&hl=en
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pin...ses&deaths.pdf

Health Sentinel Graphs

WHO GRAPH

Vaccine Injury Table

Beyond Conformity Resources Page
Do you have a quick-fire summary?

Inside Vaccines

[mkmoro311]

Thanks, I like that questions list!

[NCmama]

I don't have links, and I am sure someone here can answer better than me. But I think it is China that waits until children are 2 to vaccinate because the blood brain barrier is more developed and they have a much lower incidence of autism, ADHD, allergies, ect, ect. That has always been my rational for waiting and even then I told the peds we'll get one each visit and you can pick which one you think is the most important. (and really he was almost 3 then).

Our peds is very tolerant of my wishes and I get a harder time from the nurses than I ever have from the drs. Even when he had emergency surgery at one year, none of the drs had anything to say about him not being vaccinated.

[Emmeline II]

I don't have China, but I have others http://www.euvac.net/graphics/euvac/...ccination.html

[Gitti]

Originally Posted by mkmoro311

So to avoid confrontation I've been stringing along my husband and Ped Dr. that we would consider vaxin once the baby turned 2. Well 2 is almist here and I still have no intention of vaxing. What do I tell them now to make it educational and convincing w/o confrontation?

"The only real valuable thing is intuition."—Albert Einstein, 1879-1955


Now it is up to them to prove to you why a healthy 2 yo. should suddenly be injected with toxins which can only interfere with the healthy immune system he has built for himself.

btw, my dd was in the same boat. Her dh is am MD. When the first turned 2 they had a terrible fight (not suggesting that) but that cleared the air. He decided to leave it up to her from then on.The kids are now going on 6 and 4 super healthy and are not vaccinated. Their father just signed the exemption form for Montessori school.

[mkmoro311]

I would be devestated if I got my child vaxed @ 2 yrs and started to see regressions or other serious reactions. My child is so healthy and thrieving and I have other friends with kids the same age, fully vaxed with obvious delays and always sick! I am afraid of my child catching any of the diseases they vax for but I am more affraid of the irreversible side effets the vaxes can cause! That instinct should be good enough reason I believe!

[seashells]

Originally Posted by mkmoro311

So to avoid confrontation I've been stringing along my husband and Ped Dr. that we would consider vaxin once the baby turned 2. Well 2 is almist here and I still have no intention of vaxing. What do I tell them now to make it educational and convincing w/o confrontation?

My two cents is that this is a discussion you have with your DH, absolutely. But please don't bother trying to convince your ped. You and your DH make this decision together. Your ped works for you as your hired medical advisor. If your ped isn't already convinced, you will not convince him. You either tell him "we have decided not to" or you find another ped who is supportive.

[alegna]

Originally Posted by mkmoro311

I am afraid of my child catching any of the diseases they vax for

Really? Any of them? Are you afraid of chickenpox? Flu? You've got a great set of questions to start from. I would research each vaccine and illness individually and go from there.

-Angela

[mkmoro311]

Originally Posted by alegna

Really? Any of them? Are you afraid of chickenpox? Flu? You've got a great set of questions to start from. I would research each vaccine and illness individually and go from there.

-Angela

Of course I'm affraid, who wants their child to feel sick, not me!

[seashells]

Originally Posted by mkmoro311

Of course I'm affraid, who wants their child to feel sick, not me!

Well, being "afraid" of chickenpox is different from not enjoying your child being sick, imho.

Being "afraid" would suggest that you feared serious health consequences, long term damage, disability, death, etc.

Versus "preferring" not to get sick because it's a nuisance.

Also, this is complicated by the question of whether you desire to avoid childhood illnesses as equally as other illnesses. There is evidence to suggest that the so-called childhood illnesses are what our bodies are meant to get as part of a process for building our immune systems. Though I don't think getting the flu is the same; I'm prefer to just avoid.

[bbrandonsmom]

Emmaline-I love that list

Now it is up to them to prove to you why a healthy 2 yo. should suddenly be injected with toxins which can only interfere with the healthy immune system he has built for himself.


op, if you're afraid, the best thing to do is research the actual diseases and treatment. There is a difference in being afraid of something, and then having the knowledge to deal w/ that fear. The same goes for stuff like colds and flu, not just for the childhood diseases. None of us wants to see our kids sick.

[alegna]

Originally Posted by seashells

Well, being "afraid" of chickenpox is different from not enjoying your child being sick, imho.

Being "afraid" would suggest that you feared serious health consequences, long term damage, disability, death, etc.

Versus "preferring" not to get sick because it's a nuisance.

Also, this is complicated by the question of whether you desire to avoid childhood illnesses as equally as other illnesses. There is evidence to suggest that the so-called childhood illnesses are what our bodies are meant to get as part of a process for building our immune systems. Though I don't think getting the flu is the same; I'm prefer to just avoid.

This. I hate when my kids are sick. I think every mom does. BUT I still plan to expose them to chickenpox somewhere along the way.

I'm not *scared* of it at all.

-Angela