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post #1 of 17
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I think it was Beethoven that said only the pure of heart can make a good soup, which I guess means I'm wildly impure, since all of my soups suck.

So come on, pure-hearted folks-- spill the beans on what makes a good broth/soup/stock. From start to finish, I need the tricks of the trade. My particular interests are chicken stock, chicken noodle soup and vegetable soup-- but I'm willing to hear about other kinds, too!
post #2 of 17
i prefer thick soups so when i make something like leek and potato soup, for instance, i use an immersion blender to blend part of the soup but i still leave plenty of big pieces. it's nice and thick with a good texture.

i think it is important to have alot of flavor in soup as well, otherwise i find them rather boring. so if i am going to make something like squash soup, i will probably use curry powder and make curried squash soup.

um...i'll think of more later!
post #3 of 17
I make chicken stock with roasted chicken carcass, onion, carrot, celery, and a splash of apple cider vinegar. I cook it in the crockpot for two days--it's dark and rich that way. I find that whatever soup I make from there makes me pretty happy. Certainly more than when I used store bought stock.

I agree with Katie about adding flavor. It always needs more flavor than I think it will.
post #4 of 17
I make stock in crock pot with just a raw chicken carcass, a splash of apple cider vinegar (when I have it) and obviously water...nothing else! I cook it for anything from a few hours to all day/overnight. For chicken noodle soup I just fry off some onion, add a bit of parsley and the stock, chicken meat and noodles and then whatever else I fancy (chilli, tamari, sesame oil, a beaten egg)....and LOTS of salt!! Veg soup would be onion/leek fried in butter then whatever veg you want chopped up, stock and LOTS of salt!! As you can see I agree with others about flavouring and I think salt (good sea salt though, definitely not table!) is key...it makes a HUGE difference.
post #5 of 17
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post #6 of 17
I love to make soup. Here are a few of our favorites:

Vegetarian chili
Saute lots of chopped onion, peppers (lots of sweet and some spicy), and a little garlic
Add chopped carrots, zucchini, yellow squash and celery
Add cumin, oregano, chili powder, cinnamon to taste
Add canned tomato and chicken or vegetable broth (we use organic, free range chicken broth from trader joes)
Simmer until everything is soft, and then add canned black beans (or homemade cooked beans) and frozen chopped corn
Garnish with cilantro or parsley and a squeeze of lemon juice

Broccoli Cheddar Soup
Saute onion (and some garlic if you like) in butter
Add chopped broccoli and broth and simmer until soft
Puree
Return to pot and add milk and shredded cheese, stir until melted
Add salt and pepper to taste

You can also make this soup with other vegetables, such as potato or tomato and cauliflower

Here are a few links to my favorite soup recipes online:
http://www.wholefoodsmarket.com/reci...?recipeId=1716
http://cookusinterruptus.com/index.php?video_id=146
post #7 of 17
Here's how I do chicken stock:

Break the bones of a roasted chicken carcass, add to pot with quartered onion, TB apple cider vinegar, couple stalks of celery, carrot pieces, 3-4 smashed cloves of garlic, a chopped tomato, 2-3 bay leaves, (fresh if I have it) basil and Mexican oregano, 15 whole Allspice (this is an absolute MUST for me) and S&P.
Slow simmer for 24-36 hours, strain.

If it needs a flavor boost I add a little garlic powder.

This is a great base for, well, everything. I use it for my Salmon Chowder, Chix Noodle soup, tortilla soup, cream soups, everything.

When I use the stock to make a soup, I always add more seasonings according to what else I'm adding... potatoes and squash = much more seasoning, etc.
post #8 of 17
SALT!!!!!

I am convinced that most soups suck because of improper salting. Salt slowly, and watch the flavor develop. stop when it tastes like it will soon taste too salty. Learn how much salt food needs. It helps amazingly but requires practice. Also, use a good sea salt (preferably an unrefined sea salt. but even a refined sea salt will make a difference as compared to say, mortons or other table salt)

The secondary cause is crappy ingrediants. If you use fresh ingrediants and homemade stock and salt properly, your on the road to success. Any cream cannot be ultra high temp pasturized. the higher quality everything the better the taste. If you put in half bad veggies, they will taste bad. (but you can put veggies when they're still fresh if you won't use them in the freezer, and then pop them in the soup).

thirdly, I am of the opinion that every single soup ever should start with onions sauted in fat (chicken fat, butter, beef fat, lard, bacon fat, coconut oil etc. not canola oil or other vegetable fats besides olive or coconut. olive is not ideal flavorwise but is fine. most vegetable fats have no flavor except rancidity. The fat should match the soup, ideally. Soup with pork? use bacon. Dairy soup? use butter. Beef soup? use beef fat. Coconut soup? use coconut oil.) honestly, I've never made a good soup that didn't start with sauted onions (salted to taste).

Also, fat. animal fat is where much of the taste is. don't skim all the fat off your stock, or else add it back in. Add some extra butter. add in some extra chicken fat, or bacon fat (again, whatever suits the soup).

I like to make stock with meaty and gelatinous bones (including chicken feet in chicken, including knuckle bones in beef), leftover onion skins, carrot trimmings (the stem end and the root end), and celery (these are frozen until I need them), and some acid (apple cider vinegar.) this pulls the minerals out of the bones and into the stock. good stock is full of calcium and other minerals. Chicken stock cooks for around 12 hours, beef, for 24 or more hours, at a simmer. Chicken stock I make from roast chicken (just the carcass, I pull the meat off to eat), beef broth is best if you brown or roast the bones first, but I've done without just fine. It increases the depth of flavor to do so however. You can also boil down your stock once strained to concentrate the flavor (or to freeze more compactly)

I told you how I make my chicken stock above. Chicken noodle soup is pasta (I admit, haven't mastered that part in terms of texture, it always ends up overcooked, but then, I'm a fan of soups that can be reheated or stay cooked endlessly almost), sauted onions carrots and celery, cooked chicken meat, good stock, chicken fat, and salt and pepper. (plenty of salt!! it brings out the flavors) That's the base. I love to add sauted greens (yum kale or chard), other veggies, some extra drippings or gravy (big flavor boost if it is gravy made from drippings). I really want to try some barley in it. blanched green beans (just throw them in 3 minutes before you take it off the stove to serve it). any fresh produce. winter squash. potatoes. (admitedly, we're branching out of chicken noodle here into general chunky soups).

Don't over cook the veggies you put in. green beans in soup really can handle maybe even just 1-2 min in the soup to blanch them, they taste very fresh this way. peas would be the same. greens should be sauted first, but just to perfect taste( where they lose their bitterness but retain their color). onions should be sauted (or even caramelized) to sweetness. this can be done in the soup pot, as the stock will then disolve the flavor compounds left on the bottom of the pan. (called deglazing the fond). only startchy vegetables, and mirepoix (celery carrots onions) should be simmered/boiled for a very long time. most things should be nice and fresh. peas and corn can actually be added to bowls as hot soup is poured in, they will add incredible freshness.

pureed soups, I am of the opinion need a recipe. (or at least an ingrediant list). they often have secret ingrediants. butternut squash is amazing if you saute an apple and onion per butternut squash (cooked), and add stock, cook a bit salt and pepper, ginger, or nutmeg, blend and serve with creme fraiche).

good luck. I used to think good soup was hard, and soup was gross, but it turns out, I just had to learn how to make good soup. HTH and isn't overwhelming.
post #9 of 17
I agree with everything magelet said, except my soups all start with onions and garlic sauteed in fat.

I love soup. We eat it almost every day in the fall/winter/spring. Different soups as often as possible.
post #10 of 17
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leftover onion skins, carrot trimmings (the stem end and the root end), and celery (these are frozen until I need them),
this is one of the best stock ideas ive ever heard. i'm going to start saving my ends tomorrow!
post #11 of 17
Starting with a good base is soooo important! When I don't have time to make stock but want to make soup I love to use organic. french onion soup.

I think my best secret to good soups is putting everything (except maybe garlic and herbs other than rosemary. We love garlic, so I add it in towards the end so the flavor is stronger) in the stock/water raw, meat too, letting it all simmer until the veggies are tender. I then take the soup off the burner and let it sit until about 1 hr before dinner, when I heat it up again.

We love basil pesto drizzled over our chicken noodle soup. Just a hint
post #12 of 17
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Originally Posted by Klynne View Post
We love basil pesto drizzled over our chicken noodle soup. Just a hint
Yum!

We often use "toppings" on soup, too. For example, I often serve split pea soup with diced tomatoes and sour cream.
post #13 of 17

Soup needs Roux!

Equal parts butter/fat and flour. Melt butter in the bottom of the pan over low heat - stir in equal part flour until a thick paste, cook for just a couple of minutes then slowly-slowly add your wonderful homemade stock - about a 1/4 cup at a time stirring constantly to keep it lump-free.

I don't waste time on unnecessary cooking fussiness - but I NEVER skip this soup technique!
post #14 of 17
We also save all the "ends" of fresh produce for stock-making. DH cooks more than I do and he keeps a gallon-size freezer bag filled with the veggie parts we don't eat (they are fresh when he puts them in there) for me to use.

I just made chicken bone broth (stock) yesterday:

chicken carcass (from rotisserie chicken; picked mostly clean for a few meals already)
cover with water (in this case, the chicken carcass was frozen, so I just filled the pot halfway, having the fresh water run over the carcass)
half a large lemon squeezed over the carcass (friend gave us a bunch of lemons from her tree; organic homegrown = extra tasty; any acid will do...I usually use vinegar)

I let that sit for awhile in the large pot, then I heated it to a soft boil (more than a simmer; not a full rolling boil). I turned the heat down and kept it simmering for a few hours. Throughout the day, I pushed the bones apart as they heated up so everything was submerged eventually.

I had to leave for awhile, so I closed the valve on our stainless steel lid and turned off the burner (gas). It stayed hot/warm.

When I got back, I brought it up to a soft boil again.

Then, I added several handfuls of frozen (once fresh in our hands) veggie "ends" (broccoli stalk, carrot ends, red bell pepper top, potato peelings, and some others) and got it back to a simmer until about 9 pm.
(P.S. If/when I want to "hide" veggies from the family, I add them to the bone broth during the cooking time at some point after the "ends" get added. DH doesn't even realize alllll the veggies he has eaten! DD is less picky, but even she has no idea! )

I turned off the heat and let it cool a bit, then I strained in through a colander.
(If you want a clear soup, you'll need to skim the "scum" off the stock after bringing the carcass to its original soft boil/simmer period, before adding veggie parts, AND use a finer strainer at the end. We don't care about clear soups, so I don't.)

I fill a six-muffin silicone cupcake "pan" first (on a half-sheet cookie sheet) and freeze. DH uses one "muffin" for each batch of brown/wild rice he cooks. Once I start making more bone broth than we can use fresh, I also use these for soup starters. (I always do this first every time I make bone broth of any kind.)

Then, I filled a glass food container for tonight's soup.

Lastly, I poured the remainder into a mug and shared it with DH. I had forgotten to add any seasonings, but it still tasted yummy! We're pretty sure it is a combination of the rotisserie carcass (still had some skin/fat/meat) and the amazing lemon.
(I usually add whole peppercorns and fresh herbs from our plants and/or neighbors/friends' plants when making bone broth, but save other seasonings for the soup-making process.)

From here, I am going to use the glass container full of stock to make a chicken & rice veggie soup for dinner. I haven't started it yet, but here's the plan (I've done this many times):

In my big pot, sautee butter with fresh garlic and fresh chopped onion. (DH already chopped it for me when he was cooking breakfast this morning. ) Right away the soup and house smells GREAT! No one will be home today when I start it, but when they are...this brings everyone to the kitchen and I put them to work.

Then I pour some of the stock in (how much depends on how dark/concentrated it is; lighter = more; darker = less) and bring to a soft boil. I taste it at this point and almost always add fresh water. I make my bone broth strong to reduce freezer/storage space.

I simmer this while I chop and gather other ingredients.

I start adding the dense/fibrous raw veggies first (carrots, celery, potatoes, yams, etc). We freeze some veggies before cooking, after cutting, specifically for soups and those go in now, too, if they are dense or fibrous. If I am using precooked and frozen bits of meat (chicken tonight), then I get that out and evaluate cooking time based on size of pieces (larger = more cooking time; smaller = less cooking time). If I want a thicker soup and we have leftover white rice of any kind (not that often), I add it early on since it adds texture/thickness as it breaks down from the heat and liquid. (I use leftover brown/wild rice for the "rice" part of my soups and add it much later. If I don't have leftover rice, I generally don't make a rice soup. But, you could always add dry rice at the appropriate point for cooking IN the soup.)

I start adding seasonings to taste now. No matter what kind of soup I am making, I always add fresh ground pepper and sea salt (lots of salt). From there, it is creativity and whim on the seasonings. I use fresh herbs and dried herbs and make up new combinations all the time.

I let the soup simmer for at least a little while at this point, even if I make it close to dinnertime.

Then, I add any leftover cooked veggies and/or cooked brown rice and/or uncooked pasta and/or leftover cooked meat from the fridge and/or quick-cooking veggies.

After it reaches a simmer, I taste it and adjust seasonings as needed. I always try salt first and it usually works like a charm.

Making bone broth or stock is super easy and requires very little effort, IMO, and it makes an excellent base for other foods and is nutritious. I recommend starting there first and getting that down. As long as it doesn't taste BAD, you can use the broth for rice or pasta or soups later (anything that is savory and calls for water). Making soup takes more effort and practice, IMO. It isn't difficult, but practice does improve the taste factor immensely. I make soups mostly to use up leftovers and my family is always happy to eat the soup since it is different than however we originally ate the food.

I do make fast soups in our Vitamix for lunch, too, and those require very little skill or time. I just follow the Vitamix recipe and they turn out good. They are mostly super smooth, so I add leftover cooked veggies to my bowl before pouring the freshly made hot soup in. DD & DH like super smooth foods, so they get theirs without chunky veggies when I make them in the Vitamix.

Enjoy!

ETA: I thought I would add that I pop the bone broth "muffins" out of the silicone "pan" once frozen solid and store them in a glass container or freezer bag in the freezer (depends on what is available and how much room we have). The first time I tried this, I used a regular muffin pan and WHAT A MESS! Mine doesn't flex much and those puppies refused to budge until I set the pan in some water to loosen them. By that time, the water and the partially thawed broth "muffins" made a soup of their own and froze rather awkwardly. I ADORE my silicone "pan" for freezing liquids! Items pop out easily once frozen and the "pan" cleans up in a cinch.
post #15 of 17
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Originally Posted by Magelet View Post
SALT!!!!!

I am convinced that most soups suck because of improper salting. Salt slowly, and watch the flavor develop. stop when it tastes like it will soon taste too salty.
How do you salt slowly? Put a little in, then taste, then put more in?
post #16 of 17
Slow cooked (6-18 hours+) bone broth is the most important thing! Proper seasoning, and make sure to roast things like butternut squash and pumpkin to develop the flavors. Also, saute onions, etc. gently and long enough before adding any liquid.

I make 10 quarts of chicken stock per week (a batch every other day) and I make soup almost every day, but we eat it twice a day. Between stock and soup making, each soup is cooked for at least 7 hours, often 14. Slow food tastes better!

I am on a blended soup kick right now, done in the pot with an immersion blender. DS' current fave is sweet potato, mine is potato leek.

Try white pepper in your lighter colored soups (like potato or asparagus), totally different flavor than black, and DH goes nuts for it!

Don't forget fresh herbs! When I sauteed onion, celery, and fresh sage in butter to start my pumpkin soup for halloween, it was heavenly smelling in my kitchen!

Last but not least, for blended soups at least, don't forget the garnish/toppings! Bacon is a perennial fave here, but creme fraische (or sour cream) goes on almost everything! Fresh herbs like chervil or chives are nice, too.


Good luck!
post #17 of 17
Good stock, plenty of fat, and SALT. I think one of the causes of lousy soup is skimping on the fat and salt. And a really nice roux is terrific, like the PP mentioned, if you want to thicken your soup at all.

Don't use prepackaged fat-free stocks. The flavor is in the fat. If you must use that stuff, add the fat back in with butter, chicken fat, or whatever you have.

Soups improve with time. For a really flavorful one, make it a day ahead, and then reheat it on the day you plan to eat it.

One of my favorite things to do with a soup, especially a chicken or veggie soup, is to bake a butternut squash and puree it with some water, until it's the consistency of jarred baby food, and then add that to the stock. YUMMMY!!!
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