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WWYD if you had only one shot?

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My dh will be home for about 3 1/2 weeks before leaving for another 5-6 months. If my cycles follow the predictions (which they usually do not), I should O at the tail end of the time we have together. I should have one full cycle before that. I'm 39 (40 in March). I have PCOS, a double mutation on my MTHFR gene and recurrent miscarriages. My most recent m/c was in July at 11 weeks, although the baby had died at around 8 weeks.

I'm wondering if I should risk trying herbs like Vitex or Fertilaid or Fertility Blend. If it will help me get and stay pg, that would be great. However, I'm afraid it will change my cycle so much that I won't have a chance while dh is home. My cycles are not regular at all so I can't have any real expectation of Oing while he's home. That's just the prediction FF gives me based on my most recent history. There's a huge margin for error, though. My average O day as of now is cd28 but it has varied from cd12 to cd45 in my last 6 O cycles. I also have periodic anov cycles. I've never tried any herbal fertility blends so I don't know how they'll work on me. Would you risk it or just go with the scripts from the doc that may have less of an effect?

If I had the time to wait and see what, if anything, it does for me and it didn't matter when I Oed, I'd be all over it. However, since I will only have a 3 week window of opportunity, I don't want to do anything that could cause me to not O at all during that time. For example, if I start taking it now and it helps me to O earlier than usual, maybe even at a normal time, it may shift my cycles so much that I don't O at all while dh is here. That's my main concern.

Ok, here's all the specifics I'm worried about. Right now, it's predicted that I will have AF the week that he gets home. That's assuming I O in November when predicted. Then I will, hopefully, O again about 3 weeks later right before dh leaves again.

If I start taking vitex now and it makes me O 2 weeks early on cd14 and have a 14 day lp (2 days longer than my usual 12 day lp), the next time I'll O will be the day after dh gets home. That doesn't give us enough time to get things set up, iykwim. Then I won't O again until after he leaves. If it makes me O just a week early on cd21, that would be ok. I'd O right in the middle of our time together but still only get one chance. (That's all based on "normal" cycles and guesses of how I think the herbs could affect my cycles. Obviously, there's no way for me to know that any of that will actually happen.)

Of course, like I've said, there's nothing anywhere near a garauntee that I'll actually O then. Everything is pretty much up in the air. There's no way for me to rely on any predictions. I guess what I want to do is try to find the most likely way to be most certain I will O sometime while he's home. I know there's no way to know for sure.

So, my question is, knowing all of that, would you take something like vitex or just leave things alone? TIA for your responses and for reading all my ramblings (can you say obsessive? ).
post #2 of 10
I don't know anything about this, but just wanted to offer some support. I hope someone else here has informed opinions to help you figure this out.
post #3 of 10
I know nothing about those herbs. The only ones I tried, (7 years ago), really screwed up my body, not helping my infertility at all.
I'm so sorry about your m/c

What was your treatment in the past for your infertility that allowed you to concieve the other 3 children? I would probably stick with that, if possible.
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What was your treatment in the past for your infertility that allowed you to concieve the other 3 children? I would probably stick with that, if possible.
I started another thread on this board entitled 39, PCOS, double MTHFR mutation, etc. I also cross-posted a similar thread to this on the TTC board. I got pg with ds1 by accident. I was 20. I had been told I could not get pg because I wasn't ovulating so I could go off the pill. I got pg about 3 months later without ever having a period. When we were ttc ds2 10 years later, after I was finally diagnosed with PCOS (it took several months of fertility treatments before that happened), I took 1500 mg metformin XR, low dose aspirin (I prescribed to myself) and progesterone suppositories. I got pg spontaneously while we were on a break from IVF treatments while we were moving. There are almost 13 years between ds1 and ds2. With ds3, I was taking the met and low dose aspirin again and used progesterone suppositories after getting pg. After 3 m/cs, I was diagnosed with the MTHFR thing and prescribed the low dose aspirin and script folic acid. So, each time was something slightly different.

I'm seeing my GP today and will probably be referred to my OB. I guess I should just stick with what I know. I just hate taking the synthetic drugs. And, since we technically aren't ttc, I kind of just want to let things happen. However, I don't want to go through another m/c. The last one was very hard on me. I want to make sure I have everything in place to prevent another m/c if I do get pg.
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After 3 m/cs, I was diagnosed with the MTHFR thing and prescribed the low dose aspirin and script folic acid. So, each time was something slightly different.

I'm seeing my GP today and will probably be referred to my OB. I guess I should just stick with what I know. I just hate taking the synthetic drugs. And, since we technically aren't ttc, I kind of just want to let things happen. However, I don't want to go through another m/c. The last one was very hard on me. I want to make sure I have everything in place to prevent another m/c if I do get pg.
Being mthfr myself and having a loss from my 3rd ivf. I'd definitely take the extra folic acid (I take 4 mg) and baby asprin. I'd also take a prenatal vit and a B vit. For the pcos I am just not sure of that. Good Luck!
post #6 of 10
i don't know anything about pcos, but as someone who has taken vitex to regulate everything....it took about three months for anything to take effect. it took a while to build up and eventually make things more normal...nothing is instant with herbal remedies, they just don't work that way.
post #7 of 10
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Well, the vitamins and aspirin are pretty much givens. The herbal stuff would be instead of metformin and progesterone.

Yeah, I know it can take several months for the herbs to fully kick in. It's the same way with the met, 3-6 months for the full effects. I have read about some women who have gotten immediate results from both.
post #8 of 10
Why are you trying to avoid progesterone?
post #9 of 10
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Why are you trying to avoid progesterone?
Because it's a synthetic drug that comes with side effect risks.
post #10 of 10
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Because it's a synthetic drug that comes with side effect risks.
Thinking about this more I just remember that someone said you are supposed to stop taking vitex during the 2ww because pg women aren't supposed to take it. So, I guess I'd still have to take progesterone. Then the vitex would only be replacing the metformin. Eh, what's the point? I might as well just go the medical route.

I saw my GP today. I'm supposed to go in for some fasting labs that include insulin levels and A1C. He may put me on metformin, anyway. He referred me to an OB for all the other stuff. It would be nice if there were a RE anywhere near here. I have to rely on OBs who say they are fertility specialists. It's not the same.

I just hate that things have to be so difficult. I just wish I was be able to get pg and stay pg without needing to do anything.
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