PR Labs CLO NOT synthetic??? - Page 2

[leila1213]

Originally Posted by bluebirdmama1

Since we cant do the Fermented CLO, and there is no good regular CLO, we are just going to supplement with vit D, we get plenty of vit A foods, and liver, and for the good oils, we are going to use wheat germ oil. I tested that WGO would be an adequate subtitute. We will see how that goes...

I would be interested in hearing more about this, as I think I need more DHA than the FCLO has. So WGO has DHA? And it doesn't have problems with going rancid during processing or storage? Can you recommend a brand, or do you think pretty much any is okay?

[Koalamom]

Originally Posted by leila1213

I would be interested in hearing more about this, as I think I need more DHA than the FCLO has. So WGO has DHA? And it doesn't have problems with going rancid during processing or storage? Can you recommend a brand, or do you think pretty much any is okay?

This link talks about the Vit E protecting WGO from rancidity:
http://whfoods.org/genpage.php?tname...paign=rss_feed

This is all about wheat germ oil. I can't find anything that talks abot it having DHA, but it does have Essential Fatty Acids which work the same way as DHA. I tested that we needed DHA, and CLO would be the best source, but WGO woul dbe a good substitute for doing what the CLO would do.

Wheat Germ Oil contains high levels of Vitamin E Oil, as well as other vitamins, minerals, protein, and Essential Fatty Acids. Essential Fatty Acids support physiological functions, and are essential for the health of our organs and overall health. They cannot be produced by our own bodies, and instead must be obtained from dietary sources. Wheat Germ Oil contains linoleic, oleic, palmitic, and stearic fatty acids. These are needed for our cardiovascular, immune, nervous, reproductive systems, and to maintain healthy cells and body functions.
The Vitamin E Oil present in Wheat Germ Oil promotes skin cell formation, and is great for nourishing and rejuvenating dry, mature, dehydrated skin, and reducing scars, stretch marks, sunburns, and damaged skin. It has anti-inflammatory and anti-oxidant effects, which may be beneficial medicinally as well as in cosmetics. The high Vitamin E content in Wheat Germ Oil is a natural preservative, helps to prevent rancidity, and prolongs the shelf life of cosmetic products.

http://www.mountainroseherbs.com/lea.../wheatgerm.php

From my understanding, WGO has Lineolic acid which is a form of DHA (or precourser?, a omega 3 or 6?)

This link may assure you that a TF diet with grass fed dairy may be the key to getting enough DHA when you can't take loads of the pricy FCLO. I was wondering what traditional people would do wgen they could not get CLO. Eat good grass fed products!

There is less DHA available in the average diet than formerly, due to cattle being taken off grass and fed grain before butchering; likewise, there is less in eggs due to intensive farming

It may be good to have DHA for cytokine storms if you get the swine flu:

Fish oil is widely sold in gelatin capsules containing a mixture of omega-3 fatty acids including EPA and smaller quantities of DHA. Researchers have found that fish oil high in DHA and low in EPA lowered inflammatory cytokines, such as IL-6 and IL-1β, associated with neurodegenerative and autoimmune diseases. They note that the brain normally contains DHA but no EPA

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Docosahexaenoic_acid

I am assuming that we tested to get adequate replacement for CLO with WGO because we do consume grass fed dairy. I tested all other oils I could think of as a replacement and got nothing good. I still would take additional D3 or get sunlight exposure in the summer. To get the right amount of D from FCLO, it would be so much. I take over 5000iu of D3 a day. I can't afford that with FCLO. And my kids tested allergic to the fermented stuff. I am not surprised because they are allergic to other fermented stuff like kefir and sauerkraut.

Healthline that produces the Quantum CLO has a great algea based DHA:
http://www.qncstore.com/CGI-BIN/LANS...05B01T+M37+ENG
Does this mean that we can get adequate DHA from sea greens?

And I may take advantage of their great D3:

D3 Serum
Key Benefits
Supports many body systems including healthy bone, nerves, heart, brain, lung, esophagus, breasts, colon, stomach, pancreas, prostate, uterus, ovaries, kidneys*

The one vitamin D3 source that tests on to all 4 polarities for ideal cell resonance or best health;* its biofield is so strong, it cannot be stress-tapped off, even with 100+ stress taps

http://www.healthline.cc/QNL%20Produ...nformation.htm

[Koalamom]

To add, I really have no idea what I am talking about, but sharing as I learn...

It would be so much easier if the FCLO were cheaper and tasted like ice cream.

The things we do for good health.

[MyLilPwny]

My question is if they are adding synthetic vitamin A & D into cod liver oil, why don't they add in natural vitamin A & D instead? Like those D3 supplements that many people are taking, isn't that natural D3?

That Quantum High Vitamin Cod Liver Oil is the exact same brand that we had been taking, which I've always purchased from Radiant Life, as recommended by the WAPF, until they released their update about the fermented cod liver oil. The Quantum CLO is mild-tasting and my daughter had been taking it since she was 5 months old and always just had it straight off the spoon and liked the taste of it. I had forgotten that it had vitamin E in it, but after reading this thread, now I recall that. I've been reading that all "natural" vitamin E is sourced from soy, and that there is no other option...how true is that and who takes a natural vitamin E supplement that is not from soy?

I had just put in an order of 3 bottles of Quantum's cod liver oil, when I realized that the vitamins were synthetic (so I thought), so I told my husband to start giving the cod liver oil to our shiba inu dog, so that the cod liver oil wouldn't go to waste since I didn't want us to be having synthetic vitamins. Then the past couple of days now, my husband keeps commenting how beautiful and vibrant our dog's fur is now, and its probably because of the cod liver oil.

Anyway, so I just read this thread and told my husband to stop giving it to the dog, because now I'll give it to my daughter again since she likes the taste. Hopefully by the time it runs out she'll be old enough to like the taste of the cinnamon flavored fermented cod liver oil.

[MyLilPwny]

Originally Posted by bluebirdmama1

I can't afford that with FCLO. And my kids tested allergic to the fermented stuff. I am not surprised because they are allergic to other fermented stuff like kefir and sauerkraut.

I have a friend who is allergic and sensitive to many things and I was discussing with him the fermented cod liver oil and how the regular cod liver oil will now have synthetic vitamins in it. He told me that he won't be able to do the fermented cod liver oil because the fermented will have "too much free glutamate" for him, since he is so sensitive to MSG. I asked, aren't the synthetic vitamins bad? He told me that in his opinion "I'm not worried about the synthetic vitamins. I think they are identical to natural ones. I think a lot of them are produced with bacteria that produce those vitamins. There are some synthetic vitamins that aren't good, but most are fine. I think the vitamin D used now is the same as natural. But in the past they used Vitamin D2 in milk which was toxic to the liver (if I remember correctly). Now they use Vitamin D3 in milk and supplements. And vitamin C would be better naturally since it has it's co-factors" Those were is actual words that I copied and pasted from a chat transcript.

So is he right in saying that synthetic D3 is identical to natural D3, that the same vitamin D added into regular cod liver oil now is actually the same as the D3 supplements that people take? Also, any comments on the fermented cod liver oil having free glutamate?

[Koalamom]

Most (if not all) synthetic D3 is from sheeps wool, and is fine, but the problem is the synthetic vit A is really toxic an should be avoided. This is what all the hype was about some time ago with Dr Mercola if I recall right.

[SageR]

Originally Posted by ThereseReich

So is he right in saying that synthetic D3 is identical to natural D3, that the same vitamin D added into regular cod liver oil now is actually the same as the D3 supplements that people take? Also, any comments on the fermented cod liver oil having free glutamate?

This piqued my interest. I used to take the Radiant Life hvclo and was really happy with that. When I ran out I ordered the fclo but I've been having a hard time using it. I get a headache and get really, really - like irrationally nasty - irritable. It took me awhile to figure it out because I didn't take it consistently all summer. But once the weather turned I statred taking it every day and wow I know I'm sensitive to glutamate.

With this and cod being basically endangered I think I need to find an alternative for D and omegas.

[blueridgewoman]

Thanks for the thoughts, all. I went ahead and ordered two bottles-- neither dd nor I have soy allergies and when I thought about it, the Vitamin E actually sounds like a good idea. Pretty much none of the food I eat on a regular basis has much Vit E and while I've thought about supplementing, I didn't want to do synthetics and I can't take wheat germ oil.

Hopefully this stuff will be nice and mild so that my dd can take it too!

[leila1213]

Thanks for all the info, bluebirdmama! I do think I probably need extra D3 as well. The reason I'm concerned about DHA is cuz I read Nina Planck's new book and I don't think I eat nearly enough seafood to be able to rely on diet (canned tuna is about all I can afford right now--I get a great deal on the FCLO and usually my mom buys it for me, so I take about 5cc per day). I don't get a ton of grassfed dairy either (1.5 gallons every other week). Mainly I'm concerned for pregnancy and breastfeeding. Otherwise, meh.