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My EcoEnergy Evaluation... UPDATE 2011

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I asked about grants and programs available to home owners a couple of months ago and wanted to share some of our results.

We had an appointment for an EcoEnergy Evaluation the end of September which I wrote about here. They come, look at your house, send you a report saying how you could make improvements and how much money you could receive. You have a year and a half to do the work then they visit again to verify it all. If it's up to par, they hand over the moola. Our inspector suggested taking plenty of pictures of the process when insulating inside of walls etc that get covered up.

We finally got our report back this week and woohoo! we qualify for a bunch of grants.

For example:
"increase exterior wall insulation by a min of RSI 0.7 (R-3.8) to a max of RSI 1.59 (R-9)" =$70
BUT if we
"increase exterior wall insulation by an amount greater than RSI 1.59 (R-9)" then we'd get $1149.

Other suggestions were to insulate basement walls, headers, attic, and improve air sealing. Each job has a dollar amount we'd receive if completed and we can pick and choose what we do. If we did all the work to the max, we'd get about $2500 from the Federal program and then it says we could also qualify for $2032 from Hydro Quebec (our electric company because we have electric heat, common for our area).

This is all work we were going to do anyways and having the blower door test was awesome. As much fun as going to the circus. We had trouble spots that we never imagined and would not have thought to insulate. Like, all the windows and doors are new, but the window over the kitchen sink was a different size. Not noticeable, but you can tell they didn't insulate around it and left some gaps under the trim. Air was being pulled through it like crazy, and through an outlet on the same wall.

The only fee we pay is $150+tax upfront. Second visit cost nothing.

Oh, we also get $65 for buying a low flow toilet. How simple is that?! And the report has so many tips in it, both general and specific to our home.

This is a program above and beyond the Home Renovation Tax Credit, First Time Homebuyers Tax Credit etc. I think we picked the best time to buy and renovate a home!

Just wanted to throw this out there in case anyone was looking for similar programs. The EcoEnergy program is Federal, then there are other various programs for each province.

Oh, forgot to add our EnerGuide rating.

Um, our house is rated at 47 (out of 100). They say if we do all the work they suggest, they think we could get it up to a 65. Similar aged houses (100 years old) in Qc average at 49 with the best rating at 81 (I'm aiming for 81!)

It also says
air leakage rate @50 Pa:19.56 ACH (number of air changes per hour)
I'm guessing that's not good.

I am really excited about insulating our house! I also replied on a thread about insulation... DH tried a DIY spray foam kit and it worked out really well. So quick and it's so much warmer in the rooms we did.
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I am really excited about insulating our house! I also replied on a thread about insulation... DH tried a DIY spray foam kit and it worked out really well. So quick and it's so much warmer in the rooms we did.
Was that foam insulation for your walls or in your attic?

We had one of those audits this summer and I would like to do more to our house to get money back. We bought new windows so far, and would like to get a new furnace too.

Did you just submit your reciept for the toilet and get $65 back? We need a toilet for our unfinished ensuite, so I should go get one soon.

Thanks!
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All they're asking for is receipts and proof of work.

So, for the toilet, we'd show the receipt. If we hired someone to do some work, show the receipt for the job, making sure it's detailed and photos of the work as it's being done. If we do the work ourselves, receipts for materials and again, photos of work being done.

We haven't gotten any money back yet, we just started the 18 month stretch we have to do all our work. The money will come at the very end. (I hope )

The spray foam we've done already was in an outer wall from the inside. Basically, we tore off the drywall, saw that there was nothing behind except wallpaper, newspaper from 1920, some burlap and cardboard. And behind that, a log wall. We didn't know we lived in a log house!

I framed out a wall using 2x4s (flat so it was 2"deep about) against the log wall and DH applied the spray foam. It was quick, easy and stinky. Definitely, cover yourself with clothing, protective eye wear and mask and have windows open.

DH looked like a pro doing it but he did a lot of research, watched a bunch of youtube videos on spray foaming and read the instruction manual very carefully. We're looking into putting it in our attic. DH cleaned it up this weekend and we're checking to see how it would go. It is SO MUCH cleaner than other insulation.

We're hoping to do sprayfoam around headers in basement, the exterior walls on the northern side of the house (from the inside) which happen to be rooms that need to be gutted. (new bathroom plus the cheapo addition built in the 60's.) Insulate the ceiling slants and knee walls upstairs and the attic. Then insulate the outside of the house with rigid styrofoam next year when we add siding. (Still researching this to make sure they all "go" together, moisture etc)

There was a lot of stuff we didn't qualify for. The previous owner had already put in new windows, our heating system was fine and we don't use propane for water heater or for heating which they seemed to be pushing vs electric.
post #4 of 11
Spray foam around the sill plate of your house if you can. We had that done when we replaced the foundation of our house 5 years ago. It really helps with airflow and insulating with wool or pink foam just wouldn't get into every crack and crevice as well.

We have a 100yo house in Quebec too, and we have thick board walls as well. Even some of the interior ones are these 2 inch thick, one foot wide boards. In the upstairs apartment, there was what looked like squared off logs with some kind of rope or fibre that my plumber recognized (and I've long since forgotten again) stuffed in between the boards. In other places the boards are tongue and groove. Dh makes jokes about our house being eco friendly because of all the carbon storage.
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Great! Thank you for the tips. DH and I better get looking for our furnace, toilet, and attic insulation before our time runs out.

Our house is rated 63, and we could increase it to 76 if we do everything on the list. Our house is from the early 80s I believe...and we have the original furnace still kicking.

Our Air Leakage Rate @ 50 Pa: 6.04 ACH
That is with our old windows. So I think insulating your house will be great!
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Wow, that is all so amazing. How cool to not only do that and save yourself in the long run, but to get paid for it. I love that.

Anyway, found this: http://www.oikos.com/library/airseal...r_leakage.html Not sure if it'll help you or not. I found it interesting.
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Thanks for the link!

And OMG, I thought our ACH looked kind of high, but seeing the info on the link and compared to CHoney.... And we *have* new windows! I guess it's everything propping up the windows that needs to have work done on it.
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This is such an awesome program! We just got a quote for a new high efficiency furnace (95%), and with all the rebates it will be $2600 from $5000. Plus the 15% tax credit. We're very fortunate because our furnace is almost as old as I am!

Hot water tanks are a bit more than I was expecting though...around $1000. Does that sound about right?
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Hot water tanks are a bit more than I was expecting though...around $1000. Does that sound about right?
Sounds about right to me... I guess it depends on what size of tank you're looking at. We replaced our HWT earlier this year and it was right at the $1000 mark. Ours is a big tank... not sure on gallon capacity but it's huge, we never have to worry about running out of hot water if we all do baths and showers in the morning.

To the OP, definitely take advantage of all the grants and rebates you can... we insulated our attic the other winter and through a program with Manitoba Hydro, we got a 100% rebate on it!
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Sounds about right to me... I guess it depends on what size of tank you're looking at. We replaced our HWT earlier this year and it was right at the $1000 mark. Ours is a big tank... not sure on gallon capacity but it's huge, we never have to worry about running out of hot water if we all do baths and showers in the morning.

To the OP, definitely take advantage of all the grants and rebates you can... we insulated our attic the other winter and through a program with Manitoba Hydro, we got a 100% rebate on it!
I think this was for a 50 gallon tank? The 40 gallon was only $100 less, so we might go with the bigger one.

I wish BC had that aweseme attic insulation deal! Right now I think they're offering no tax on the insulation. We'd really like to put more in our attic cause it's chilly!
post #11 of 11
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UPDATE!
 

I feel like I started this thread a lifetime ago! Ah, to be new homeowners again and still filled with the excitement of renovations. ROTFLMAO.gif

 

We had our second inspection in March 2011 and received a cheque in... June? from the Federal gov't. We didn't get to everything on the list but still ended up with a $1280 grant. joy.gif A cheque from the provincial gov't (renoclimat) is on it's way for $1170. joy.gif

 

And, we just reregistered for the EcoEnergy program today. joy.gifIt was extended for another year. We're hoping to get more refunds for insulating the exterior walls and basement. 

 

Also, we finally got our results of the updated blower door test. The first time it was 19.56ach and the second time we got it down to 11.5ach. Still high but greatly improved. The basement will be HUGE. Hopefully our 3rd will come in at a reasonable amount! 

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