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[sugarmoon]

Originally Posted by Oh the Irony

I just don't like this at all though. The implications that women need to be "pure" and "giving it away" freak me out. I'm not "giving anything away". I'm sharing in my sexuality and sensuality. I'm not an object or a "benefit". My hugs and kisses are not payment. They are a mutually satisfying gift for both of us. We both benefit. This is teaching women to use their sexuality for control over men.

Sorry LoveOhm. Steve Harvey can, well, you know.

Seems to me that these are "rules to the game" and I'd only need the rules if I wanted to play the game, with a fellow player. I don't.

And you know...the sex thing. Complications and I never had sex, having agreed pretty early on that if we did, it would indicate a level of commitment that we wanted to be sure we were choosing. You know what? Not having had sex didn't do anything to lessen the sting when our relationship/friendship abruptly ended. The emotional intensity is what does it for me. The sex, I can walk away from.

And the Chapter One thing. Wow. I do agree that *some* men are like that, and in the past, I think I have been attracted to men whose egos are all wrapped up in their accomplishments (job/income/possesions), and part of why I like Artsy Teacher Guy so much is that he is so *not* like that. He is refreshingly in the present. For example, he has these wicked cool graffiti-esque murals he has painted on the walls of his apartment. He has spent a lot of time on them, and will spend more time before they're done. But then, he'll move out. And leave them behind. And that is fine with him. He likes making them, he likes looking at them, and he's able to move on.

I like that about him. I like that his life is sustainable and responsible, but he is not all wrapped up in his job and work or self-improvement endeavors. He is able to experience and enjoy the world.

LoveOhm, I hope you don't feel picked on. As we've said before, you and I live in very different worlds, and are also looking for different things. And I think that what you posted will spark a really good conversation here!

[Oh the Irony]

Originally Posted by sugarmoon

LoveOhm, I hope you don't feel picked on.

Me too. Any ire you detected was for Steve Harvey--not you.

I need to get back to work. I love working from home but it is so easy to get distracted and not work.

[DanishMom]

Originally Posted by Oh the Irony

Oh gosh. I think He's Just Not That into You is enough of a dating book for me.

1) Some men are simple. Some are complex. Very. Ask me how I know...

2) I deny "my right" to have a man pay for everything. He doesn't have to "pay for my time". We share time. He asks me to dinner, he can pay. I ask him, I pay. We date awhile, we trade off or split the bill.

3) Standards are good. Maybe I'm looking for a plaything though...

4) Good questions. I think it is important to find out if there are dealbreakers before you fall in love. That makes things more complicated--you have to be willing to walk away.

5) 90 Day Rule. Hmmm...benefits work both ways. It's not all about HIS benefits--it is OUR benefits. I personally do not want to have sex before really knowing someone because it makes your hormones get a bit whacked which can lead to some strange things. Ask me how I know...

I just don't like this at all though. The implications that women need to be "pure" and "giving it away" freak me out. I'm not "giving anything away". I'm sharing in my sexuality and sensuality. I'm not an object or a "benefit". My hugs and kisses are not payment. They are a mutually satisfying gift for both of us. We both benefit. This is teaching women to use their sexuality for control over men.

Sorry LoveOhm. Steve Harvey can, well, you know.

OntheIrony: I couldn't agree more. It's seems like an almost Victorian view on women and sex and it freaks me out too - big time.

Paying for dinners etc. seems to be more ingrained in american culture. In Denmark woman pays for half or you take turns paying. Some men do pay but not the majority and only in the beginning of the relationship. I wouldn't be comfortable with a man paying for me all the time - unless there is a damn good reason. Like my fiance makes a lot of money and I'm a student. I would not accept it if I hadn't known for a long time. I would hate feeling that someone was paying for my time and attention, I will give it freely when I feel like it.

[Zeta]

My problem with the "waiting" idea is not conceptual/political but physiological. I went into my post-marriage dating with the idea that I would wait, but my body was having none of that. It quickly became torture, and was seeming forced and artificial, like I could "control" things that way. I think I lasted 3 weeks MAX.

I do not think there's any formula for manipulating the outcome of relationships, unless it's simply: Be yourself. Obviously "going for it" early because you think you "should" is inauthentic and could be a bad idea, and by the same token, waiting because you "should" may be somewhat silly and distorting as well.

If both parties are being their most authentic, it's going to unfold, and that may be a short or long relationship, depending on the inherent potential.

[JohnnysGirl]

Originally Posted by Zeta

If both parties are being their most authentic, it's going to unfold, and that may be a short or long relationship, depending on the inherent potential.

ITA :


like sugarmoon said,

Seems to me that these are "rules to the game" and I'd only need the rules if I wanted to play the game, with a fellow player. I don't.

If you're dealing with a smooth 'operator' who will take what he can get, and 'play' you if he gets half a chance, then that wouldn't have lasted long for me anyways, because I'd see he isn't the down-to-earth, genuine person looking to open his heart for the right girl. If a guy is focused on finding the right girl and opening his heart and making himself vulnerable for her, how many days elapse between meeting and intimacy won't matter if his heart begins stirring for me and gets more and more invested in me from day 1 onwards. No one will be busy counting days, because both sides will be busy falling in love and wondering when the next date is.

[LoveOhm]

Actually I don't feel picked on at all! I wanted to throw these items out there to add it to the conversation. I have my own negative thoughts on Steve Harvey giving dating advice but I do think he has some points worthy of at least discussing among other single women!

But I do really appreciate you ladies being so sensitive to my feelings.

Originally Posted by Zeta

I do not think there's any formula for manipulating the outcome of relationships, unless it's simply: Be yourself.....

If both parties are being their most authentic, it's going to unfold, and that may be a short or long relationship, depending on the inherent potential.

I fully agree with this and don't think anyone should follow a formula! By chance there are some key items highlighted in this book are naturally in sync with my authentic self.

Naturally I am not quick to bed men and honestly I don't know why..... other than it is just me. I don't feel I am "withholding" I more feel I don't know him like that........... yet and for me a huge part of the physical has to do with the emotional level there. But that is different for each woman and I don't judge women who make other decisions unless they are putting their kids in the middle of their relations with men and it's affecting the kids in a negative way. I did not take the author to say that women who sleep with men on early on don't have long term potential with that man but that we need to know the man with are sleeping with. The author gave a 90 day benefit comparison however you can indeed get to know someone sooner each couples timeline will be different.

With the asking questions, having clear expectations, etc. to me is not a formula or a game the author said nothing "new" - no wait for him to call you, no suggestions of cooking, dressing a certain way or whatnot. I think all relationship books should be taken with a grain of salt.

Anywhoo i just like adding to conversation!

[JohnnysGirl]

I talked with Chivalrous Hunter for hours on the phone tonight (I Hate business trips to Germany that last 5 days and 5 nights!) and I asked him the 5 questions! and then answered them back to him.

Originally Posted by LoveOhm

From Chapter 10: Five Questions Every Woman Should Ask Before She Gets In Too Deep
1) What are your short-term goals?
2) What are your long-term goals?
3) What are your views on relationships?
4) What do you think about me?
5) How do you feel about me?

He answered to 1) that he had some short term goals about seeing me this weekend and taking me out of my comfort zone and see how I respond to challenging situations and being pushed to my limits when not being the one totally calling the shots (our first three dates were entirely dictated and run by me, him just taking orders) and us learning more and more about each other asap....and some Christmas plans to see his parents, and some hobby and work things too. To 2) he said he wants to build a happy life with a partner, try to make her happy, and have aligning parenting philosophies and function as a coherent adult front towards his older children when all together, but said he didn't feel like he was shopping for an 'active stepmom' type female for his kids--just that his partner happily tolerated his children was enough for him. But remember those kids are middle school and high school aged, so it's kind of a different thing than those of us with young kids....by the time any woman would be marrying their dad (unless he leaps into marriage right-quick in the coming 24 months) they'll be high school and university so hardly the time to introduce a new adult into their life with any type of actual parental role. Since two of his three kids are so close to adulthood he's already happily anticipating grandfatherhood. The dude really digs babies. To 3) I can't remember what he said and to 4) he said he thinks I'm very clever, very high maintenance lady, probably very difficult to live with, and have a loaded weapon in my hand in terms of how I could potentially use my wits to manipulate or 'play' him. He's dealing with his own scary vulnerable position of falling in love with someone he sees has the mental resources to play games with him without him ever suspecting, but he also insists he really wants to trust me. Just that it's scary to take that leap of faith. I agreed with him on that. to 5) he said he has never met any woman even stronger than himself, and despite the difficult items from 4) that go hand in hand with that strength and confidence, he loves the whole of me, and has probably been waiting for someone strong like me, and to feel these types of complex, somewhat confusing but intense falling-in-love emotions as he is presented with the challenge of taming Butterflymom. You see, I have really acted like a diva thusfar, but I guess what I want is to test a guy and see if he runs away with that type of confident sassy attitude, and it's an authentic side of myself, and the public persona I normally enjoy entertaining others with, and it's necessary to see if a guy finds it exhausting and off-putting before he gets to see my more quiet, nurturing, giving sides which are more naturally appealing to men in general. I want a guy to love that side of me, but also kind of feel inspired to 'tame me' not in the way that he'd want to change anything about me but to stand up to me and show me in his eyes and by not just letting me get away with as much princess crap as I may playfully try to get away with, that he has just as much strength and confidence and playfulness to push back and engage in some faux power struggle and mock tension between us as we test one another (read: foreplay).

Seie asked me on facebook chat if it was theoretically possible that this guy is only interested in the chase and rush of early infatuation and always falls deeply into it in the beginning but once the newness and conquest wears off, bails. I asked him directly yesterday in a text message, if he was only into the chase, and he texted back something to the effect of, 'darling, when I had my teeth in your neck, the chase was over. this is the only type of huting where I engage in 'catch and release.' I have made my choice, and I never look back.'

HOT, no??? I think I might have slightly gasped at the swagger in that SMS. I need a guy who can flex a little bravado and surprise me (and put me in my place), even if he's really the sweet, kind, intelligent nerd-in-glasses that I also seek. There has to be some spice and some playfulness in a relationship. I want messages that make me tingle and I want to occasionally feel nervous (like when he says our weekend date is going to 'test my limits' and he's NOT talking sexually) at what he has planned/cooking up for us, because life should be an adventure. Your partner should be your partner-in-crime, and I love that he's so much older but has such a playful side. I couldnt' have him acting like a stuffy middle aged businessman in a suit who is uber-gentleman, all the time, and not get bored, ya know?

He's struggling in English, but it's his 5th language so I cut him slack.

[LoveOhm]

Wow he does have quite a lot to say!

[sugarmoon]

Butterfly!

Can we say it yet?

Butterfly and CH up in a tree....

Ha! One of my RL friends is already teasing me "sugar has a boooooy friend..." and while I put her in her place, and am doing my darndest to keep myself in mine, in my mind, I'm waaaaaaaaaay ahead of myself.

And you know, I realize (and this seem so obvious now) that with any guy I am actually into, my mind *immediately* goes long term. With the other men I emailed and/or dated between Complications and Artsy Teacher Guy, there was none of that. With ATG, my mind had gone there before I even met him IRL. He mentioned an island he used to live on, and that in the summer of 2011, he is planning to go back there, just for the summer, and I immediately thought "I am going with him".

And you know, at this point? I'm planning on it. Shhhh, don't tell him. Those of you who are on my fb will see, my fb status for today "Sugarmoon is getting way ahead of herself. And she's enjoying it."

So thats where I'm at. ATG didn't come over tonight, as he had a 12 hr day at work, and had just gotten home at 6, but he is going to come tomorrow night.

Loveohm, I'm glad you spiced up the convo a bit! Butterfly, fun that you asked CH the questions, and yes, HOTHOTHOT, his answer about being in it for the chase!

[JohnnysGirl]

So,

I can't even fall asleep, I'm so excited for sugar and myself. this is so fun to crush so hard on someone new we met within the same week, who are equally smitten! Who would have thunk it. After nearly a year of being online single/dating mom confidantes without a single, truly viable prospect until last week. A couple days ago, ATG told his sister about you, and CH told his 15 year old son about me. Are our lives in sync or something?

[JohnnysGirl]

So,

Originally Posted by Holland73

Well... he came over on Monday night and we talked and made out for 3.5 hours (no full on dancing... yet!). Honestly, I haven't had that much fun, intensity and connection in a very, very long time. It was absolutely amazing!

I realized how very similar we both are, or at least similar in the areas that matter the most: affection, ability to communicate, internal happiness/contentment with oneself and a positive, optimistic outlook on life. Four things that were truly detrimental in my relationship with S.

We text A LOT. Yesterday he told me he was going to the gym, "To keep it looking sexy for you." He is VERY athletic and active, which is great. When I asked him what his favorite dessert was, he replied, "YOU!" Oh, and my all-time favorite: "Fell asleep with the scent of your hair and perfume still on me. It was nice. )"

Ok, sorry... I am gushing a bit. I have never felt so bloody giddy before, it is absolutely nuts.

We have a date set up for Friday night, which is the day before ds and I leave for a week in Oregon.

Honestly, it is amazing and he is fabulous. I plan on enjoying every single moment.

oh goodness, how could I momentarily forget you and the Paralegal? Blessings happen in threes.... Yay!!! Of course the huge news last week was DM 's proposal. Things also sound promising for rosehip, too! Hope muse and chicago guy have a merry, christmasy meeting next month! Gosh I hope everyone has a special romance going on for the holidays! Makes that new year's eve countdown sweeter!

[Holland73]

BIG update

This is what happened this evening... in this exact order:

1. He told me that he wanted to give me his complete, undivided attention because he felt that we had something special together and he wanted to give it his all therefore, he cancelled his Match.com subscription! [btw: so did I]

2. He asked me a lot of great, thought-provoking, necessary relationship building questions about my past, what my goals are for the future, what I want/am looking for... basically those 5 questions that were discussed in LO's post. I was just surprised that HE asked them, typically I am the one to ask those questions and I never get such detailed and honest answers as I did from P (aka Mr. Paralegal).

3. We both shared a lot about our pasts, lessons learned, who we are, etc. It was so open, honest and thorough!!!!

4. We did a lot cuddling!!! It was great. I felt absolutely NO self-consciousness, anxiety, ackwardness or nervousness. It just felt so natural and easy. btw: At 40 yrs old... he has an amazing, muscular, athletic body!!!! Holy Macaroni!!!

So... that is where I am at! It happened A LOT faster than I had expected, which I think shows me how detached my relationship with S had become and how much I sacrificed my own needs/wants. Although, that relationship really was the catalyst for me to truly fine-tune and understand what my non-negotiables were in a relationship... what I HAD to have and what I NEED to have.

I just didn't expect to find it on the first time out and so soon. Therefore, I HAVE to be very conscious, aware and honest with myself (and P) about how I am feeling and what I need.

[JohnnysGirl]

: So, what are these non-negotiables? Can I be nosey and ask what it is you have to have, had to have, need to have, etc? I know it was last months' question and everything but....

[Holland73]

Originally Posted by Butterflymom

: So, what are these non-negotiables? Can I be nosey and ask what it is you have to have, had to have, need to have, etc? I know it was last months' question and everything but....

1. Affectionate, in addition to being comfortable with their sexual self, is a HUGE one for me. I'm a very sexual and affectionate person. They are both a huge part of my being.

For the past 18+ months, I have held it back, denied it was necessary and just figured it was asking for too much. Plus, I knew the VERY valid reasons for why S wasn't affectionate and why he didn't view himself as a sexual person, which made it even more difficult.

2. Ability to communicate... fully, honestly and in a healthy manner.

3. Being happy, truly happy, with the life they already have and who they are. I will not be responsible for someone else's happiness. I want to add to their already established, fulfilled personal happiness... I just do not want to be the main ingredient.

That is it!

[JohnnysGirl]

I'm just so surprised. From your posts while together with S, it sounded like you were unbelievably happy and it was an enviable relationship. Just surprised to read now that he wasn't as communicative as you'd like to be with a partner, as well as not as affectionate or sensual as you'd need, or even happy. If I may be EVEN MORE NOSEY than I already am being, why do you think you remained a good long while with S, given such major drawbacks? : You dont' have to tell me but I find it interesting to try to deconstruct. A good friend of mine is unwilling to part from a terrible relationship although she isn't oblivious to the glaring faults/lackings/flaws of the connection between her and the other (regardless of who's 'fault' it is, or whatnot--sometimes relationships are just bad for both parties and it doesn't even matter who is behaving better or worse or who is healthier or unhealtheir or fairer or unfair, etc). Is it SO SCARY to breakup even when major, major faults are obvious? In your case with S and with my friend's current case there are no children involved, and not exactly years and years (hardly) under the bridge to not want to let go of for hope that things will go back to a long happy stretch of time in your memory.... how long were you with S before these problems you described came up, and how much longer did you stay? Did you feel moving in together would solve them? What happened?

Ok, just tell me to bugger off and mind my own business if you want.

[Seie]

Excited for all the potential long-term cruches baking here

Im in a thinking phase relationship wise. Am as crazy about BF as I ever was, but he is carrying a lot of stuff around from his previous life ("loosing" two children IS a big deal) and I do feel that it comes between us sometimes. He is carrying this huge grief all the time and seems to simply shut that part of his life out as it is too painful to confront. But you can't just shut a door like that. It keeps popping up - for instance he is still married to his ex because it was all just too difficult, too expensive and too hard. He just shut that door and didnt look back. But as long as he is still married to her - well then obviously he can't ever marry me. He says he feels marriage doesnt really matter - it's just paper. But not to me it's not. I know he hasn't even seen her for several years, but still - he is freaking MARRIED. I have offered him an alternative to fighting the UK courts - he can close the case and then open it again here and he would be able to get the divorce without it costing nearly as much as it would in the UK - but it seems like he just doesnt want to even face it at all as it brings up so much pain.
I dont know - - it just bothers me really.. The whole not wanting children thing has to do with this too. Its all tied up in a big fat knot..

[Holland73]

Originally Posted by Butterflymom

I'm just so surprised. From your posts while together with S, it sounded like you were unbelievably happy and it was an enviable relationship.

I was unbelievably happy and I did believe it was an enviable relationship. I just didn't realize how important the "amount" of communication, affection and internal happiness was going to become for me. There are just never any guarantees in life... you know?

Now, he was communicative... to a certain degree. He was affectionate... again, to a certain degree. And I figured his lack of internal happiness was more his "issue" and that as long as I kept myself happy and supported him on his journey... he would find his way.

Take in mind... I also know S's story. I know his background and what was holding him back. I knew where he came from and why he was who he was. Plus, I also knew that he did genuinely want to be more affectionate (and he did try and his efforts were amazing) and he did try to be more communicative and open AND he was working on his own happiness. The man tried his absolute best. He took himself out of his comfortability zone so many times for me and our relationship.

There were just too many issues compounding upon each other and he couldn't deal with those and with being in a relationship. I also believe he knew he was holding me back and that I did deserve more than what he could offer me. He truly is an amazing man... he is just not for me. We are just at very different stages in our personal growth.

Originally Posted by Butterflymom

Is it SO SCARY to breakup even when major, major faults are obvious?

It is hard when you are fully invested in the relationship and you are not 100% sure of exactly what you need and how important those needs truly are.

Originally Posted by Butterflymom

In your case with S and with my friend's current case there are no children involved, and not exactly years and years (hardly) under the bridge to not want to let go of for hope that things will go back to a long happy stretch of time in your memory.

There was a child involved. My son had a relationship with him and they did build a bond together. Although S was pretty detached, he was a source of fun, stability and security for ds. Thankfully, their wasn't as attached as it could have been... as that would have made the breakup SUPER difficult for ds.

Originally Posted by Butterflymom

how long were you with S before these problems you described came up, and how much longer did you stay?

The 'problems' were always there, as they were very much apart of who he was... they just came in waves of varying degrees. I took those waves as an opportunity to deal with my own personal growth and better myself... which ultimately lead me to Buddhism, meditation and a lot of soul searching. Additionally, when he did have periods of being significantly detached... I took it as an opportunity to learn to knit and I also started training (and completing) for my first 1/2 marathon.

All relationships will have moments/periods were one person will go through something significant and all you can do is just be there to support them and keep yourself happy and healthy. Unfortunately, in my relationship with S... that happened many times, which I honestly, didn't expect to be the case.

After the many waves and all the amazing lessons I was learning through my own personal growth process... I began to 'see the light' and really start to see him 150% for who he was and how he was. I suppose, that was about 2 or so months ago. It just started to become too constant and I was growing and developing in another direction... and wanting more. He couldn't meet me there anymore.

Originally Posted by Butterflymom

Did you feel moving in together would solve them? What happened?

Moving in together was great and we did have a great first few months. Moving in was more about having more time together and really getting to know each other more intimately. I did believe it would bring us closer and, to a certain degree, it really did. BUT... his problems were still very prominent and it was just too much.

Honestly, he just reached a point where he felt so bad about himself and his circumstances and he felt so guilty about 'dragging me through his shit', he knew he needed to step back. He knew I was wanting and needing more AND he also knew he just couldn't meet me there. "If you love somebody... set them free"

Originally Posted by Butterflymom

Ok, just tell me to bugger off and mind my own business if you want.

No, I don't mind. It holds me accountable and, honestly, typing this all out has been very cathartic and good for me as I step further into this new relationship.

[Holland73]

Originally Posted by Seie

Excited for all the potential long-term cruches baking here

Im in a thinking phase relationship wise. Am as crazy about BF as I ever was, but he is carrying a lot of stuff around from his previous life ("loosing" two children IS a big deal) and I do feel that it comes between us sometimes. He is carrying this huge grief all the time and seems to simply shut that part of his life out as it is too painful to confront. But you can't just shut a door like that. It keeps popping up - for instance he is still married to his ex because it was all just too difficult, too expensive and too hard. He just shut that door and didnt look back. But as long as he is still married to her - well then obviously he can't ever marry me. He says he feels marriage doesnt really matter - it's just paper. But not to me it's not. I know he hasn't even seen her for several years, but still - he is freaking MARRIED. I have offered him an alternative to fighting the UK courts - he can close the case and then open it again here and he would be able to get the divorce without it costing nearly as much as it would in the UK - but it seems like he just doesnt want to even face it at all as it brings up so much pain.
I dont know - - it just bothers me really.. The whole not wanting children thing has to do with this too. Its all tied up in a big fat knot..

It is hard, Seie... I completely understand.

Here is my suggestion... take it as you will.

Take a step back and spend some time with yourself... just start making a dream list of everything you want in a relationship. Try... if you can, to separate the list from your current relationship, meaning don't let your current relationship have any input into this list. Then, narrow it down to 3-4 items that are complete non-negotiables.

Once you figure that out... sit and REALLY look at reality of your relationship and how it fits with those non-negotiables. THEN... just process, process, process.

You will know what you need to do when you reach the point of just not being able to do it anymore.

It is so hard!!!! My heart goes out to you.

[momanderson]

Thought I should update on my situation with hot neighbour! We've chatted here and there on fb for a few months, sent silly mail things on are you interested, but not gotten together in person. I had mentioned a trip the kids were taking for school, that parents were welcome to attend, but he didn't get the message in time. That day I saw him at the school and we only smiled at each other. I was pretty much thinking "he's just not that into you" category! I've been reading a few relationship books and decided I would try to seem less interested, it seemed to have worked! Last Friday out of the blue he sent me a message on fb.I hadn't heard anythong from him in 2 weeks. I answered to be polite but not really thinking there would be any more to it. Monday night he asked if I'd like to get together for a drink and movie this weekend, or whatever I would like. So as per the advice of other single friends and some books! I suggested diner cause that is what I'd like. I never get to eat out were there are no happy meals I'm trying to set standards, I think I'm worth diner and a movie! I told him to make the plans. He did ask if I wanted to go out or stay in. I def want to go out and told him that nicely. So he chose a restaurant ( mexican, which I love!) and he'd def. like to see a movie too, whatever I pick!
I am pleased that he asked, yet cautiously excited! I haven't dated in 14 years, and haven't even been single very long. I'm not sure what to expect really! we have never been alone, we usually both have kids when we see each other. I am pleased to see him loosening up with regards to his kids though. before we didn't have any online communication the weeks he has his kids, this week we have touched base everyday and the kids r with him. He also mentioned his x by name last night instead of just " their mother". So he's opening up a little which is good!! He has been single for 4 years and not dated much. I hope we can get over the giddy shy nervousness quickly!!!
So ladies what movie should I pick?? we aren't going to dinner til 7pm because I have the kids till 6. So the only ones playing late other than New Moon which neither of us are into, are Law Abiding Citizen and The Blind Side. totally different movies, the blind side has Tim McGraw in it and we both like country music, the other I would maybe need to snuggle up to him
Another plus he is well over 6ft tall so I can wear heels, Yay!! I'm 5'10 so usually don't wear heels cause then I was taller than xh!
So ya WOW I have a date saturday night!!! Pinch me!

[Rosehip]

Ok ladies, two more dress choices for my party tonight:

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MomAnderson - HAVE FUN!!

Butterfly - I'm so excited for you. It sounds like things are really progressing apace!