November Chat! (no, I'm not creative) - Page 7

[Theloose]

Originally Posted by changingseasons

Well - those are the only ones that really work well for water kefir. But the b6 will fix us so that we can tolerate sals, right?

But see, sals don't really seem like they're your thing. Maybe you're overloading, but honey, broccoli, zucchini, blueberries, coconut are all pretty high sals, and they are/were your baseline foods, right? Maybe it's something related like a specific phenol or something. Or maybe with all high sals foods you're just overloading a fairly big bucket? I can totally see *some* food chemical being big for you, I'm just not convinced on the sals yet...

[lil_miss_understood]

ds3 has cradle cap as a reaction to dairy... anyone want to tell me why dairy would deplete biotin?
not having a great night. took ds1 and ds2 to get shoes. couldn't find any for ds1, so he's sad then take him to scouts and he started crying bc they had been playing with nerf guns but put them away just after we got there and he didnt get to play

also, and more interestingly, though painful... i cut off part of the tip of my finger. not bad enough to go to ER but ouch.

[ASusan]

Originally Posted by changingseasons

NO.WAY. That's something I've suffered from my whole life. It sucks.

So I already forgot what dose you said... but this one is 50mg. Is that too much to start out with? (asking after I already took the pill... )

L-lysine can also help with vertigo. I don't know if that's safe for you to take.

[ASusan]

Originally Posted by JacquelineR

ds3 has cradle cap as a reaction to dairy... anyone want to tell me why dairy would deplete biotin?
not having a great night. took ds1 and ds2 to get shoes. couldn't find any for ds1, so he's sad then take him to scouts and he started crying bc they had been playing with nerf guns but put them away just after we got there and he didnt get to play

also, and more interestingly, though painful... i cut off part of the tip of my finger. not bad enough to go to ER but ouch.

JR - ouch! I'm sorry. I hope you were able to control the bleeding.

[kjbrown92]

Originally Posted by whoMe

Cradle cap is an imbalance of fatty acids, which can likely be rectified by biotin. The rash/scalies that biotin deficiency creates is perfect breeding ground for yeast, so the two tend to go hand in hand. Add to that that biotin plays a (separate?) role in preventing yeast from getting a stronghold. So supping biotin can change the whole yeast situation. For me, it's causing itchy flares of athlete's foot-type fungus (that's been there for AGES) and clearing it in its wake.

All that to say, yeah, it sounds like you're stirring up some yeast, and that the itchy head is likely a good sign/piece of the puzzle.

The other part, though, comes if you look up PB's posts about yeast and metals - basically, the yeast might be a friendly thing, binding metals so they're not circulating. So killing the yeast without simultaneously addressing the metals might mix things up in unexpected ways...

The osteo has seen his hair test so he knows there's metals in there (though I forgot about it, so maybe he did too?).

Could the cradle cap also be from introducing peas and rice in the last month and the stupid chicken pox vax? Too many variables maybe. Maybe if the TruFlora is every 4 days, I should also do clay on the mid-day between doses to get rid of some of the metals....

Originally Posted by JacquelineR

also, and more interestingly, though painful... i cut off part of the tip of my finger. not bad enough to go to ER but ouch.

Ow. Now who's going to chop all the veggies?

I'm getting antsy about getting the stool test back. I'm hoping it's got some great answer.

[Theloose]

Originally Posted by JacquelineR

ds3 has cradle cap as a reaction to dairy... anyone want to tell me why dairy would deplete biotin?
not having a great night. took ds1 and ds2 to get shoes. couldn't find any for ds1, so he's sad then take him to scouts and he started crying bc they had been playing with nerf guns but put them away just after we got there and he didnt get to play

also, and more interestingly, though painful... i cut off part of the tip of my finger. not bad enough to go to ER but ouch.

Ouchy finger! And poor ds1 hopefully the rest of the meeting goes well!

I think anything that causes inflammation would deplete biotin or at least throw the fatty acids out of balance.

[Theloose]

Originally Posted by kjbrown92

The osteo has seen his hair test so he knows there's metals in there (though I forgot about it, so maybe he did too?).

I don't think the yeast/metals connection is very well known at all, so I wouldn't count on him taking it into account...

[Theloose]

my turn to serial post...

Dd was great for the whole time I was making dinner, gobbled up fried rice/scrambled eggs, and then nursed to sleep within minutes of dh walking in the door - wasn't just distracted by him and wanting to play. Could the benefit of these vitamins be any more obvious? And why oh why oh why does she have to fight them so!?

[changingseasons]

Originally Posted by whoMe

But see, sals don't really seem like they're your thing. Maybe you're overloading, but honey, broccoli, zucchini, blueberries, coconut are all pretty high sals, and they are/were your baseline foods, right? Maybe it's something related like a specific phenol or something. Or maybe with all high sals foods you're just overloading a fairly big bucket? I can totally see *some* food chemical being big for you, I'm just not convinced on the sals yet...

Yeah, I'm not either. Although after we took a break from blueberries and grapes (were eating them daily), I noticed a bit of a possible reaction- like the crazy hyperactivity after grapes the other day. So who knows...

Originally Posted by JacquelineR

also, and more interestingly, though painful... i cut off part of the tip of my finger. not bad enough to go to ER but ouch.

Ouch!!

Originally Posted by ASusan

L-lysine can also help with vertigo. I don't know if that's safe for you to take.

hmmm... might have to look into that in the future. Thanks!

Originally Posted by kjbrown92

Could the cradle cap also be from introducing peas and rice in the last month and the stupid chicken pox vax? Too many variables maybe. Maybe if the TruFlora is every 4 days, I should also do clay on the mid-day between doses to get rid of some of the metals....

Ooh, yeah- I would definitely do the clay in between. Good idea.

Originally Posted by whoMe

my turn to serial post...

Dd was great for the whole time I was making dinner, gobbled up fried rice/scrambled eggs, and then nursed to sleep within minutes of dh walking in the door - wasn't just distracted by him and wanting to play. Could the benefit of these vitamins be any more obvious? And why oh why oh why does she have to fight them so!?

WOW. And can I just say I am SUPER JEALOUS? Why can't ANYTHING be so obvious for me? That would make this stuff so much easier to figure out. boo hoo for me.

[kjbrown92]

Originally Posted by changingseasons

WOW. And can I just say I am SUPER JEALOUS? Why can't ANYTHING be so obvious for me? That would make this stuff so much easier to figure out. boo hoo for me.

I feel the same way sometimes. Nothing is that obvious for us (okay the Mg/B6 flapping/clapping thing was, but that's it).

[changingseasons]

Originally Posted by kjbrown92

I feel the same way sometimes. Nothing is that obvious for us (okay the Mg/B6 flapping/clapping thing was, but that's it).

Oh yeah- did he totally stop doing that? It hasn't come back?

[Theloose]

Originally Posted by changingseasons

WOW. And can I just say I am SUPER JEALOUS? Why can't ANYTHING be so obvious for me? That would make this stuff so much easier to figure out. boo hoo for me.

How long have I been obsessed with all this? Since we first eliminated stuff in June 07? How long have I been jealous of everyone else, who actually gets to baseline? And actually can trial stuff? And who's seen cradle cap disappear? How much have I had to learn just to get to this point? And how not obvious would this be, if mamafish didn't keep going on and on about b6/mag/antimony? I've been there. It's taken almost 2 and a half years now, just to get to the point of seeing the reactions and knowing what to look for and being able to call them obvious. I don't think anyone has an easy walk down allergy lane. Except maybe mamafish, since everything seems to just magically work the first time she tries it

For the record, I still don't know if dd reacts to: dairy, soy, corn, almonds, potatoes, garbanzos, xanthan gum, melon, summer squash, winter squash, my homemade vanilla... All because we NEVER get to baseline, and we can't do any reasonable trials. Seriously. 28 months now, and I still have no freaking clue how to get to baseline.

[mamafish9]

Originally Posted by changingseasons

NO.WAY. That's something I've suffered from my whole life. It sucks.

So I already forgot what dose you said... but this one is 50mg. Is that too much to start out with? (asking after I already took the pill... )

I'd take one for a couple days, if that works, up to two, then three (so you're taking it 3 times a day). If you're deficient, you'll suck a lot of it up, and you want to get lots to DD too.

Originally Posted by chlobo

Sigh. I just checked DSs hair test. He's high in antimony.

Which I don't understand. He sleeps on an organic mattress. Organic crib sheet. Mostly all cotton, non flame retardent pajamas. Ad my antimony isn't that hight. What gives?

Do you know where your organic mattress came from? Unless you had a HCP prescription for a non-flame retardant bed, then even organic mattresses have flame retardants in them, and antimony a fairly likely possibility (apparently metals are "organic" ). The other alternative would be boric acid. But given he's high in antimony, if you can call the company and ask, I'd do that first.

My antimony isn't high, and neither is my DD's, who slept on the VERY SAME bed as my DS, and in jammies from the VERY SAME company. Some kids get rid of it, some don't.

Originally Posted by kjbrown92

I know, we're all talking about B6. But I have a yeast question....

I know nothing about yeast, but this was funny.

Originally Posted by changingseasons

Do you have carpet? That my guess for DD's exposure, because I'm not high either.

Don't discount your bed, unfortunately... carpet's a big possibility too though.

Originally Posted by changingseasons

Serial posting...

With the sals stuff- if we have sals issues, that means we should NOT do fermented foods, right? (or is that something else?)

I'm asking because I just started reviving some of my dried kefir grains yesterday, thinking we might trial the water kefir again now that we have sugar cane back.

Fermented foods is a histamine issue - the thing is, sals, phenols, histamines all use a lot of the same pathways to clear. So I tend to look at it as one big methylation/sulfoxidation/sulfation bucket, and a few nutrients can mess up all of them. With you starting to see reactions to coconut (sals) and buckwheat (phenols), it just seems like that bucket might be a bit overwhelmed.

I'd do the kefir, just not too much of it - I think DS' histamine reactions to the milk are because he's been getting too much of it kefired (I just kept adding milk to his sippy and it kept on kefiring - I think he drank like 10-15oz of kefir a few days last week, no wonder he got a stuffy nose!!). As Pat says, 1tbsp of kefir has lots of good, so start small.

Originally Posted by dannic

I just stopped by to say hi. I'll be back tomorrow and hoping I can read the whole thread...so lost where we skipped from oct to nov, lol

Hey you, long time no see ...

Originally Posted by changingseasons

Well - those are the only ones that really work well for water kefir. But the b6 will fix us so that we can tolerate sals, right?

I wouldn't worry about the sugar - the kefir grains mostly digest it, and DS handled that much unrefined sugar even when he was really sals sensitive.

Originally Posted by whoMe

But see, sals don't really seem like they're your thing. Maybe you're overloading, but honey, broccoli, zucchini, blueberries, coconut are all pretty high sals, and they are/were your baseline foods, right? Maybe it's something related like a specific phenol or something. Or maybe with all high sals foods you're just overloading a fairly big bucket? I can totally see *some* food chemical being big for you, I'm just not convinced on the sals yet...

I'm thinking the fairly big bucket thing - or more precisely, stressing out a few key nutrients (b6, mag, maybe zinc), so that lots of things are breaking down. It's so easy to theorize about someone else's reactions .

Originally Posted by JacquelineR

also, and more interestingly, though painful... i cut off part of the tip of my finger. not bad enough to go to ER but ouch.

OOOWWWWIIIEEEE!!

Originally Posted by changingseasons

Yeah, I'm not either. Although after we took a break from blueberries and grapes (were eating them daily), I noticed a bit of a possible reaction- like the crazy hyperactivity after grapes the other day. So who knows...

Grapes are high histamine too, so could have been from those. It sounds like you may have decent tolerance, but your restricted food list is pretty high in sals/amines/phenols, so you're maybe a little overloaded (or under b6'ed, we hope!!)

Originally Posted by kjbrown92

I feel the same way sometimes. Nothing is that obvious for us (okay the Mg/B6 flapping/clapping thing was, but that's it).

See, I want my kid's reactions to be "obvious" like the rest of you - so I know for sure if he's reacting or not... And hey, who knows what you might figure out after the flapping! Are you still doing the mg/b6 with your ds?

[mamafish9]

Serial posting...

Originally Posted by whoMe

And how not obvious would this be, if mamafish didn't keep going on and on about b6/mag/antimony? I've been there. It's taken almost 2 and a half years now, just to get to the point of seeing the reactions and knowing what to look for and being able to call them obvious. I don't think anyone has an easy walk down allergy lane. Except maybe mamafish, since everything seems to just magically work the first time she tries it

Is that what it looks like from the outside? Man, I'm leading you all astray, LOL...

I think we have an easier time because our reaction issues were more current (DS didn't show signs of intolerance until he was about 20 months old). So it was easy to buy into your nutrient depletion theories early on. And I shudder to think what would have happened if I couldn't read about food chemicals, detox pathways, hair tests, metals loads and nutrients on this forum. I'd still be on a TED, wondering if I was going to have any foods left.

And I can't help it if everyone's problems are all about B6/mag/antimony .

[kjbrown92]

Originally Posted by changingseasons

Oh yeah- did he totally stop doing that? It hasn't come back?

He's still doing Mg twice a day. Stopped the B6 two days ago. The flapping/clapping still didn't come back. Just weird. And the osteo said with B6, you just pee out what you don't use, so I shouldn't worry about dumping out half the capsules that I was giving him.

[chlobo]

Originally Posted by changingseasons

Do you have carpet? That my guess for DD's exposure, because I'm not high either.

We used to have carpet but almost all of them were ripped out and replaced before DS was born. We have one in our room but he doesn't spend much time there.

[tanyalynn]

Originally Posted by kjbrown92

He's still doing Mg twice a day. Stopped the B6 two days ago. The flapping/clapping still didn't come back. Just weird. And the osteo said with B6, you just pee out what you don't use, so I shouldn't worry about dumping out half the capsules that I was giving him.

Well, but remember, if he's getting maybe 50mg of B6 (I totally don't remember the number) but only 0.1mg of the other Bs (just from diet), the B6-chemical reactions will start chugging along, but there are lots, and they'll use other nutrients, now much faster than last week or last month, and with the imbalance, you can get low on something else a lot easier. I'm a big fan of a B-complex.

[chlobo]

Originally Posted by whoMe

How long have I been obsessed with all this? Since we first eliminated stuff in June 07? How long have I been jealous of everyone else, who actually gets to baseline? And actually can trial stuff? And who's seen cradle cap disappear? How much have I had to learn just to get to this point? And how not obvious would this be, if mamafish didn't keep going on and on about b6/mag/antimony? I've been there. It's taken almost 2 and a half years now, just to get to the point of seeing the reactions and knowing what to look for and being able to call them obvious. I don't think anyone has an easy walk down allergy lane. Except maybe mamafish, since everything seems to just magically work the first time she tries it

For the record, I still don't know if dd reacts to: dairy, soy, corn, almonds, potatoes, garbanzos, xanthan gum, melon, summer squash, winter squash, my homemade vanilla... All because we NEVER get to baseline, and we can't do any reasonable trials. Seriously. 28 months now, and I still have no freaking clue how to get to baseline.

Hey, no one's knocking your hard work. Just hard not to be a tiny bit jealous when someone succeeds while we're still stuck.

It's been 26 moths for me & I have no idea what baseline looks like either. But I think I'm going to have to give this mag/b6/antimony thing a try.

[chlobo]

Originally Posted by mamafish9

Do you know where your organic mattress came from? Unless you had a HCP prescription for a non-flame retardant bed, then even organic mattresses have flame retardants in them, and antimony a fairly likely possibility (apparently metals are "organic" ). The other alternative would be boric acid. But given he's high in antimony, if you can call the company and ask, I'd do that first.

Ok, here is what their website says about the mattress. I will try to confirm:

"This mattress meets all federal and state fire codes without chemicals of any kind because the thick layer of organic wool batting is self extinguishing if exposed to a flame. This crib mattress is a great option if price comes first in choosing an organic crib mattress. "

I'm just going to spit nails if it has antimony.

knew I should have bought the amish one.

[lil_miss_understood]

Originally Posted by chlobo

Ok, here is what their website says about the mattress. I will try to confirm:

"This mattress meets all federal and state fire codes without chemicals of any kind because the thick layer of organic wool batting is self extinguishing if exposed to a flame. This crib mattress is a great option if price comes first in choosing an organic crib mattress. "

I'm just going to spit nails if it has antimony.

knew I should have bought the amish one.

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