November Chat! (no, I'm not creative) - Page 2

[Thing1Thing2]

Mmmmm gummies ...

Sending hugs to JR I know how it is to get no sleep and get no SYMPATHY for it. It seems some men don't understand what it's like to be a walking zombie for days and days with no end.

Speaking of sleep, I am finally getting some. DS has slept 3 nights in a row, waking only to nurse once. Well, once is all I remember anyway. But he isn't up crying.. and thats the main thing!

Don't know what it was, b/c I'm still taking all the same sups, eating all the same food... maybe it was yeast (HAHA JP Mamafish! )

Anyway, since we are on the topic of supplements, here's my current list which I recently tweaked.

- 8000 mg Vit C
- 400 Mag
- 1000 folate
- 1000 Vit D
- 15 Zinc
- 2 coconut milk yogurts

And about the mag... I think I reached bowel tolerance today... Apparently, it is cumulative? I guess I should cut back to 200mg a day.

So here's my halloween story -DS went ToTing yesterday... He's only 17 months old, but I had a great idea for a costume, so we went. I didn't think he knew how to open the candy (famous last words).. So .. I let him play with it on the floor while I cooked. Well, he opened the now and laters and ate a little. A few minutes later he went crazy hyper. I mean, I have *never* seen him like this before. Into an epsom salt bath he went... and he was all better! Happy ending. I'm sure if I hadn't known about the epsom salt, he would have been up all night laughing hysterically... Anyway, I learned my lesson.

CM - sending easy laboring vibes your way

edit: DH was offended by what I wrote about some men not understanding. He said maybe it just bothers them that they don't know how to "fix" the problem. So they don't know how to react...which may seem to us that they don't care or understand... I apologize to all the men out there that may have been offended by my statement.

[kjbrown92]

Originally Posted by whoMe

And Kathy, back when you were making hummus way back when, what was the issue? Not smooth enough? Cause I found out a food processor gets it a lot smoother than a blender.

I was doing it without tahini because I wanted DD2 to be able to have it. I did use a food processor. Just didn't like the taste. And the last 2 times I bought it (the organic kind with stuff safe for me, but not the kids, no citric acid, etc.) my tongue got all tingly when I ate it. So then I didn't miss it so much anymore.

Originally Posted by JacquelineR

Funny, I've become increasingly convinced that he doesn't *care* how much sleep I'm getting. (He ended up NOT coming home Friday night. Our friends were kind enough to phone and tell me he was okay and at their house.)
I have no idea anymore what my NDs plan is. I'm sure he tells me every 6 months or so and I say "okay, that sounds good." I just haven't got the memory to actually retain it, so at this point I'm totally going on faith.
The supps I'm on now are what he originally started me out on, minus selenium and the mineral supp (which he took me off of a long time ago but I choose to go back on and has been messing with the nurslings' sleep since I take it at night and it has a b complex in it as well). The vitamin C I added in but he agrees I should stay on it. So, yeah, I've got faith. I'm just so tired of dragging and feeling stuck.
Maybe tomorrow I'll feel better. Took my remedy on Thursday. Not feeling *as* stuck as I did then so ... *sigh*

I'm sorry Jacqueline. Do you take notes when you go to the doctor? I have because my memory is shot and I won't remember otherwise.

[changingseasons]

Originally Posted by mamafish9

CS, I agree with Shannon - try supping DD with zinc? It's entirely posssible she is zinc deficient when you aren't - that's what happened with us. I think DS has higher than normal need for zinc, and my breastmilk wasn't getting him enough. (And so sorry if I'm repeating stuff you have already tried!!!).

The other problem with us for carb digestion was DS' antimony levels. When we started getting those down, his carb digestion got a lot better. If I'm not repeating ground we've already covered , does your DD sleep in PJs with flame retardant (any PJs except the tight cotton ones usually do, check the label for something like "wash with detergent, not soap", or "complies with fire regulations". And what mattress does she sleep on? We found that his antimony levels dropped a lot as soon as we got rid of the sources (PJs and bed were our big ones). Noticeable improvement in digestion within a month.


Coconut for us was sals. One of the first we got back when DS' sals tolerance increased (coconut milk came first, dried coconut and coconut oil came later).

That's really interesting about the coconut... DD tolerated coconut milk fine for MONTHS... then I added coconut oil, and that's when I became suspicious that she was reacting. Then she started reacting to it all. But hers is IgE. hmmm

She was actually good in zinc on her hair test (and if I'm remembering correctly, hair zinc was an accurate picture of body status?)

She is high in antimony though... that was the only thing she had in the red. I only buy pj's with the giant "no flame retardant" yellow tags, so it's not the pj's. She sleeps in our bed... we have a memory foam type of mattress topper (topper- 5 years old, mattress- 10 years old), not sure if that would have antimony or not. I suspected that her exposure was from the carpet in our old apartment- it was installed right before we moved in (while I was pregnant) and she spent a lot of time on it.

Originally Posted by JacquelineR

Funny, I've become increasingly convinced that he doesn't *care* how much sleep I'm getting. (He ended up NOT coming home Friday night. Our friends were kind enough to phone and tell me he was okay and at their house.)
I have no idea anymore what my NDs plan is. I'm sure he tells me every 6 months or so and I say "okay, that sounds good." I just haven't got the memory to actually retain it, so at this point I'm totally going on faith.
The supps I'm on now are what he originally started me out on, minus selenium and the mineral supp (which he took me off of a long time ago but I choose to go back on and has been messing with the nurslings' sleep since I take it at night and it has a b complex in it as well). The vitamin C I added in but he agrees I should stay on it. So, yeah, I've got faith. I'm just so tired of dragging and feeling stuck.
Maybe tomorrow I'll feel better. Took my remedy on Thursday. Not feeling *as* stuck as I did then so ... *sigh*

about the not coming home... I'm with Kathy on taking notes at the doctor. I'm totally the same way- when they explain stuff at the appointment, it all makes sense, and I'm ready to do it.... and by the next day, I've completely forgotten what I'm supposed to be doing.

I hope you get a little bit of rest this weekend.

[FireWithin]

I currently have an eye tic. Too much time with my mom or not enough Mag??

[Theloose]

Originally Posted by changingseasons

That's really interesting about the coconut... DD tolerated coconut milk fine for MONTHS... then I added coconut oil, and that's when I became suspicious that she was reacting. Then she started reacting to it all. But hers is IgE. hmmm

She was actually good in zinc on her hair test (and if I'm remembering correctly, hair zinc was an accurate picture of body status?)

You said poop was decent, but has gotten worse? How does the timing on that match up to the good zinc hair test?

I have no idea how the body decides what to start making antibodies to, but the concept I've been assuming (and not testing) is that things start out as intolerances and then a switch turns it to an actual allergy. If that's along the right track, then you might have a ton of information there, CS - an intolerance to coconut (sals?) and a system that overreacts to intolerances, and jumps to making antibodies. In my anatomy and physiology class, we were learning about the immune system and the cascade of events that creates antibodies. Course someone else has my book right now, but it would be a starting point to try and figure things out. Starting points like that are really important for me if I want to understand anything.


JR, what makes coconut bad for you?

[FireWithin]

Please please let's talk about coconut. This Is one of my main goals.
We have problems with low Mo and low sulfur in this house. But tolerates some high sals just fine. I'm thinking of doing my own NAET treatments to get coconut. I'm hoping homeopathy will be able to kick start something too.

[kjbrown92]

Originally Posted by Mammo2Sammo

I currently have an eye tic. Too much time with my mom or not enough Mag??

The first one would give me a tic!

[lil_miss_understood]

It's not me, it's ds2. He gets the RROD and runny stinky poo.
bbl.. other i wanted to say

[chlobo]

Originally Posted by kjbrown92

The first one would give me a tic!

Yeah that!

[changingseasons]

Originally Posted by whoMe

You said poop was decent, but has gotten worse? How does the timing on that match up to the good zinc hair test?

I have no idea how the body decides what to start making antibodies to, but the concept I've been assuming (and not testing) is that things start out as intolerances and then a switch turns it to an actual allergy. If that's along the right track, then you might have a ton of information there, CS - an intolerance to coconut (sals?) and a system that overreacts to intolerances, and jumps to making antibodies. In my anatomy and physiology class, we were learning about the immune system and the cascade of events that creates antibodies. Course someone else has my book right now, but it would be a starting point to try and figure things out. Starting points like that are really important for me if I want to understand anything.

Oh great... so I'm causing new IgE's by overloading her body with the intolerance foods? But she didn't even show any signs of intolerance to the coconut at first, which is weird. Or maybe she did, and I just blamed other foods... who knows.

Her poop has never been perfect, but it's definitely been better than now. Here's the timeline:
- on the 5th day of our latest egg trial (2 months ago maybe?), she had blood in her poo and we stopped the trial.
- every since then, there has been a little blood and/or mucous when she's had a reaction
- I started suspecting seeds were bothering her (I had been grinding them up with the buckwheat for flour for waffles), so I stopped those on 10/21. The week previous she had been pooping 3-4 times a day, very soft/loose, occasional blood. On 10/21 she pooped only once, no blood. Hasn't had any blood since. I took that as a sign that the seeds were causing blood (I'm thinking possible IgE to sunflower.)
- the NEXT day, the poops started looking a little undigested, and within a couple days, she was pooping more frequently again, 2-3 times a day, but still no blood.
- She's been holding steady with 2-3 poops a day, soft/loose, undigested food, since then.

So... we went from blood to undigested (which I guess is any improvement..). I can't figure out why. We didn't add anything at that point- the only change to our diet was removing the seeds. We've added/trialed things since then, and poop hasn't changed.

Anyone see any connections here that I'm missing?

[chlobo]

Originally Posted by changingseasons

Oh great... so I'm causing new IgE's by overloading her body with the intolerance foods? But she didn't even show any signs of intolerance to the coconut at first, which is weird. Or maybe she did, and I just blamed other foods... who knows.

Her poop has never been perfect, but it's definitely been better than now. Here's the timeline:
- on the 5th day of our latest egg trial (2 months ago maybe?), she had blood in her poo and we stopped the trial.
- every since then, there has been a little blood and/or mucous when she's had a reaction
- I started suspecting seeds were bothering her (I had been grinding them up with the buckwheat for flour for waffles), so I stopped those on 10/21. The week previous she had been pooping 3-4 times a day, very soft/loose, occasional blood. On 10/21 she pooped only once, no blood. Hasn't had any blood since. I took that as a sign that the seeds were causing blood (I'm thinking possible IgE to sunflower.)
- the NEXT day, the poops started looking a little undigested, and within a couple days, she was pooping more frequently again, 2-3 times a day, but still no blood.
- She's been holding steady with 2-3 poops a day, soft/loose, undigested food, since then.

So... we went from blood to undigested (which I guess is any improvement..). I can't figure out why. We didn't add anything at that point- the only change to our diet was removing the seeds. We've added/trialed things since then, and poop hasn't changed.

Anyone see any connections here that I'm missing?

Did you check the phase of the moon?

Have you been making regular sacrifices of virgin chicken?

Have you looked at anyone askance?

Maybe stepped on a crack?

[Theloose]

Originally Posted by changingseasons

Oh great... so I'm causing new IgE's by overloading her body with the intolerance foods? But she didn't even show any signs of intolerance to the coconut at first, which is weird. Or maybe she did, and I just blamed other foods... who knows.

What I'm wondering is if there's something else out of whack in her body that's instantly converting intolerance -> allergy, without warning. And if it's possible to identify what *that* is and address it, then that would be a huge piece of the puzzle. Then you could stop worrying about new IgE's sprouting up. At least, that's what I'm hoping.

[tanyalynn]

Originally Posted by Mammo2Sammo

I currently have an eye tic. Too much time with my mom or not enough Mag??

Your mom drains you of mag? Though seriously, stress just sucks up nutrients, part of my downward spiral was lots of extra stress. I now have a healthy respect for increased nutritional needs during times of stress. How to actually manage that in real life, I'm less clear on.

CS, I don't suppose you've got an acupuncture school anywhere nearby, do you? I just loved my needles, and I wonder if they would have reasonable prices for students. My HCP mentioned when she was in school, the instructor was there double-checking and stuff, it wasn't crazy needle-poking all on their own.

[changingseasons]

Originally Posted by chlobo

Did you check the phase of the moon?

Have you been making regular sacrifices of virgin chicken?

Have you looked at anyone askance?

Maybe stepped on a crack?

THAT'S it! That's what I've been forgetting (all of the above.)

Originally Posted by whoMe

What I'm wondering is if there's something else out of whack in her body that's instantly converting intolerance -> allergy, without warning. And if it's possible to identify what *that* is and address it, then that would be a huge piece of the puzzle. Then you could stop worrying about new IgE's sprouting up. At least, that's what I'm hoping.

Yeah... that would be nice.

Originally Posted by TanyaLopez

CS, I don't suppose you've got an acupuncture school anywhere nearby, do you? I just loved my needles, and I wonder if they would have reasonable prices for students. My HCP mentioned when she was in school, the instructor was there double-checking and stuff, it wasn't crazy needle-poking all on their own.

Yeah. I have Bastyr. Although that is a fantastic idea- I've always loved needles myself when I've had them done. There's got to be another school nearby... this is Seattle, after all.

[mamafish9]

Originally Posted by changingseasons

That's really interesting about the coconut... DD tolerated coconut milk fine for MONTHS... then I added coconut oil, and that's when I became suspicious that she was reacting. Then she started reacting to it all. But hers is IgE. hmmm

She was actually good in zinc on her hair test (and if I'm remembering correctly, hair zinc was an accurate picture of body status?)

She is high in antimony though... that was the only thing she had in the red. I only buy pj's with the giant "no flame retardant" yellow tags, so it's not the pj's. She sleeps in our bed... we have a memory foam type of mattress topper (topper- 5 years old, mattress- 10 years old), not sure if that would have antimony or not. I suspected that her exposure was from the carpet in our old apartment- it was installed right before we moved in (while I was pregnant) and she spent a lot of time on it.

Originally Posted by whoMe

You said poop was decent, but has gotten worse? How does the timing on that match up to the good zinc hair test?

I have no idea how the body decides what to start making antibodies to, but the concept I've been assuming (and not testing) is that things start out as intolerances and then a switch turns it to an actual allergy. If that's along the right track, then you might have a ton of information there, CS - an intolerance to coconut (sals?) and a system that overreacts to intolerances, and jumps to making antibodies. In my anatomy and physiology class, we were learning about the immune system and the cascade of events that creates antibodies. Course someone else has my book right now, but it would be a starting point to try and figure things out. Starting points like that are really important for me if I want to understand anything.

Originally Posted by changingseasons

Oh great... so I'm causing new IgE's by overloading her body with the intolerance foods? But she didn't even show any signs of intolerance to the coconut at first, which is weird. Or maybe she did, and I just blamed other foods... who knows.

Her poop has never been perfect, but it's definitely been better than now. Here's the timeline:
- on the 5th day of our latest egg trial (2 months ago maybe?), she had blood in her poo and we stopped the trial.
- every since then, there has been a little blood and/or mucous when she's had a reaction
- I started suspecting seeds were bothering her (I had been grinding them up with the buckwheat for flour for waffles), so I stopped those on 10/21. The week previous she had been pooping 3-4 times a day, very soft/loose, occasional blood. On 10/21 she pooped only once, no blood. Hasn't had any blood since. I took that as a sign that the seeds were causing blood (I'm thinking possible IgE to sunflower.)
- the NEXT day, the poops started looking a little undigested, and within a couple days, she was pooping more frequently again, 2-3 times a day, but still no blood.
- She's been holding steady with 2-3 poops a day, soft/loose, undigested food, since then.

So... we went from blood to undigested (which I guess is any improvement..). I can't figure out why. We didn't add anything at that point- the only change to our diet was removing the seeds. We've added/trialed things since then, and poop hasn't changed.

Anyone see any connections here that I'm missing?

OK, putting all that together in my head, CS, what I am wondering about for your DD is inflammation.

Most seeds are really high in omega 6s, so while they have lots of other good stuff in them, that can really imbalance omega 3s (especially if you don't have a lot of safe sources for the 3s!). For DS, that seems to be what created his sals sensitivity - and increasing his omega 3s and dramatically decreasing his omega 6s really helped.

Zinc also plays a role in inflammation (too much or too little and you don't respond well to inflammation). So, if your DD had adequate zinc, but then had an antimony load to deal with (zinc is used a lot in detoxing metals), and she started eating more seeds, increasing inflammatory compounds in her body....

Then maybe you get her deficient in zinc, which causes undigested foods?

Antimony might also be interfering with her utilization of magnesium, which is an important anti-inflammatory nutrient.

(Just trying to connect all the dots, this could be sooooo offbase!!). I'm guessing the tendency to move from intolerance to IgE reaction might also be related to inflammation, but there we go wayyyyyy beyond what I know anything about.

As for what to try... maybe supping zinc (since I'd take a guess she's low), maybe biotin? Are there any safe sources of omega 3s for her? Or for you that you can pass in bm? Maybe try supping mag & B6 (that would help with sals, and also with getting mag generally better used in her body. Chamomile tea (the only herb I know that is anti-inflammatory and low sals)?

[changingseasons]

mamafish- omega 3's definitely shouldn't be a problem for us, because we eat 100% grassfed lamb, 2-3 meals a day. And really, we don't have much in the way of omega 6 foods... I stopped using safflower oil too, which was probably our highest source.

I don't know... I'm always hesitant to supp DD. I don't know why... I just don't feel confident about it. And surprisingly, her hair test was pretty good- antimony was the highest thing, and it was barely in the red. No other metal issues at all, even mercury.

[changingseasons]

Tanya, Tanya- look what I found!!!! omg- $15?!!! We are flat broke, but I can make $15 work. I wonder if they do needles on toddlers too?

eta:

[tanyalynn]

Whoa! I would totally ask about toddlers, but for each visit, either you or her (eta: or better yet, back-to-back appts if someone can watch DD). Any way to get someone to watch your DD while you're being a pincushion?

Wow. Wow.

[lil_miss_understood]

Originally Posted by kjbrown92

I was doing it without tahini because I wanted DD2 to be able to have it. I did use a food processor. Just didn't like the taste. And the last 2 times I bought it (the organic kind with stuff safe for me, but not the kids, no citric acid, etc.) my tongue got all tingly when I ate it. So then I didn't miss it so much anymore.



I'm sorry Jacqueline. Do you take notes when you go to the doctor? I have because my memory is shot and I won't remember otherwise.

i used to not anymore.. i lose them

Originally Posted by changingseasons

Oh great... so I'm causing new IgE's by overloading her body with the intolerance foods? But she didn't even show any signs of intolerance to the coconut at first, which is weird. Or maybe she did, and I just blamed other foods... who knows.

Her poop has never been perfect, but it's definitely been better than now. Here's the timeline:
- on the 5th day of our latest egg trial (2 months ago maybe?), she had blood in her poo and we stopped the trial.
- every since then, there has been a little blood and/or mucous when she's had a reaction
- I started suspecting seeds were bothering her (I had been grinding them up with the buckwheat for flour for waffles), so I stopped those on 10/21. The week previous she had been pooping 3-4 times a day, very soft/loose, occasional blood. On 10/21 she pooped only once, no blood. Hasn't had any blood since. I took that as a sign that the seeds were causing blood (I'm thinking possible IgE to sunflower.)
- the NEXT day, the poops started looking a little undigested, and within a couple days, she was pooping more frequently again, 2-3 times a day, but still no blood.
- She's been holding steady with 2-3 poops a day, soft/loose, undigested food, since then.

So... we went from blood to undigested (which I guess is any improvement..). I can't figure out why. We didn't add anything at that point- the only change to our diet was removing the seeds. We've added/trialed things since then, and poop hasn't changed.

Anyone see any connections here that I'm missing?

buckwheat... did you ever stop giving her the bw? has she been tested for Celiac genes?
to *me* it seems like the slope got real steep and slippery when you got the bw from Azure.. i know that's going back a LONG way but...

[lil_miss_understood]

Oh and a quick note to self:
Stop taste testing the apple crisp. It's fine. You know it's fine when it comes out of the oven. You're not fooling anyone. We all know it's yummy apple crisp so STOP EATING ALL OF IT. Save some for breakfast.