November Chat! (no, I'm not creative) - Page 3

[changingseasons]

Originally Posted by TanyaLopez

Whoa! I would totally ask about toddlers, but for each visit, either you or her (eta: or better yet, back-to-back appts if someone can watch DD). Any way to get someone to watch your DD while you're being a pincushion?

Wow. Wow.

I know!!! I'm so excited. I can't really think of any options for childcare... so I'll have to figure that one out.

Originally Posted by JacquelineR

buckwheat... did you ever stop giving her the bw? has she been tested for Celiac genes?
to *me* it seems like the slope got real steep and slippery when you got the bw from Azure.. i know that's going back a LONG way but...

We stopped buckwheat 10/24. No change. Started it again yesterday. Poops seem were a little looser last night, but we also had some grapes (which we hadn't had in a while), so that makes it a little more confusing. Today, buckwheat... but no grapes. We'll see. Only one poop so far. No other symptoms in either of us, surprisingly.

Originally Posted by JacquelineR

Oh and a quick note to self:
Stop taste testing the apple crisp. It's fine. You know it's fine when it comes out of the oven. You're not fooling anyone. We all know it's yummy apple crisp so STOP EATING ALL OF IT. Save some for breakfast.

YUM.

[mamafish9]

Originally Posted by changingseasons

mamafish- omega 3's definitely shouldn't be a problem for us, because we eat 100% grassfed lamb, 2-3 meals a day. And really, we don't have much in the way of omega 6 foods... I stopped using safflower oil too, which was probably our highest source.

I don't know... I'm always hesitant to supp DD. I don't know why... I just don't feel confident about it. And surprisingly, her hair test was pretty good- antimony was the highest thing, and it was barely in the red. No other metal issues at all, even mercury.

My understanding of even grassfed meat is that it is fairly balanced omega 3:6 from 1:2 (grassfed) to 1:4 or worse (grainfed). So either way, it's not contributing to an imbalance of omega 6s, but it doesn't help a whole lot either (optimal ratio is 1:4 or lower).

Also, meat has nowhere near the amount of omegas as seeds. To put it in perspective, 1tbsp of safflower oil has 10 GRAMS (=10,000mg) of omega 6s. 100g of grassfed beef (sorry, I don't have data for lamb) has about 60mg of omega 3s. You'd need an extra 2500mg of omega 3s (without more omega 6s coming along for the ride) to balance out (4:1 ratio) the 1tbsp of safflower oil. That's like several pounds of lamb. Those numbers shocked me silly, and really got me thinking about our balance, in what I thought was a diet pretty rich in omega 3s (we eat grassfed meat, free range eggs, and a decent amount of fish). We were nowhere NEAR 4:1 when I started looking at this.

I hear you on supping - it made me very nervous too. I'm such a believer in whole foods. But some basic ones like zinc have been transformative for us getting foods back. 6 months ago DS couldn't do dairy, gluten, pretty much any salicylates, corn, most complex starches (e.g. potatoes, garbanzo beans), most sugars in any quantity at all. We have back all sugars and starches, moderate salicylates, and I think even dairy now.

Supping DS directly also really helped with things where what he and I needed were really different. I'm fine on zinc, he needed lots. I reach bowel tolerance on mag at 200mg, he gets that much directly now. I was going slightly nutso taking all the b6 I needed for him to get as much as he needed just from me.

[lil_miss_understood]

i actually wasn't speculating on the bw itself, cs, but the possible cc
nak- getting kicked in the arm,,, and my letter c key is missing

[momofmine]

I kept thinking I was going to go back and catch up on the October thread, but thankfully, today is a new day! So now I will just try and keep up this time.

Originally Posted by whoMe

Basic formula for gummies:
liquid sweetened/flavored to taste and heated to boiling, pour over LOTS of gelatin, stir to dissolve, let set.

I did:
2/3 c juice
7 Tbsp xylitol
boiled
1/4 c water
4T gelatin

next time I want to try just saturating cold juice with gelatin, then heating it up to melt it. These were good and gummy and everything, and people at the party were way impressed, but I think they could have been chewier.

Wow, this looks like it actually could be possible for us on SCD, without the xylitol. How fun that would be to make gummy worms! We've made jello-wigglers with just juice, water, and gelatin, and the kids like those. They are firmer than jell-o. So I guess it's the same concept, just even firmer.

So what kind of mold did you use? What did you grease the molds with? And do you think we could sub honey, since honey is a liquid and the xylitol is a powder? Would that even work? Or could you just leave the sweetener out? With full-strength juice that would probably be plenty sweet for my crew.

Originally Posted by mamafish9

Most seeds are really high in omega 6s, so while they have lots of other good stuff in them, that can really imbalance omega 3s (especially if you don't have a lot of safe sources for the 3s!). For DS, that seems to be what created his sals sensitivity - and increasing his omega 3s and dramatically decreasing his omega 6s really helped.

I wonder if this could be related for us too. What did you do to increase his Omega 3's?

We eat a LOT (like 5 times a day) of grass-fed meats and properly-raised eggs. We also eat quite a lot of sunflower seed butter. Do you think my guys might be getting too many Omega 6's? The only Omega 3's they get is RFCLO.

I wonder about zinc too.

Originally Posted by mamafish9

I hear you on supping - it made me very nervous too. I'm such a believer in whole foods. But some basic ones like zinc have been transformative for us getting foods back. 6 months ago DS couldn't do dairy, gluten, pretty much any salicylates, corn, most complex starches (e.g. potatoes, garbanzo beans), most sugars in any quantity at all. We have back all sugars and starches, moderate salicylates, and I think even dairy now.

Supping DS directly also really helped with things where what he and I needed were really different. I'm fine on zinc, he needed lots. I reach bowel tolerance on mag at 200mg, he gets that much directly now. I was going slightly nutso taking all the b6 I needed for him to get as much as he needed just from me.

How did you know he needed tons of zinc? Just trial and error?

And DS1 and I both get the congestion from dairy products, so what specifically was that again that decreased that reaction for you guys? I remember reading your posts about this, but now I am not sure where that was. Was it something specific that made him able to tolerate dairy again?

[Theloose]

Originally Posted by momofmine

Wow, this looks like it actually could be possible for us on SCD, without the xylitol. How fun that would be to make gummy worms! We've made jello-wigglers with just juice, water, and gelatin, and the kids like those. They are firmer than jell-o. So I guess it's the same concept, just even firmer.

So what kind of mold did you use? What did you grease the molds with? And do you think we could sub honey, since honey is a liquid and the xylitol is a powder? Would that even work? Or could you just leave the sweetener out? With full-strength juice that would probably be plenty sweet for my crew.

I think honey would be fine - You dissolve the sugar/xylitol, so I don't see how honey would be much different. I used some plastic chocolate molds for rounds, and for the worms, spread a sheet of foil with a thin layer of coconut oil, then put it on top of a cookie cooling rack, and use a finger to press in the grooves to get little troughs

[changingseasons]

Originally Posted by JacquelineR

i actually wasn't speculating on the bw itself, cs, but the possible cc

Yeah... I know. We haven't done the celiac gene testing, although I would like to. I will ask my ped (again ) if they can order it, but I'm guessing it's going to be an out of pocket for us. Which means that it will have to wait a while.

Which labs do the gene testing anyway? I know enterolab is one, right? Are there more? Maybe I need to shop around...

[tanyalynn]

What are the things that tend to go along with celiac? Type 1 diabetes, um... digestive problems that don't get a diagnosis, what else? Is there anything in your family history that seems odd, or that comes up in multiple people? Guess you've probably already thought this out and nothing's jumped out at you.

[changingseasons]

Originally Posted by TanyaLopez

What are the things that tend to go along with celiac? Type 1 diabetes, um... digestive problems that don't get a diagnosis, what else? Is there anything in your family history that seems odd, or that comes up in multiple people? Guess you've probably already thought this out and nothing's jumped out at you.

Well, the problem is that I'm not really close to anyone in my family.... so I know very little of medical histories. What I do know: major mental illness in my paternal grandmother (bipolar/schizophrenic), alcoholic father, heart attacks in both maternal and paternal grandfather.... both myself and my mom have a minor mitral valve prolapse... the connective tissue disorders that Shannon posted about a while back seemed like they might fit, but I'm not sure how that all ties together with allergies.

eta: I'm in one of my "off" periods right now.... I seem to cycle up and down with my moods, attention level, energy, etc. I think that it's hormonal (adrenal?), but of course that's another thing that I just can't focus on long enough to figure out.

[momofmine]

Originally Posted by whoMe

I think honey would be fine - You dissolve the sugar/xylitol, so I don't see how honey would be much different. I used some plastic chocolate molds for rounds, and for the worms, spread a sheet of foil with a thin layer of coconut oil, then put it on top of a cookie cooling rack, and use a finger to press in the grooves to get little troughs

Wow, you are so resourceful!

[Thing1Thing2]

CS - I'm far from being an expert, especially compared to other ladies here.... but I've been thinking about this for a couple days now and then JR hit on it about the buckwheat.

Is it possible your lo has leaky gut? I could be totally off here, but gluten (possibly in the buckwheat) sometimes takes weeks to totally be eliminated from the body.

And if it's irritating an already leaky gut, then all the other foods would irritate her as well, because particles would be going directly into the bloodstream.

Have you ever tried going off of buckwheat for longer than a week, just to see what happens?

[lil_miss_understood]

Originally Posted by BonnieNova

CS - I'm far from being an expert, especially compared to other ladies here.... but I've been thinking about this for a couple days now and then JR hit on it about the buckwheat.

Is it possible your lo has leaky gut? I could be totally off here, but gluten (possibly in the buckwheat) sometimes takes weeks to totally be eliminated from the body.

And if it's irritating an already leaky gut, then all the other foods would irritate her as well, because particles would be going directly into the bloodstream.

Have you ever tried going off of buckwheat for longer than a week, just to see what happens?

I have to play devil's advocate here.
It's easy for us to say "take it out longer" as we sit in our own positions in life with options of dozens of foods to eat but remember that cs has TEN foods to choose from on any given day. All but 2 being veggies. And I believe there have been issues with non-organic produce then... I can't imagine that grocery bill (not to mention the boredom with food).
I can't even imagine how hungry I'd be with just one (very expensive) protein and one "grain", even before removing the grain... Then take that grain away?
I believe cs is looking for an affordable pure bw so she can rule out the gluten issue.
Of course, I may have misunderstood things.

[lil_miss_understood]

So, I was talking to my mom last night online. She was at one of my brothers' girlfriend's houses. Anyway, I realized, Hey! I can send her to my blog and she can check it out! I gave her the link and things got a little out of hand..
She's like "What's this?"
I said "My site. It's a blog."
Mom: What's a blog?
Me: Web log. It's like a journal. Mine has recipes.
Mom: Recipes?.... Wait, you mean your made up recipes?
Me: Yes, mom. My recipes.
Mom: How many recipes?
Me: Not many. Maybe 10 or so.
Mom: That's a lot of recipes!
Me: ... Not really.. I'm kind of bad about posting to it because they have to be *just right*. I'm very picky about what goes on there. (I should note that I wasn't quite so picky before and i have a couple recipes on there I want to revise. ) It's not many at all compared to my book.
Mom: YOUR BOOK?!
Me: Yeah, my recipe book... You know, the book I keep my recipes I'm working on in?
Mom: Yeah I know. I just didn't realize you'd found a publisher!
Me: .... No mom. Sorry to disappoint you, not yet.

Hah. Oops.

[BeantownBaby9]

Originally Posted by kjbrown92

Mmmmm... Necco wafers. Purely incidental, anyone know what Necco stands for?

NEW ENGLAND Confectionary Co. Its here in Boston

Originally Posted by mtn.mama

I KNOW that if I had made some different choices that my little girl would be so much worse off... that we all would be. That my great grandchildren would be so much worse off...
....
What happens when you traditionally vax a child with multiple food allergies (all the biggies at one point), IgE to formaldehyde, double MTHFR markers, insanely high heavy metals across the board, probably Celiac and definitely nutrient absorption challenged? Let me give you a hint... even without vaxxing she has behaviors that are spectrum-esque.


I've pulled all stops and its working for us for now. But if it weren't, I'd still KNOW I've pulled all stops. I mean, what's the alternative? Quit and watch things go downhill fast? No, I've been at the bottom and just can't do that.

Lisa, this is exactly how I feel, and so funny b/c I was defending my lonely island yesterday to my cousin who, well meaning but of very opposing viewpoint, came over with What to Expect about Vaccinations. She told me I'd feel fine about vaxing after reading it. (ps, I hate the WTE series). People just don't get the food-gut-allergy connection to ASD, ADHD and asthma. They believe in 1sized fits all medicine, even if there are at risk kids who are succeptable to environmental toxins. If you can't process food correctly, how in HELL are you going to process a viral/chemical/metal assault? Something in my mommy gut said to look into this stuff and delay, the more I learned, it scared me enough to wait, and now, how lucky am I that I may have saved DS from further, maybe irreparable harm? I know I did my best with that, and I, like you said, am not going to sit around and do nothing. Keep emptying the bank account trying to figure out what works and what makes him better. Guess what, its WORKING! We are adding foods, he's sleeping better, I have only seen 1 rash since June. Sorry, rant over. I just feel lucky and blessed, as you probably do too, in this regard

Originally Posted by whoMe

:yawning

We *really* don't do well with too much sugar and not enough real food

Oh no, rough night TOT-ing?

Originally Posted by whoMe

And Kathy, back when you were making hummus way back when, what was the issue? Not smooth enough? Cause I found out a food processor gets it a lot smoother than a blender.

And yeah, CS, if there are no other reactions than continued undigested food in the poop, I'd consider rice a good enough pass at this point. Do you realize what it would mean if you got rice back!?

I put a little bit of OJ in my hummus and it helps smooth and creamy-fy it.

Thanks for posting this. I don't see reactions to the greens we feed C, but I hate seeing it undigested. I'll consider it a pass for now

Originally Posted by JacquelineR

Funny, I've become increasingly convinced that he doesn't *care* how much sleep I'm getting. (He ended up NOT coming home Friday night. Our friends were kind enough to phone and tell me he was okay and at their house.)

I am no marriage counselor by any means, but I think you guys need to have a heart to heart, if you can pin him down without the kiddos around. As upsetting as him not coming home must be, ask questions, why, how, do you...etc......it will help unlock the tension and potentially get him to understand the implications of your lack of sleep. Are you nearing your breaking point and do you know what it would look like if you got there? Some people, and couples, need to break down in order to break through.

Originally Posted by mamafish9

CS, I agree with Shannon - try supping DD with zinc? It's entirely posssible she is zinc deficient when you aren't - that's what happened with us. I think DS has higher than normal need for zinc, and my breastmilk wasn't getting him enough. (And so sorry if I'm repeating stuff you have already tried!!!).

The other problem with us for carb digestion was DS' antimony levels. When we started getting those down, his carb digestion got a lot better. If I'm not repeating ground we've already covered , does your DD sleep in PJs with flame retardant (any PJs except the tight cotton ones usually do, check the label for something like "wash with detergent, not soap", or "complies with fire regulations". And what mattress does she sleep on? We found that his antimony levels dropped a lot as soon as we got rid of the sources (PJs and bed were our big ones). Noticeable improvement in digestion within a month.

...I have a kid on the spectrum, nonvaxed, with pretty poor detox pathways. I don't even want to think about what would have happened if I vaxed him.

I agree with the zinc supping CS, C needs more than I do. Figure one more generation removed, increased nutritional deficiencies from us, unfortunately

Originally Posted by crunchy_mama

We are trying to catch a little cold here as well-sigh- and I keep having prodormal labor- lots of fun at my house. We didn't even do anything last night between the contractions and trying to fight the intense urge to vomit I wasn't up to it. We are going to play dress up tonight and make candy- assuming labor doesn't come!

OOoooh ELVs coming your way!

Originally Posted by BonnieNova

Speaking of sleep, I am finally getting some. DS has slept 3 nights in a row, waking only to nurse once. Well, once is all I remember anyway. But he isn't up crying.. and thats the main thing!

Don't know what it was, b/c I'm still taking all the same sups, eating all the same food... maybe it was yeast (HAHA JP Mamafish! )
....

edit: DH was offended by what I wrote about some men not understanding. He said maybe it just bothers them that they don't know how to "fix" the problem. So they don't know how to react...which may seem to us that they don't care or understand... I apologize to all the men out there that may have been offended by my statement.

BRILLIANT DH! One of my worst offenses used to be seeing DH's silence or lack of interest or lack of affection as not caring, not being on the same page, or even not loving me enough. Its not that at all, its exactly what you said, they don't know how to express their feelings of inadequacy when it comes to fixing their sick kids.

Yay for sleep, that is great!

Originally Posted by Mammo2Sammo

I currently have an eye tic. Too much time with my mom or not enough Mag??

That would DEFINITELY be from more than 30min with my mom!

Originally Posted by changingseasons

Oh great... so I'm causing new IgE's by overloading her body with the intolerance foods? But she didn't even show any signs of intolerance to the coconut at first, which is weird. Or maybe she did, and I just blamed other foods... who knows.

Her poop has never been perfect, but it's definitely been better than now. Here's the timeline:
- on the 5th day of our latest egg trial (2 months ago maybe?), she had blood in her poo and we stopped the trial.
- every since then, there has been a little blood and/or mucous when she's had a reaction
- I started suspecting seeds were bothering her (I had been grinding them up with the buckwheat for flour for waffles), so I stopped those on 10/21. The week previous she had been pooping 3-4 times a day, very soft/loose, occasional blood. On 10/21 she pooped only once, no blood. Hasn't had any blood since. I took that as a sign that the seeds were causing blood (I'm thinking possible IgE to sunflower.)
- the NEXT day, the poops started looking a little undigested, and within a couple days, she was pooping more frequently again, 2-3 times a day, but still no blood.
- She's been holding steady with 2-3 poops a day, soft/loose, undigested food, since then.

So... we went from blood to undigested (which I guess is any improvement..). I can't figure out why. We didn't add anything at that point- the only change to our diet was removing the seeds. We've added/trialed things since then, and poop hasn't changed.

Anyone see any connections here that I'm missing?

Change in fresh air or sunlight/vitamin d or water intake?

Mamafish, thanks for your yeast clarification on the other chat thread. That is exactly what I was looking for. There are some really knowledgeable women on there but it seems like sometimes they are missing the nutrient deficiency portion, and too focused on the yeast/GFCF only portion. I added B's for C starting last week on Shannons suggestion and I am seeing a difference in his color and his eyes.

You guys want a good laugh? I am in atlanta for work this week, flew down last night. Got here to the office this morning and realized the meeting doesn't start until tomorrow. I AM SUCH AN IDIOT. I left my baby for an extra day for no goddam good reason. I feel like a schmuck, but I can't bring myself to tell DH. I did read a book on the plane yesterday, could not put it down. Jenny McCarthy's Mother Warriors...I loved her other books, figured I'd love this and I have never read a book cover to cover in one sitting. It was amazing. And a few good tidbits of data thrown in for good measure. If anyone wants it, I'm happy to send it for free to anyone. So now what in heck am I going to read the rest of the week? I was thinking this this or this if I can find them locally

Oh and I am calling it....EGGS PASS! We are on to zucchini.

[changingseasons]

Originally Posted by BonnieNova

CS - I'm far from being an expert, especially compared to other ladies here.... but I've been thinking about this for a couple days now and then JR hit on it about the buckwheat.

Is it possible your lo has leaky gut? I could be totally off here, but gluten (possibly in the buckwheat) sometimes takes weeks to totally be eliminated from the body.

And if it's irritating an already leaky gut, then all the other foods would irritate her as well, because particles would be going directly into the bloodstream.

Have you ever tried going off of buckwheat for longer than a week, just to see what happens?

Well, there are lots of reasons why I'm fighting the buckwheat theory... one, we've gotten to baseline WITH buckwheat. two, the poops seem to change (better/worse) with no changes in our buckwheat consumption. three, we've gone off it for a couple weeks (after eating it daily- and a LOT of it) and reintroduced without one tiny symptom. Everything else that I've pulled and reintroduced has had very obvious symptoms. and I guess four.... what JR says below.

Originally Posted by JacquelineR

I have to play devil's advocate here.
It's easy for us to say "take it out longer" as we sit in our own positions in life with options of dozens of foods to eat but remember that cs has TEN foods to choose from on any given day. All but 2 being veggies. And I believe there have been issues with non-organic produce then... I can't imagine that grocery bill (not to mention the boredom with food).
I can't even imagine how hungry I'd be with just one (very expensive) protein and one "grain", even before removing the grain... Then take that grain away?
I believe cs is looking for an affordable pure bw so she can rule out the gluten issue.
Of course, I may have misunderstood things.

Yeah... even with rice back, I hate to lose buckwheat. I really don't llike rice.

Originally Posted by BeantownBaby9

I agree with the zinc supping CS, C needs more than I do. Figure one more generation removed, increased nutritional deficiencies from us, unfortunately
Change in fresh air or sunlight/vitamin d or water intake?


Oh and I am calling it....EGGS PASS! We are on to zucchini.

Yay for eggs!!!

I'm fighting the zinc theory too.... because both DD's AND my hair test showed that our levels were good. And my test came back with the "all-low" presentation, which means that it's probably even higher than the test shows (it has me dead center at 50th percentile range.) And we're tons better than we were when we had the tests done, so if anything we've healed since then.

Possibility with the change in fresh air/sunlight. We're in a new house and busy with projects, plus we've just been thrown right into a Seattle winter with lots of clouds and rain... so we definitely haven't been getting as much fresh air or sunshine around here. I'm thinking about starting DD on a D supp directly (I've just been supping myself), but have to figure out a good way to do that. I'm using the Pure Encapsulations capsules, which I could open- but I haven't checked how the powder tastes, if I could easily hide it in something. (But what? DD only drinks water.... hmmmm)

[lil_miss_understood]

i think I reached it, BTB.
I asked him yesterday if he wanted to see a marriage counselor or if he just wants to talk custody. He said he's willing to work on things. We talked a very little (we were online and he pissed me off by being reasonable at one point and I left ).
I don't think he realizes still why his inviting everyone and their cousin on our date nights upset me. And I don't think he gets that I am so upset with him for so many things that I feel incapable of speaking to him reasonably about them anymore... he seems to think it's something we can work through ourselves.
he fell asleep last night before we could speak face to face.

eta: yeah um.. breaking point in exhaustion. i hallucinate when i get to that point. btdt. i'm not nearly there yet... for me that took 15 mins of sleep/day for 4 months to reach with ds1

[tanyalynn]

CS, do you have anything that could be made applesauce-like? Using applesauce or something similar to hide stuff between 2 layers, like a sandwich, hides all manner of things.

[changingseasons]

Originally Posted by JacquelineR

i think I reached it, BTB.
I asked him yesterday if he wanted to see a marriage counselor or if he just wants to talk custody. He said he's willing to work on things. We talked a very little (we were online and he pissed me off by being reasonable at one point and I left ).
I don't think he realizes still why his inviting everyone and their cousin on our date nights upset me. And I don't think he gets that I am so upset with him for so many things that I feel incapable of speaking to him reasonably about them anymore... he seems to think it's something we can work through ourselves.
he fell asleep last night before we could speak face to face.

Oh no. I hope things work out. Please, please let us know if the retreat needs to be rescheduled or moved (to ease your stress levels.)

Originally Posted by TanyaLopez

CS, do you have anything that could be made applesauce-like? Using applesauce or something similar to hide stuff between 2 layers, like a sandwich, hides all manner of things.

hmmmm... mashed potatoes are the only thing I can think of, although I definitely don't want to do those every night because I'm not even positive they're safe. I guess I could just start her at once or twice a week, huh?

[tanyalynn]

Oh JR, I cross-posted earlier.

[kjbrown92]

Originally Posted by BeantownBaby9

NEW ENGLAND Confectionary Co. Its here in Boston

I thought about excluding the Boston women, then figured you guys probably would be the only ones who WOULD know. It's one of those useless trivia things that stick in my head.

Originally Posted by JacquelineR

i think I reached it, BTB.
I asked him yesterday if he wanted to see a marriage counselor or if he just wants to talk custody. He said he's willing to work on things. We talked a very little (we were online and he pissed me off by being reasonable at one point and I left ).
I don't think he realizes still why his inviting everyone and their cousin on our date nights upset me. And I don't think he gets that I am so upset with him for so many things that I feel incapable of speaking to him reasonably about them anymore... he seems to think it's something we can work through ourselves.
he fell asleep last night before we could speak face to face.

Hugs. I wish I was there to spell you so you could have a nap. When is that island going to be ready?

[lil_miss_understood]

Originally Posted by changingseasons

Oh no. I hope things work out. Please, please let us know if the retreat needs to be rescheduled or moved (to ease your stress levels.)

hmmmm... mashed potatoes are the only thing I can think of, although I definitely don't want to do those every night because I'mo not even positive they're safe. I guess I could just start her at once or twice a week, huh?

call me the Queen of Denial, if you want, but I honestly think it's going to be fine. i considered it over the weekend but something in me needs to do it.. that probably sounds really silly but...
what about mashed or pureed beets or carrots?