Originally Posted by MyLilPwny
be the death rates and not the incidence rates. That's what matters.
Your argument was that vaccines were completely ineffective and diseases were already vanishing before they had vaccines. This is a question of incidence rates. The measles vaccine is clearly quite effective in preventing measles.
I brought up several posts ago that deaths rates had already gone down substantially prior to vaccines due to a combination of better living condition an better medicine. But, for diseases that still circulated freely, while the death rate were much, much lower than they had been, people still did die from them, and they would do so still today. They had bleach and running water and handwashing and sewers when my mom was a kid in the fifties. While medicine has improved in many ways since then, there is still not much they can do to help fight a virus besides treat symptoms and offer support, and they had already developed antibiotics to treat opportunistic bacterial pneumonia, so how much differently would measles be treated now than then?
Finally, the death rate are not all that matters. Rate of complications, especially serious ones such as permanent brain damage or damage to sight or hearing or scarring in the lungs or facial scarring also matter. Beyond that,being sick and miserable just suck.
Did you know that people who were never vaccinated for those diseases (including there being no vaccine for the common cold, etc.), expose themselves to those germs but never develop the disease? How does that happen? Because of the healthy non toxic ways which strengthen the immune system and overall health. Thus, the incidences of diseases (and deaths) actually decline when implementing these healthy ways. Vaccines are unhealthy toxic diseased poison which disables and pollutes the bloodstream and body, completely counteracting and opposite to healthy ways for developing a clean strong immune system and body.
Sure. My friends unvaxed kids and my fully vaxed kids were all playing with another friend's unvaxed kids right before one of them broke out in chickenpox. His sister got it, but none of the other kids got it, even though they were playing with him when he should have been quite contagious. Maybe my kid's vaccines proteced them, or maybe they wouldn't have gotten it anyway, there is no way to know. Mine still haven't had it in the five years or so since. My friend's unvaxed kids did get it after being exposed again a little under a year later, and while it wasn't too bad in two of her kids, her youngest had a pretty nasty case of them. So.. should we presume they were super-healthy and resistant to chickenpox when they were exposed at the playdate but then declined in health by the time they actually did get it? Or is it more likely just random chance that even though we thought they were very exposed and sure to get it, they didn't actually get enough of an exposure or breath in enough virus to infect them?
There are rare cases of people who have unnoticed cases of measles or chickenppox, especially if they have them as infants while still protected by maternal antibodies. Of course, this isn't always a good thing as kids who have chickenpox before age one may have a milder case (though it can be serious if they don't actually have enough maternal antibodies), they are more likely to have chickenpox twice or end up with pediatric shingles.
There are also some people who have genetic resistance to certain diseases, including people who are resistant to HIV, and taking bone marrow from one of them and transplanting it into a girl with HIV (for other reasons than just intending to treating the HIV) seems to have made her HIV go away.
Then there are people like my grandmother who just seem to almost never get sick for unknown reasons. She's nearly a hundred and lives mostly independently and has a pretty active social life. She was born in the age before most vaccines and such but recovered well. Unfortunately she didn't have antibiotics either so ended up in the hospital for quite a while from an ear infection that nearly killed her and did cause permanent damage to her hearing in one ear. But now she is quite healthy for he age. She has one of the worst sweet tooths I've ever come across though, and she's always been a fan of processed food, especially since she quit cooking when my grandfather died nearly thirty years ago and has lived pretty much on frozen dinners and stuff out of boxes since. Perhaps all the sugar and preservatives are preserving her health now?
Eating properly and getting enough sleep and avoiding stress and all that can help your immune system function properly and help it fight off disease better. In the same way, getting enough calcium and magnesium an vitamin D and whatever an getting proper excercise builds stronger bones. But no matter how much you build up your bones, you still might break them in a fall or playing sports, and no matter how well you treat your immune system, it's can only be as strong as your genetics make it and no amount of supplements or sleep or whole foods that will keep the vast, vast majority of people from getting measles at some point if it were allowed to circulate, and no such thing ever as a perfect immune system which can fight off any amount of exposure to any amount of disease.
Your body is designed to clear toxins and can do so just fine with the very small amounts in vaccine. They are not harmful to the immune system.
And I realize I am making some assumptions of what your ideas of improving immune health are, so just what is your opinion of how one builds a healthy body and strong immune system?