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post #21 of 178
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Originally Posted by caned & able View Post
NO.

I believe we would have less vaccine damage.

Better sanitation would have taken care of the rest.

As Thomas Alva Edison said, "If all of the medicine were tossed into the sea, would be better for the humans and worse for the fishes"

I'm with this.
post #22 of 178
Vaccines as we know them are a new invention. Not even 2 generations old. 100 years ago most people weren't vaccinated at all. Why would the population numbers be that different?

-Angela
post #23 of 178
because infant mortality used to be huge...

and it was all due to vaccine preventable diseases...

like the summer runs (which killed vast numbers of babies)--

what we need are some infant mortality comparison charts, looking at the overall infant mortality in the U.S. from 1900 to 2009.
post #24 of 178
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Originally Posted by Deborah View Post
because infant mortality used to be huge...

and it was all due to vaccine preventable diseases...

like the summer runs (which killed vast numbers of babies)--

what we need are some infant mortality comparison charts, looking at the overall infant mortality in the U.S. from 1900 to 2009.
Don't forget to compare sanitation practices from 1900 to 2009 as well.
post #25 of 178
Here, I found an excellent article. So far, no mention of vaccination and I've read the first four or five paragraphs

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In 1900 in some U.S. cities, up to 30% of infants died before reaching their first birthday (1). Efforts to reduce infant mortality focused on improving environmental and living conditions in urban areas (1). Urban environmental interventions (e.g., sewage and refuse disposal and safe drinking water) played key roles in reducing infant mortality.
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From 1950 through 1964, infant mortality declined more slowly (1).
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The reduction in vaccine-preventable diseases (e.g., diphtheria, tetanus, measles, poliomyelitis, and Haemophilus influenzae type b meningitis) has reduced infant morbidity and has had a modest effect on infant mortality (9).
post #26 of 178
Just want to point out that the article is not from an anti-vaccine web-site. This article was published by...The Centers for Disease Control.
post #27 of 178
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Originally Posted by Deborah View Post
because infant mortality used to be huge...

and it was all due to vaccine preventable diseases...

like the summer runs (which killed vast numbers of babies)--

what we need are some infant mortality comparison charts, looking at the overall infant mortality in the U.S. from 1900 to 2009.

'summer runs'.... I tried to google that with no luck, My best guess is babies getting 'the runs' during the summer... lol.....

If that were the case, then I have an anactotal story.
My dd2 got rotovirus when she was 2yo. Nastiest week of my life. Between the diarreah, and the vomiting my babe got seriously dehydrated. Even a sip of water would come back up.
She ended up admitted to the hospital for a day to get hydrated (IV)
I suppose if it was 1900 she may not of made it.
'the runs' plus the vomit could of killed her.

If the 'summer runs' have nothing to do with diarreah, then I apologize, I was just taking a guess.....

All that being said, that was the sickest any of my kids have EVER gotten, and I still would NOT vaccinate for rotovirus......
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post #29 of 178
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Originally Posted by AbundantLife View Post
That sure is a classy video.

Show a few horrible pictures and insist that just because someone didn't get a PHD than they couldn't possibly be smart.

I wonder if the guy that wrote that song or the people that made the video did any vaccine research at all?
post #30 of 178
Scarlet, yes, you got it right, the summer runs was diarrhea, one of those words that I can never remember how to spell. Women used to breastfeed through the child's second summer in the hope of preventing the child from getting it and dying. It wasn't just rotavirus, though, almost any bug could do a malnourished child in, especially since clean water was hard to come by.
post #31 of 178
Remember, though, measles vax was created to protect fetuses from blindness, not to reduce infant mortality.
post #32 of 178
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Originally Posted by AbundantLife View Post
I am not sure whether to laugh or rant. That is absolutely absurd.
post #33 of 178
Look into Vitamin A therapy for helping reverse blindness from measles.

Even this government source states to use vitamin A (and they go on to promote vaccines, big surprise. I hate gov't sources, but some people will not believe my "alternative" sources.) So even the government recognizes the importance of vitamin A.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14998696

And try to dig up graphs of the decline of measles.....it was at record low numbers before the vaccine was even introduced.
post #34 of 178
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Originally Posted by Cristiaz View Post
If vaccines were never invented AND chemicalized fake food was never invented, the world would be a happier healthier place.
Amen!
post #35 of 178
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Originally Posted by BeckyBird View Post
And try to dig up graphs of the decline of measles.....it was at record low numbers before the vaccine was even introduced.
Could someone find this? From what I recall, the graph I saw had to do with deaths from measles, but not incidence of measles before vaccine was introduced.

I googled "decline of measles" one of the first hits was this:

http://www.who.int/mediacentre/news/.../en/index.html

and this:

http://aje.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/co...tract/145/1/51

My nearly 3 yo son is not yet vaccinated, so I am obviously iffy on the vaccine issue. But, to be very honest, research like this pushes me toward the "thank goodness for vaccines" side of things....
post #36 of 178
I did a quick google on infant mortality and also im + vaccines. Most of the articles that popped up had to do with the history of cleanliness, prenatal check ups, nutrition, seasons and hardships, famine, medical advancement etc. Hardly any of those had anything to do w/ vaccines.
On the vaccine search it was 50/50 either way. Sids reports no connection, but a lot of places stated the connection between infant mortality and the vaccines.
But the US infant mortality has increased despite the medical advances, so something must be wrong.
I don't know how many people would have survived if childhood vaccines had not been developed.
post #37 of 178
Did you happen to read the next sentence after the one about Vit A supplementation?
post #38 of 178
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Originally Posted by BeckyBird View Post
Look into Vitamin A therapy for helping reverse blindness from measles.

Even this government source states to use vitamin A (and they go on to promote vaccines, big surprise. I hate gov't sources, but some people will not believe my "alternative" sources.) So even the government recognizes the importance of vitamin A.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14998696
I thought Vit A only had an impact when someone had a vit A deficiency? And it is effective only when given whilst a person has measles, not as a cure after blindness has occurred? Or do I have the wrong end of the stick?
post #39 of 178
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Originally Posted by BeckyBird View Post
Look into Vitamin A therapy for helping reverse blindness from measles.

Even this government source states to use vitamin A (and they go on to promote vaccines, big surprise. I hate gov't sources, but some people will not believe my "alternative" sources.) So even the government recognizes the importance of vitamin A.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14998696
This article specifically addresses children in developing countries who are Vitamin A deficient. It is pretty well documented, the link between vitamin A deficiency and measles blindness. It is a preventative measure. It can't magically make you see again. From the article you linked;

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I don't know that I would call the Survey of Ophthalmology a "govt source" btw
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And try to dig up graphs of the decline of measles.....it was at record low numbers before the vaccine was even introduced.
This is not even close to true. The measles vaccine is almost solely responsible for the decline of measles cases. Deaths and complications from measles were at a relatively low level before the vaccine was introduced, mainly due to better nutrition. But cases, yeah they were pretty constant year on year.
post #40 of 178
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Originally Posted by Cristiaz View Post
If vaccines were never invented AND chemicalized fake food was never invented, the world would be a happier healthier place.
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