How about another Classical/CM thread? - Page 3

[Momma Aimee]

theretohere -- THANKS !!

we read a ton -- a ton -- Theo does like it. Charles (2) will not sit for it .. Theo WOULD sit for reading long before 2 ... each child is so different.

we do a lot of art too -- crafts and coloring adn so on

Aimee

[theretohere]

Originally Posted by Momma Aimee

theretohere -- THANKS !!

we read a ton -- a ton -- Theo does like it. Charles (2) will not sit for it .. Theo WOULD sit for reading long before 2 ... each child is so different.

we do a lot of art too -- crafts and coloring adn so on

Aimee

Sounds to me like they are right on track, then.

[ocelotmom]

Originally Posted by Momma Aimee

but i look at some of the lists and think WOW i just do not see Theodore being ready for this stuff or able to do some of this stuff -- at least at the younger ages listed -- for example the Formidable List of Attainments for a Child of Six --

...

for example at 4 Theo can barely speak and be understood -- so he can't really recit anything yet. he does KNWO several nusery rhymes .. but even i can't "decode' most of the words.

I know he is young still, but i feel there is so much trapped in his head he can't share -- but that he knows.

Just read back through the thread and saw that this had never been addressed.

My DS, 6, is not special needs. However, he was a late talker, and I feel like he's a bit slow at reading as well, especially compared to his family history. This is one reason I chose CM - development of comprehension, reading skill, and verbal/written expression are interconnected, but not reliant on eachother. A child who cannot read confidently, or who isn't great at expressing themselves, is still going to be developing their comprehension skills with high quality books. You don't spend years getting them up to the level where they can read higher level language on their own before exposing them to it - they get it continuously from the start, and gradually transition to reading it on their own.

Likewise, I think narration and copywork are excellent tools for developing expression in children who struggle with getting their words out, writing, or both. They can work on whatever level they need, and they don't have to concentrate on simultaneously figuring out what to say and going through the mechanical act of writing.

Remember, you can always adapt the curriculum to fit your needs. If your child has a lot of trouble with narration, you can set your goals lower in that aspect, while still reading books that challenge and improve his comprehension. And the formidable list of attainments is just that - a *formidable* list, not a minimum list. You're not failing CM if your child can't do everything on the list by 6. And keep in mind that he will probably be able to do other things requiring an equivalent skill level that aren't mentioned in the list.

Also, you're right that he is still very young. There's a huge amount of development that occurs within very short periods of time at this age. Remember that, if he has the comprehension, he'll be able to do the expression when his skill level improves in that area, which it almost certainly will in some way or another eventually. In the long run, the timing is much less important than the end result.

Have you seen this page? http://www.amblesideonline.org/SpecialNeeds.shtml

[Momma Aimee]

Originally Posted by ocelotmom

Just read back through the thread and saw that this had never been addressed.

My DS, 6, is not special needs. However, he was a late talker, and I feel like he's a bit slow at reading as well, especially compared to his family history. This is one reason I chose CM - development of comprehension, reading skill, and verbal/written expression are interconnected, but not reliant on eachother. A child who cannot read confidently, or who isn't great at expressing themselves, is still going to be developing their comprehension skills with high quality books. You don't spend years getting them up to the level where they can read higher level language on their own before exposing them to it - they get it continuously from the start, and gradually transition to reading it on their own.

Likewise, I think narration and copywork are excellent tools for developing expression in children who struggle with getting their words out, writing, or both. They can work on whatever level they need, and they don't have to concentrate on simultaneously figuring out what to say and going through the mechanical act of writing.

Remember, you can always adapt the curriculum to fit your needs. If your child has a lot of trouble with narration, you can set your goals lower in that aspect, while still reading books that challenge and improve his comprehension. And the formidable list of attainments is just that - a *formidable* list, not a minimum list. You're not failing CM if your child can't do everything on the list by 6. And keep in mind that he will probably be able to do other things requiring an equivalent skill level that aren't mentioned in the list.

Also, you're right that he is still very young. There's a huge amount of development that occurs within very short periods of time at this age. Remember that, if he has the comprehension, he'll be able to do the expression when his skill level improves in that area, which it almost certainly will in some way or another eventually. In the long run, the timing is much less important than the end result.

Have you seen this page? http://www.amblesideonline.org/SpecialNeeds.shtml

thanks

i have been reading a lot on AO the last few days -- thansk for that link, i had not found that.

i think aprt of this is me learing terms / thinking in them better -- eg Theo "tells stories" and will tell me back the Three Bears or whatever, or what happned at his BD party -- ok it is shaky -- very much so and even i don't get it all, and i feed him a lot .. but he is getting the stories he hears, he is learning nusery rhymes. and i DO think that when his specch catchs up we will be flaber-gasted at that is stored in his head.

thanks for the encouragement.

i love this thread, i am finding so many links to explore .. and see ine how people really fit it all together.

Aimee

[Momma Aimee]

me again

I am working on complieing book lists to work from .. i want to expand our reading selections ...

I found one on AO. (the Kindergarden / pre-school list)

I was wondering what other good soild book lists are there out there what people "work from".

(other on-line Curr with book lists?)

Thanks




and again, thanks for all the support, encouragement, adn taking the time to answer my dumb questions.

[theretohere]

Originally Posted by Momma Aimee

me again

I am working on complieing book lists to work from .. i want to expand our reading selections ...

I found one on AO. (the Kindergarden / pre-school list)

I was wondering what other good soild book lists are there out there what people "work from".

(other on-line Curr with book lists?)

Thanks




and again, thanks for all the support, encouragement, adn taking the time to answer my dumb questions.

http://www.tanglewoodeducation.com/
It's no longer being added to, but what is there is great. They have a free phonics program, too, if you cruise through.

[pageta]

Originally Posted by Momma Aimee

I am working on complieing book lists to work from .. i want to expand our reading selections ...

I found one on AO. (the Kindergarten / pre-school list)

I was wondering what other good solid book lists are there out there what people "work from".

(other on-line Curr with book lists?)

Simply Charlotte Mason has some great lists, too. They even have some especially for the younger set (ages 3, 4 & 5).

Not online...but the book Honey for a Child's Heart has also help us find some really good books.

[jessicaSAR]

There are some Ambleside year 0 and .5 lists on Amazon that have excellent books. I also really love the Five in a Row books. You can see the book lists at the Five in a Row website.

[Momma Aimee]

Originally Posted by pageta

Simply Charlotte Mason has some great lists, too. They even have some especially for the younger set (ages 3, 4 & 5).

Not online...but the book Honey for a Child's Heart has also help us find some really good books.

thanks everyone.

I have Honey -- and some of the books that will be under the tress this year are from her lists.

[Ravin]

Here's what we're doing (DD is in 1st):

Latin: Song School Latin
Math: Miquon, with some supplementing of other worksheets and games
Phonics: Word Mastery supplemented with BOB books, HOP readers, and games
History Spine: How Children Lived
Geography Spine: Children Like Me
English Studies: Grimm's Fairy Tales
Classical Studies: Usborne's First Book of Greek Myths
Heathen Studies: The Kinder Edda, Gods of the North
Science: Tree of Life project, adding animals in evolutionary relationships; when this project is done we'll start a unit study on our local ecology (Southwestern desert)
Memory work (mostly poetry)

[theretohere]

Originally Posted by Ravin

Here's what we're doing (DD is in 1st):

Latin: Song School Latin
Math: Miquon, with some supplementing of other worksheets and games
Phonics: Word Mastery supplemented with BOB books, HOP readers, and games
History Spine: How Children Lived
Geography Spine: Children Like Me
English Studies: Grimm's Fairy Tales
Classical Studies: Usborne's First Book of Greek Myths
Heathen Studies: The Kinder Edda, Gods of the North
Science: Tree of Life project, adding animals in evolutionary relationships; when this project is done we'll start a unit study on our local ecology (Southwestern desert)
Memory work (mostly poetry)

My DD1 really loves the Grimm's volume we have- although I think some of the stories are pretty morbid! She's enthralled, though.

[Momma Aimee]

thanks again everyone i am working my way though all the links.

AImee

[MyLittleWonders]

Well, I and the boys decided that we needed to tweak our schedule a little bit to allow for recess time. And, I decided that I need to schedule Latin (right now, it's just singing the songs, playing Monkey Match memory, and sometimes doing a page from the SSL workbook) every day so we can be consistent with it, and also to get ds#1 ready to being more formal instruction with Latin for Children in the spring/after the new year. So, our first "period" is now Latin, math, and spelling. Then they get a break. Then they come back for handwriting and copywork/grammar (ds#1 has built in grammar with Classical Writing Primer), and then break for lunch/recess. After lunch we do reading and either history, science, or art (or a combo). I really wanted to be able to finish before lunch, but we don't get up early enough to do that. So, I try and modify our bedtimes as much as possible (the goal is the boys in bed by 9pm, but times like last night with grandma/grandpa are over, it's later), and then start as consistently by 9:30am as possible (though right now it's 9:45 and the boys are all in the shower bathing the dog, who just got shaved and has really no hair to wash!).

[AngelBee]

Originally Posted by jessicaSAR

There are some Ambleside year 0 and .5 lists on Amazon that have excellent books. I also really love the Five in a Row books. You can see the book lists at the Five in a Row website.

Dumb question: How do you find these lists? :

[laehmichal]

Wow, I'm so excited to find this thread! We are just starting with CE; I'm currently reading the well-trained mind, and perusing curricula. Anyone use veritas press? That's the one I am liking the best, but my ds has already passed the level for the phonics museum (he's 4). I looked at noeoscience too, right now I am just finding ways to incorporate language and math skills into our day. Still making the jump from zero to homeschool. I'd love advice on favorite books! I will be perusing the links here as well...

[jessicaSAR]

Originally Posted by AngelBee

Dumb question: How do you find these lists? :

Here

http://www.fiveinarow.com/FIAR/FIARBL.html

[AngelBee]

Originally Posted by jessicaSAR

Here

http://www.fiveinarow.com/FIAR/FIARBL.html

Thank you. How about the amazon ones? I am so bad at searching.

[Awaken]

Hi, just subbing. We started doing SotW this semester (1st grade) and are loving it! I just got First Language Lessons in the mail and it looks terrific, just trying to decide whether to ditch what we've been doing (ETC and A Beka), or start with FLL in January! I'm also using a lot of the CM recommended book lists for read alouds in the afternoons.

I am late on the homeschooling bandwagon so am just learning about a lot of these resources. Little by little I'm coming to love the classical method! It makes so much sense to me, and it's fun for ME to do with my son.

[jessicaSAR]

Originally Posted by AngelBee

Thank you. How about the amazon ones? I am so bad at searching.

Here are some of my favorites

http://www.amazon.com/Ambleside-Onli...es_rpli_alt_20

http://www.amazon.com/Ambleside-Onli...res_rpli_alt_2

http://www.amazon.com/Ambleside-Onli...es_rpli_alt_13

http://www.amazon.com/A-Charlotte-Ma...es_rpli_alt_15

http://www.amazon.com/A-Charlotte-Ma...es_rpli_alt_14

[AngelBee]

Originally Posted by jessicaSAR

Here are some of my favorites

http://www.amazon.com/Ambleside-Onli...es_rpli_alt_20

http://www.amazon.com/Ambleside-Onli...res_rpli_alt_2

http://www.amazon.com/Ambleside-Onli...es_rpli_alt_13

http://www.amazon.com/A-Charlotte-Ma...es_rpli_alt_15

http://www.amazon.com/A-Charlotte-Ma...es_rpli_alt_14

YOU ROCK! Thanks