Anyone change their mind about swine flu vax now that your LO is here? - Page 2

[Friendlee]

Mercola also recommends lots of hand washing, tulsi tea and gently cleaning out the mucous membranes that are the way for the flu to get in to your body (warm salt water flush nasally by neti pot and by gargling). I do these things and I think they help.

I am fundamentally against most vaccines and skeptical of the profits to be made by pharmaceutical companies. However, I am not against people who do get the flu vaccine. Most everyone I know will be getting it actually and I don't expect them all to become paralyzed or for them all to get the flu. But, I wonder, Padme, if your situation warrants the vaccine considering your specifically, unique situation and considering the amount of stress it is causing? I know none of us can get the sleep that we want and that is recommended but experiencing an extra load of stress will only add to your risk of getting sick. I agree with firewoman as far as being sick not being the end of the world...however, if, in your situation it would really throw everything caddywhompus in a way that makes it very tough for the family to get back to normal, maybe the vaccine is the right choice for you?

[Pandme]

Originally Posted by Friendlee

Mercola also recommends lots of hand washing, tulsi tea and gently cleaning out the mucous membranes that are the way for the flu to get in to your body (warm salt water flush nasally by neti pot and by gargling). I do these things and I think they help.

I am fundamentally against most vaccines and skeptical of the profits to be made by pharmaceutical companies. However, I am not against people who do get the flu vaccine. Most everyone I know will be getting it actually and I don't expect them all to become paralyzed or for them all to get the flu. But, I wonder, Padme, if your situation warrants the vaccine considering your specifically, unique situation and considering the amount of stress it is causing? I know none of us can get the sleep that we want and that is recommended but experiencing an extra load of stress will only add to your risk of getting sick. I agree with firewoman as far as being sick not being the end of the world...however, if, in your situation it would really throw everything caddywhompus in a way that makes it very tough for the family to get back to normal, maybe the vaccine is the right choice for you?

That was my thought. I am trying to do what's right for our situation and it is causing so much stress. Like I said, we've done no vaxxes with my son. I never get a flu vax. But this thing is everywhere....it's not like polio where the chance of getting it is almost zero. Or chickenpox....which I have had so I can pass protection to my daughter.

I really really hate cold and flu season.

[Pandme]

Originally Posted by Kmama2

ARe you sure they tested you for vitamin D3 or cholecalciferol and not D 2?
I last had mine tested when pregnant and I was 17. I never wear sun screen, am in the sun alot, tan easily, and I take 8-10,000 iu of Vit d a few times a week. I have never heard of anyone even above 50.. its soo hard to get enough Vit D unless you live in Jaimaca or something and are in the sun all day every day.

I don't know....I'll ask when these next results come back. What's the difference between the tests? I just said I want my D tested and that was that.

[Kmama2]

Originally Posted by Pandme

I don't know....I'll ask when these next results come back. What's the difference between the tests? I just said I want my D tested and that was that.

D 3 is the one from the sun... Just to make sure you really were that high I would make sure they tested you for d 3.. ( the lab test is hydroxy d or something along those lines) because if it was d 2 than your aren't in the toxic levels of d3 if you were tested for d2... make sense??that way you know for sure. If that really and truly is your Vit d level I want to know your secrets!!!

[Pandme]

Originally Posted by Kmama2

D 3 is the one from the sun... Just to make sure you really were that high I would make sure they tested you for d 3.. ( the lab test is hydroxy d or something along those lines) because if it was d 2 than your aren't in the toxic levels of d3 if you were tested for d2... make sense??that way you know for sure. If that really and truly is your Vit d level I want to know your secrets!!!

LOL, I was eating a CRAPLOAD of dairy and cottage cheese, luna bars, stuff like that. I was doing a GD type diet (though I did not have GD). I also spent a lot of time in the sun before I got tested....I am VERY pale though and burn easily. Maybe I don't need as much sun?

I didn't know about the difference in tests. Thank you....I will clarify when I get these next results back.

[fyrebloom]

I have asthma and tend to get infections easily. My DS is immune deficient and asthmatic. We're still not getting the vax. If we get the flu, we get it and have natural immunity. I don't need to risk complications with the vaxes. Our bodies are comprimized as it is. This is a brand new vax, we don't know how bad it's going to be for people en masse. So far the risks of swine flu have been for the immune compromised just like the regular flu. The prob with this one is that people born after 1950 haven't been exposed but then again our kids are all new and haven't been exposed to any flus so really they are at risk for any flu. If you would decline the regular flu shot then it makes sense to decline the h1n1 shot too. The really nice thing about this flu is everyone is terrified of it, so more people are washing hands and wearing masks. Hopefully that will keep it at bay, probably more so then the vax will.

[Pandme]

Over in H&H, it seems my astronomical level likely means some autoimmune disorder like sarcoidosis. So in addition to my fussy child, who is already depriving me of sleep and sanity, I get to worry about a rare disease as well.

I thought I had avoided PPD, but it's here. I cried all last night except for the hour of sleep I got when she wasn't squirming or fussing. I begged my husband to stay home with me but he can't. I just feel like crawling into a hole and never coming out.

[Kmama2]

Originally Posted by Pandme

Over in H&H, it seems my astronomical level likely means some autoimmune disorder like sarcoidosis. So in addition to my fussy child, who is already depriving me of sleep and sanity, I get to worry about a rare disease as well.

I thought I had avoided PPD, but it's here. I cried all last night except for the hour of sleep I got when she wasn't squirming or fussing. I begged my husband to stay home with me but he can't. I just feel like crawling into a hole and never coming out.

awww hugs!! Ds was up every 1 hour last night

[lil_stinkyfeet]

Originally Posted by Pandme

Over in H&H, it seems my astronomical level likely means some autoimmune disorder like sarcoidosis. So in addition to my fussy child, who is already depriving me of sleep and sanity, I get to worry about a rare disease as well.

I thought I had avoided PPD, but it's here. I cried all last night except for the hour of sleep I got when she wasn't squirming or fussing. I begged my husband to stay home with me but he can't. I just feel like crawling into a hole and never coming out.

I thought I was heading towards better days but the past 2 days have been awful. The lo has been crying non stop.. I have resorted to just putting him down and letting him cry periodically to regain some sanity and control before picking him up again.. Not fun.. Someone gave me a new wrap to try last night though so I am hoping that I can get him to go in there and hopefully like it. Maybe then I can get something done around here! I am spending way to much time on the computer because at least I can do something while I am holding him then.

[abigail_b]

Padme I totally understand how you feel. I basically posted the same question in the vax forum recently and the responses were very strong against the vax, and then my thread was locked because I guess we're not supposed to post new H1N1 threads since there are so many.
My 3 year old is attending a waldorf preschool (mostly unvaxed student population) and if H1N1 gets there I know he'll get it. Like you said...we wash hands and use sanitizer all the time, but it is impossible to stop the spread in your house if your toddler is sick, or to stop the spread amongst toddlers in a preschool setting. He recently got a cold (which has turned into a sinus infection despite all our immune boosting efforts), and also despite my containment efforts we ALL came down with it- including the baby (definitely just a mild cold though, thankfully). If a 3 year old is sneezing, coughing and has very runny nose then it is so difficult to keep it contained.
Anyway, my ped offered H1N1 vax for my son due to having a newborn at home. I have done so much research and at this point am strongly leaning towards NOT getting it. But I would be lying if I said I wasn't worried. Like you, if it wasn't for the newborn I wouldn't think twice about not getting it.

Also, my ped said that although they don't treat most kids/adults that get it, if my newborn were to contract it and we caught it early then they would be recommending tamiflu. I don't know anything about tamiflu so now I have to research that...assuming that is evil too?

[Charlize]

We're getting vaccinated since H1N1 is considered wide spread in our area. We have also asked all of the grandparents and great grandparents to be vaccinated if they plan to come to our house. Personally, I'd rather do everything I could possibly do to proect us from getting sick versus not getting the vaccine. At least then I could say I/we did everything possible to protect the baby and her health.

[Pandme]

I can't even find the damn vax where we live anyway. My son is on a wait list and it seems the only place to go is to one of those public clinics and stand for hours. Um, no.

[Pandme]

Hm, well my vitamin D test came back at 47.6....normal.

Don't know what was up with the first test. Some weird pregnancy thing, eating way too much calcium, lab error, who knows.

[firewoman]

Did you ask if perhaps they did the D2 test last time? That would be a really big drop. Very odd. 47.6 is good but you can still supplement. Optimum levels are between 50-60 so considering you are nursing supplementation would be good.

Is the vax still hard to find? I think it is so odd that they freaked everyone out about h1n1 and now no one can get the vaccine unless they go to a public health clinic. My very good friend is pregnant and got the vax at one of our local clinics. She said the way in which the shot was administered did not inspire confidence. She said it was fast and then they (she went with another pregnant woman) dumped them out some seperate exit door and they were in the back outside in the parking lot. She did not go out the way she came in.

[Pandme]

Originally Posted by firewoman

Did you ask if perhaps they did the D2 test last time? That would be a really big drop. Very odd. 47.6 is good but you can still supplement. Optimum levels are between 50-60 so considering you are nursing supplementation would be good.

Is the vax still hard to find? I think it is so odd that they freaked everyone out about h1n1 and now no one can get the vaccine unless they go to a public health clinic. My very good friend is pregnant and got the vax at one of our local clinics. She said the way in which the shot was administered did not inspire confidence. She said it was fast and then they (she went with another pregnant woman) dumped them out some seperate exit door and they were in the back outside in the parking lot. She did not go out the way she came in.

It IS hard to find. Nobody has it and I'll be damned if I'm going to wait in line at a public place with a bunch of other people and their germs. And with a 6 week old, no less. No thanks!

I asked about the test and it was the 25 hydroxy....the common test. Not the other one. Both times. That other test is rarely done unless specifically requested. I am really thinking lab error or some wacky pregnancy thing. As I stated before, I was eating a ton and I mean a ton of dairy. Some of it was D-fortified. I also made a huge effort to spend a load of time outside in the sun before the test and I am very pale. But that still shouldn't have a huge number. With all the stuff going on my my body a week before delivery (which is when I had the first test), I don't trust that the first result was accurate.

In any event, I am done with bloodwork for the time being. Between stressing about this, and my GD scare, I have had enough. I'm just going to enjoy my screaming baby and stop with googling imaginary medical issues, KWIM?

[firewoman]

Good for you, Pandme! You go and love that little screamer up!

[MCatLvrMom2A&X]

I was thinking they where saying if you had asthma not to get it? I forget where I read it and my be totally wrong though anyone know?

[Pandme]

They wouldn't give you the live virus.

[Island_Mama]

Hi All
Sounds like a lot of you are stressing over the decision, and I can say I am glad I am not there, though I have felt that way with decisions regarding my LO.
The only time both of us got sick with the flu was when we where at a DV shelter and a mom there vax her three kids, and we caught it from them. So far that is still the worst we have ever been. We got sick constantly while there, and we where there for only 3 months. at one point she had a 103 or 104 fever, I can't remember, but I do remember she was almost lethargic and I just jumped in the shower with her, I was so worried I didn't even feel the cold water, which I am sure was freezing. Her fever went down, and she went to sleep and got better. I couldn't sleep of course monitoring her fever, make sure it wasn't going up again at a fast rate.
Another time I took her to the emergency room with the fever it was pointless, they tried to give her a catheter, to see if she had a UTI. She had a runny nose, a fever and a cough. UTI? catheter on a 1yr old? crazy. (experiences like this is why I just don't trust their judgement)

Anyways what I really wanted to share is that vax can compromise you immune system, and if you do plan to vax (which I absolutely don't anymore) ask for the manufacturer and the complete and exact list of ingredients. Seems like squalene is in most of the h1n1 flu vax.
stats can always be used to prove both sides, I would say use common sense, even when reviewing the research out there, which there is plenty that prove the vax don't even work. I won't get into that since the info is all over and its been said over and over
It's such a tough situation to be in with a newborn and all the pressure.
Just use good judgement, and when injecting your little tiny lo who is so fresh and new to the world with these vaxes. I personally found it amazing how hard it was to get simple info from her pediatricians, such as a list of what it has in it, I just can't phanton introducing something intravenously to my lo without even knowing exactly what is in it.
Think about it this way also, if there IS any kind of reaction, you can have a record of exactly what was used, you might have a hell of a time trying to get the information after the fact.