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So mad and upset - at my Pedi

post #1 of 45
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We've temporarily relocated and I had to leave my wonderful AP-oriented pedi behind. Today I went for our 9-month check up to a new pedi. I couldn't get any recs, even though I tried. The pedi I chose has an interest in sleep, so I naively thought she would have a well rounded view on the subject. (We have 1-2 hour wakings all night long).

She told me I have caused my son to have a sleep association disorder. She told me I need to put him in a crib in his own room, sit in a chair, not look at him, not touch him and let him cry himself to sleep. I questioned her about the research showing it is harmful and she said there isn't any and to show her any peer-reviewed research to this end.

I told her I want to teach him how to sleep and she said "well, you've had no success with that have you".

She told me to night wean (DS is 9 months).

I almost started crying! She was so convincing. I had to get straight on here and read all the references to calm myself down.

Oh, this is funny. I proudly told her that DS is now putting himself to sleep. She said, oh great, so you read a book, put him down and walk out? LMAO!! I said, no, I lie down with him and stroke his back and sing a lullaby. She scoffed and told me this is not my son putting himself to sleep, but me putting him to sleep, that I'm the association. How terrible for my son to have back strokes and lullabies as a sleep association...

She told me my son needs to be independent and in his own space.

She told me I am denying my son his "brain" food. I worry about this, I do. But he's already walking, has great fine motor skills, great problem solving skills, he's very sociable and happy.

Why oh why can't the Drs Sears replicate themselves around the country?!

Words of encouragement would be gratefully received!
post #2 of 45
Congratulations Mama on the lullaby and back-stroking! He's only 9 months, I think that's a little early for putting him in his crib and hoping for the best. Remember, you're the expert on your child. I think you're doing great
post #3 of 45
Wow, what a heartless ped.! I would definitely ditch that one and find another. A 9 month old is not independent by any stretch of the imagination and shouldn't be expected to be so.

For the future, you may want to just not share your sleeping arrangements with the ped. It is a parenting issue and not a medical one, and unless you want specific advice (and are prepared to be criticized and advised to CIO, because that's what most peds suggest unfortunately), then just say that your baby is sleeping fine.

Breastmilk is brain food too! You are not denying your son anything by giving him love, affection, and confidence by responding to his needs.
post #4 of 45
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Originally Posted by Bokonon View Post
I would definitely ditch that one and find another.
Oh, she's ditched! I walked out of the appointment! And yes, I will keep it to myself in the future.
post #5 of 45
My ped told us to CIO too at 9 months.
But, she said that we could or not, it was our choice and she wasn't going to push us either way.

The 'research' on babies not getting 'enough' sleep is compelling, i agree. And I don't have any argument against that. I just think I am doing what is most natural.. and following my instincts. How could that be wrong? Why would God give me those instincts if I am supposed to ignore them?

That said, my DS has also always been ahead on milestones, walked at 9 months, talks more than any other of his friends his age (has 15+ words/sounds) and is friendly, personable, and a very happy little boy for the most part. He is obviously not missing out on any 'brain food.' And letting him cry himself to sleep for hours can only do damage to our relationship and his spirit. I can't do it.
post #6 of 45
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Thanks ladies! Keep the responses coming! I'm feeling better already.
post #7 of 45
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Originally Posted by Louisep View Post
She told me I have caused my son to have a sleep association disorder. She told me I need to put him in a crib in his own room, sit in a chair, not look at him, not touch him and let him cry himself to sleep.


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Originally Posted by Louisep View Post
She told me to night wean (DS is 9 months).
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She told me my son needs to be independent and in his own space.
...independent, like he's an adult??!! ...cause we all know that a 9 month old can take care of all his own needs by himself, day and night...

I'd say that you ARE helping him learn how to sleep, it's just a long process that's going to take awhile. He WILL eventually sleep for longer periods, then all night. He really will. (My DS was doing the very same thing at age 9 months, and now he sleeps through the night.) You are already doing good parenting to help him get to sleep. Just keep working on it. Like everything a child learns, it usually comes in small increments that build on each other. And sometimes there are temporary setbacks in sleeping when the child is making great strides in development. And it sounds like your DS is making leaps and bounds developmentally, so you can expect his brain to be in overdrive right now.

And if you really think he's waking just to take a sip, but not really needing to nurse every time, you could offer him a sip of water first. He will let you know if that will be fine or if he really needs to nurse. My DS was older than 9 months when I started doing that, but I noticed there were only two times during the night that he really wanted to nurse. The other times he was on & off so quick, so I started offering him the water first. Sometimes that would satisfy him, sometimes not, but he started sleeping longer intervals because of that.
post #8 of 45
I just switched pediatricians. IMO they are being emplyed by me, and if I dont like them, i leave.

So many people lie to their peds about nighttime parenting (co-sleeping, feeding on demand) that peds have a very skewed idea about what is going on in the world. I spoke with an older lady who told me that she lied to her ped 20 years ago about giving her toddler bottles at night so he wouldn't get mad.
post #9 of 45
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The 'research' on babies not getting 'enough' sleep is compelling, i agree.
What research would that be? Mindell's literature review on the subject only addresses ill effects in adults and children over 4 years old. Since Mindell is one of the leading proponents of CIO, I would think she would have mentioned it if there was any research showing that frequent waking is harmful to infants.
post #10 of 45
Pediatricians are there for the health of our children's bodies, and beyond that I don't really care what they think. KWIM? That doctor has no right to tell you how to parent your child. What does that have to do with the practice of medicine? And how can she be an expert on your child? The reality is: no doctor is an expert on YOUR child and they should not be offering parenting advice. Just my opinion, of course!
post #11 of 45
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Originally Posted by KimPM View Post

And if you really think he's waking just to take a sip, but not really needing to nurse every time, you could offer him a sip of water first. He will let you know if that will be fine or if he really needs to nurse. My DS was older than 9 months when I started doing that, but I noticed there were only two times during the night that he really wanted to nurse. The other times he was on & off so quick, so I started offering him the water first. Sometimes that would satisfy him, sometimes not, but he started sleeping longer intervals because of that.
Doesn't it take longer to offer water?
post #12 of 45
What a horrible pedi! My sons pedi told me to night wean at 6 months!!! Where do they learn this stuff?
It makes me sad to think of all the people that listen to her against their instincts.
post #13 of 45
well... peds are doctors not parenting advisors. they never had to take any early childhood classes unless they chose it as an elective.

so parenting and peds are a big nono.

and your experience is the norm.
post #14 of 45
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Originally Posted by sapphire_chan View Post
What research would that be? Mindell's literature review on the subject only addresses ill effects in adults and children over 4 years old. Since Mindell is one of the leading proponents of CIO, I would think she would have mentioned it if there was any research showing that frequent waking is harmful to infants.
Well, I did read "Healthy Sleep..." which I think is a horrible book, and don't agree with his suggestions, but the research he has indicates that if a child isn't getting a full night of sleep they are at risk for ADHD, etc and that their brain needs these full sleep cycles, etc etc. I don't remember all of the correct wording.. I didn't finish the book though because it was huge CIO book.... I guess from the medical community that is what I've always heard was that if babies aren't getting 'propper' sleep that it is depriving their brains of what it needs to grow.

Obviously I haven't taken too much of it to heart as I have a 14 month old who wakes hourly all night every night and is still cosleeping and we haven't done cio.
post #15 of 45
Well, she's right - he DOES need to be more independant and have alone time. How is he going to cope at college without you. You ARE sending him to college when he hits 12months right? I mean, learning to speak, interact, express and manipulate his world are important, but don't you think his mind would be better served staring at the bars of a crib and thinking "high thoughts" while he screams?

And brain food?! What, tuna fish?

I'm glad you're ditching her. I would run a mile - if someone who knows so little can be so convincing how much is their medical degree actually worth?!
post #16 of 45
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Originally Posted by GoBecGo View Post
Well, she's right - he DOES need to be more independant and have alone time. How is he going to cope at college without you. You ARE sending him to college when he hits 12months right? I mean, learning to speak, interact, express and manipulate his world are important, but don't you think his mind would be better served staring at the bars of a crib and thinking "high thoughts" while he screams?

And brain food?! What, tuna fish?

I'm glad you're ditching her. I would run a mile - if someone who knows so little can be so convincing how much is their medical degree actually worth?!
I just had to giggle at the college at 12 months thing

My ped told me that around 4 or 5 months my DD would start manipulating me into getting up for her and that I am going to need to be firm with her so she doesn't learn to manipulate me. Sooo I have never told him that we co-sleep and I nurse her 1/2 the night and we absolutely love it! I just nod my head and go along and when he asks I tell him she is sleeping through the night and she is just so amazing

DD has manipulated me from day 1. I mean I come when she calls and I even feed her when SHE demands it and change her icky pooey diapers. I am so manipulated, sigh.
post #17 of 45
Can you think of a mammal that leaves their young to "CIO"? All the mammals I have studied sleep with their young. And cuddle them. And breastfeed them at night. Some even sing to their young, like ocean mammals and a particular type of hyena. Last time I checked, humans are mammals too. So why does society insist we do things so differently?
post #18 of 45
He still needs help getting to sleep? I suppose he's still sponging off you too. You need to cut that slacker loose and make him get a job!!!

Ok. Just kidding.

Really though, you're doing great, and one to two night wakings at that age is good.
post #19 of 45
Can i just comment that my ped doesnt ask me about sleep. WAIT, thats a lie, she asked me once about my toddler at his one year. She said, is he sleeping 12 hours a night? And I hesitated and started doing the math in my head, but she really didnt seem to care what my answer was. It was like she was just going down her "checklist" of developmnental stuff, but just going through the motions. So there are "mainstream" peds out there that could care less about sleep. The trick is finding one.
post #20 of 45
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I am loving these responses! Wish I could have had you all in the room with me!

I have learnt my lesson. I'm not going to talk to people who don't get it about DS's sleep anymore.
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