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vitamin d for your new LO?

post #1 of 20
Thread Starter 
I feel like there was a thread here about this but I can't find it...

Is anyone supplementing their new baby with Vit D? I've been reading about Vitamin D & the flu and am wondering if I should just supplement myself or if Ezra should get some too? Ezra is 5 weeks old & 13lbs 6 oz if that makes a difference. My instinct is to not give him anything by mouth but breastmilk...

Thanks in advance!

Oh, and if you are supplementing with Vit D, how much are you taking and have you been tested for deficiency? I'm going to ask my midwife about testing at my 6 week pp visit.
post #2 of 20
Have you talked to your ped. about it?

the AAP and LLL do not recommend anything for full term breastfed babies for the first 6 months of life.
post #3 of 20
I just talked to my doctor about this today.. she recommended supplementing with 400iu for my 6 week old. I have been supplementing with 1-2,000 iu for myself but I had her draw my levels today because I wanted to know where I was at. I won't get the results for a week though.

I talked to a lady who owns a health food store in town and she said she carries the drops so I am planning on picking those up for my lo.
post #4 of 20
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Originally Posted by Pinkbruise View Post
Have you talked to your ped. about it?

the AAP and LLL do not recommend anything for full term breastfed babies for the first 6 months of life.
That is actually not true anymore and I think it is very important to know the current info. The AAP recommends vit D from birth and LLL agrees. My family gets adequate sunlight exposure here in FL but if you live north of Atlanta, you can't get it in the winter.
http://www.llli.org/llleaderweb/LV/LVIss1-2009p2.html
http://www.aap.org/family/vitdpatients.htm

Our previous ped recommended this: http://www.sunlightvitamins.com/joomla/

I would supplement everyone if we did not spend lots of time outside w/out sunscreen year round or if we lived in the north. Hubby takes a supplement b/c he is indoors most of the time.
post #5 of 20
From my Ped.: In Africa, babies get a lot of sun exposure and they also supplement in Vit D.
post #6 of 20
our ped gave us drops at our first visit when Cora was 2 days old. She was a bit jaundice as well. he also said that once a day i should try to nurse in front of a window where there was full sun, cause that was great for her. we get out a lot and i try to get her as much sunshine as i can.
post #7 of 20
note to self: research more
post #8 of 20
Ugh, hard topic!!

Here's what I think...we are biologically designed to make it through a winter without supplementation. SO, if we are still deficient (after you correct for environmental/cultural factors like being indoors too much, wearing sunscreen, polution which may limit your natural Vit D absorption, dark skin, etc) then something is biologically WRONG. What I mean is, we have to work harder to get enough natural Vit D because of our lifestyles, but it should still be possible. And our bodies are designed to store it over the winter, even eskimos in northern alaska are not walking around with rickets.

BUT...you can't deny what the research is saying about Vit D and its effects on overall health. So then my stance was "I shouldn't need it, but will it hurt anything?" And my answer is...I don't know.

I doubt that it will hurt, but I have concerns about taking it orally when we are designed to absorb it through our skin. I don't like taking anything artificial (including vitamins) but when I do I at least want it to enter my body the way it was intended to. Does that make sense?? I mean, how does our body metabolize Vit D when taken orally vs when absorbed through the skin?? And Vit D isn't actually a vitamin, it's a hormone, so how is it manufactured into pill (or liquid) form???

These are the questions that are bothering me.

I have decided that I'm comfortable enough (not fully comfortable, but enough) with supplementing myself and my two older boys. But I will not supplement Gavin as long as he still has a Virgin Gut. There are so many benefits to the virgin gut, I won't compromise it for Vit D. Now, if I ever have to give him something else (tylenol, antibiotic, nystatin, iron) then I'll probably start supplementing with Vit D then.

Until then, I was very cognizant of this when pregnant and got lots of Vit D exposure myself so he and I would have adequate stores. I also have been ensuring to get him into direct sunlight as often as possible, even if it's just his face because it's too cold. I know that it's not much, but every little bit helps. Oh, and whoever mentioned the window (doser?) beware that many are tinted or otherwise treated and block the sun rays that we need for Vit D. It will still help with Jaundice, but not Vit D.

This is what I believe today...but Vit D is such a confusing topic (so much contradictory information out there, and it just goes against biology in my opinion) so I'm continually researching and I may change my mind at some point.

Also...Dr Mercola sells Vit D sprays and Vit D lamps on his webpage. The lamps are very expensive though!! But guess what I recently discovered...my local grocery store has one! I've noticed it before, it looks like flourescent bulbs hanging on the wall over a bench. I remember thinking it was odd, why are there lights on the wall in a well-lit room?? Then I realized it's a SADD light. A lot of mental health/counseling buildings have them, too, I remember the counseling dept at my college had one that anyone could some sit under. I used to take my homework and go sit under the light for a while a few times a week (I went to school in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan where we got virtually NO Vit D for up to 7 months out of the year). A friend of mine locally bought a lamp from Mercola's webpage and she "barters" it out, if you come to her house to babysit her kids you can sit under the lamp for as long as you want It's a good deal for her! LOL! I haven't researched the spray yet, but I want to, because that removes my concern about how it is absorbed.
post #9 of 20
Our docs say that as long as I am taking 10,000 iu of Vitamin D a day, the baby will get enough through my milk.
post #10 of 20
I just had my D levels retested after getting a REALLY high number my first test. Like, toxic high. Does that mean my child should get enough through my breastmilk? I hadn't planned on supplementing but I did order that Just D stuff. I just didn't want to use those awful Tri-vi-sol drops like my ped recommends,
post #11 of 20
Our ped said to get the Tri vi sol. Havent yet but I guess I need to research to find out what is wrong with them.
post #12 of 20
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Originally Posted by MabMama View Post
Our ped said to get the Tri vi sol. Havent yet but I guess I need to research to find out what is wrong with them.
If I did choose to supplement, I would get ONLY Vit D. Tri vi Sol has extra vitamins your breastfed baby just doesn't need. Is it harmful? Probably not. But it just annoys me that formula companies get our money one way or another (Enfamil makes Tri and Poly vi Sol).
post #13 of 20
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Originally Posted by 2boyzmama View Post
If I did choose to supplement, I would get ONLY Vit D. Tri vi Sol has extra vitamins your breastfed baby just doesn't need. Is it harmful? Probably not. But it just annoys me that formula companies get our money one way or another (Enfamil makes Tri and Poly vi Sol).
ditto my doctor agreed and said basically there is a lot of unnecessary stuff in there. She said I could do cod liver oil but I think I will just get the d drops
post #14 of 20
my doctor told me to give tri-va-sol....not just d-vi-sol

ive been doing it since birth, i live in canada too, so were inside half the year (lol) i assumed it was good for him since it was vitamins

i feel bad giving it, it smells and tastes horrible, i feel like he should only taste breastmilk
post #15 of 20
I live in Connecticut now but previously lived in GA. When in GA I was tested and my vitamin D was REALLY low, so low they tested it several times. I supplement with 2,000 iu per day (if I remember), I try to go for a 30 minute walk several times a week. I haven't considered giving Sophia anything and I don't think I will. I hope she gets it from me, might be worth asking my ped about though...thanks for bringing this topic up?
post #16 of 20
As long as your outside 30 minutes a day during the summer, and eating extra oily fish in the winter, surely this would be plenty of Vitamin D for your body.

How much does your body really absorb in a mega dose anyway?
post #17 of 20
maybe i'm misinformed, it's been known to happen, especially lately...but i thought the issue was that vitamin d is NOT passed on through breast milk so anything the mother does isn't going to do anything?
post #18 of 20
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Originally Posted by tzs View Post
maybe i'm misinformed, it's been known to happen, especially lately...but i thought the issue was that vitamin d is NOT passed on through breast milk so anything the mother does isn't going to do anything?
It looks like if the mother takes really high doses, it can pass, look at the link MichelleAnnette posted, there's a table towards the bottom with some preliminary research on it.
post #19 of 20
Not in your DDC but I did just research this for an LC. Moms who are getting therapeutic doses of Vit D supplementation- 2,000IU-5,000IU pass enough Vit D through their breast milk to their baby that the baby does not need supplementation. This is usually a short time period- roughly 2-4 months.
There is still debate on if the baby will get enough Vitamin D through breast milk if your stores were low before beginning breast feeding and mom not taking a supplement high enough to get the stores back up. This is when supplementing the baby seems to come in to play. Vitamin D does pass through breast milk, the problem is that so many women have such low levels to start with that the amount that does pass through is almost inconsequential.
What is important is that mom has the appropriate Vitamin D level and that if she does not, mom needs to be supplemented with a corresponding dose that will bring her levels up, and/or baby might need to be supplemented as well.
I agree with lots of pp's about getting some sunlight every day, studies just seem to show that for many reasons, we are not getting enough. The debate still goes on about whether a mom with a normal level needs to supplement her baby before 6 mo with Vitamin D.
post #20 of 20
Thread Starter 
Thank you all for your replies. Sorry it has taken me so long to come back to this...I haven't had a free finger with which to type for a few days (now I have two whole hands to myself!).

Right now I'm supplementing myself (10,000 IU) and am going to talk to my midwife about it at my 6 week pp visit (which will actually be at almost seven weeks) and see about getting tested (although she uses Quest Diagnostics as her lab and I've read their test is iffy??).

We are giving our two year old 1000 IU a day now, but won't be supplementing Ezra. I feel the same way as 2boyzmama about the virgin gut and would rather up my intake than give any directly to my little babe. We live in Central CA, so pretty sunny and I don't usually wear much sunscreen. Over the summer we got quite a bit of sun (including several hours a week with me in just a bikini--lots of surface area for D absorption! ) so I'm hoping that gave me sufficient stores to start out breastfeeding with. Although maybe the fact that I was nursing Junah until early summer would effect them?

2boyzmama, thank you for such a detailed, thoughtful reply. I too tend to be skeptical about the necessity of supplements because of our biological design. In addition, having read Michael Pollan's work and his idea of "nutritionism" the whole focus on "must have this vitamin or that mineral or that antioxidant" makes less and less sense to me. However, with the vitamin D thing the environmental factors kind of change my approach. We've screwed with our environment so much that the argument that our atmosphere and poor air quality can impact vit D absorption makes me feel that supplementation maybe necessary.

Thank you all again!
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