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What is your toddler bedtime routine? And will this help us? at. Wits. End.

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My DD2 will be 2 next week. DD1 was a stellar cosleeper. DD2 is sooo not. She slept with us until about 6 months. She just doesnt sleep well in our bed. Neither do we. We have side carred. Bed in our room apart from bed. bed on floor. Finally we moved her to a matress on the floor of her room and I tried sleeping with her. No dice. She sleeps so poorly with someone next to her. The problem is that she thinks she wants someone next to her. But once someone is there, she doesnt sleep.

We tried nightweaning. She has not nursed at night for 4 months and still hollers to nurse when she wakes up EVERY 2 HOURS all night everynight. She doesnt wake upset, just gets up, goes to gate at door, chirps across the hall...Mama! Dada! in a singsong little voice.

I am 11 weeks pregnant. It is killing me. She HAS so start sleeping. I know she is in the habit of waking and just not going back to sleep herself. We have retried cosleeping again recently and it was horrible.

I see two issues. 1) She still wants to nurse at night, which is very tough on me because that tends to involve cosleeping and that does not work with this one. and 2) We have made no effort for a good bedtime routine that encourages her indendence.

I had the flu last month and I am still sick, cant shake it, because I am getting no sleep. My nipples hurt so horribly that nursing is just nearly mroe than I can take. I am nearing total dysfunction. I keep telling myself it is a stage, but this is now 2 years of poor sleep which makes it her whole life, not a stage. I am getting to the point that I resent the nursing because I feel like i is contributing to the poor sleep.

I am thinking I going to start some gentle weaning and am hoping that a solid bedtime routine will help. Can you please offer some thoughts on whether this will help, as well as what your toddler routine at bedtime is?

I am thinking we start with bath, rocking and stories in the rocking chair in her room (maybe last nursing in the chair for now), in bed, sit (not lay) in the bed with her and sing songs, rub back etc. My hope being to eventually be able to sit next to bed, maybe read while she gets better at dozing off without having to be on me. THen eventually doing the...mommy is going to go brush her teeth, brb....then back in 2 minutes...etc...until she gets a little better at not being so very dependant on me all the time.

I just am so at wits end. My first DD coslept till age 5 wonderfully and nursed until she weaned at age 4. This time it is SO different. I am ready to draw some lines in the sand but want to do it in a gentle as possible way.

Thoughts?
post #2 of 7
Hugs...mama! I understand the nursing and prego's and tender nipples. My 3 yo was a wonderful co-sleeper...and ds #4...is not at all! He wakes up everynight...wide open awake...and takes sometimes hours to go back to sleep...last night was our 3rd night in a row of this....I was about to lose it...your not alone! I dont know the answer....I read over The No Cry Sleep...website...but i just dont see how any of that will help us.
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I tried NCSS for a long time, but I made slow progress which got easily wiped out by bouts of teething. The last time I tried the "Pantly pull out", he had a little tantrum! Lately I've been starting to have some success getting him to fall asleep faster and to sleep longer stretches, though. My success has not come from trying to change his behavior. It has come from addressing some of the things he has going on inside of him. Eliminating dairy and putting him on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet helped make him nap better, but for some reason his night sleep did not improve.

Here is what has helped his night sleep just recently. I have been supplementing him with magnesium, and I have also been giving him epsom salt baths and putting epsom salt lotion on his feet and legs. I put 1/8 cup of epsom salts in his little toddler inflatable tub. I'd use more if he used a big tub, but I'd start low and slow and gradually increase it. After his bath, I give him a baby massage using some California Baby massage oil that is Roman Chamomile scented. Then I put the epsom salt lotion on his feet and legs. Then I nurse him to sleep in his own bed and sneak away. Once in a while he gets fidgety and fussy and won't fall asleep. I learned that when that happens, if I squeeze his legs and feet, he calms down and becomes ready to sleep. He has a craving for deep pressure. I think it also helps him when he has uncomfortable energies and sensations in his legs. Maybe it's something like restless leg syndrome. I'm not sure. I also suspect his has issues with high phenol foods, so I've started him on an enzyme called No Fenol, and I'm going to see if that helps even more.

If I were in your situation, though, I would try melatonin, seriously.
post #4 of 7
Is your DH helping at all? Sometimes when we've hit our limit and night weaning is going on having Daddy in baby's bed for a bit can be really good. Can your DH take over the go to bed/getup/comfort routine for a few weeks at least so your DC won't associate waking up with you/milk?
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Originally Posted by Maluhia View Post
Is your DH helping at all? Sometimes when we've hit our limit and night weaning is going on having Daddy in baby's bed for a bit can be really good. Can your DH take over the go to bed/getup/comfort routine for a few weeks at least so your DC won't associate waking up with you/milk?
My DH is amazing and has/is willing to do any part. A few times he has taken over bed time (when we nightweaned for example) and other times I needed sleep, just slept in with her all night.

My hang up is that she still wants me during the night (or did last time we tried it) and screams which wakes me up in the bedroom over and over and I get no more sleep. Then DH and I both end up tired the next day. So we kind of scrapped that a few months ago.

That being said, he did ask to be intergated back into this new bedtime routine. So he is doing bath and stories, I am doing song singing, then we both are cuddling her down (while we work on cutting the nurse to sleep). Maybe as she get more used to him back in the bedtime routine, AND not as nursing to sleep dependent on me, she will be more tolerant of him DURING the night? Great reminder for us to revisit that now. THank you!
post #6 of 7
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Update:
So 3 nights ago I decided to gently start weaning, and felt very sure and good about the choice. We also decided that if she really seemed she wasnt ready after a few days, we would punt it and assume she still needed that. So I went with the (not well thought out) distract, offer a sippy with water, occasionly telling her (when true, due to pregnancy) that nursies were really sore. Well we just work up on day 3 and she has not gotten upset enough in 3 days to nurse. 2 very mild tears that subsided with "lets read a book". She woke up at 4:30am and hollered for a sippy vs nursies. I feel good that it was not a bad time to wean.

THe first two night of getting to sleep were rough (nap esp) since she doesnt know how to fall asleep without nursing. But every bedtime, while it took awhile, had no tears. Bedtime routine is solid in place and going well. Last night she slept until 430, which may be a fluke, but we shall see.
post #7 of 7
So glad it seems to be starting to work out...I was going to suggest a sippy cup to begin weaning! LOL!
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