Need ALL info on breech homebirths, unassisted - Page 2

[Kidzaplenty]

[flapjack]

A huge : to Georgia.

Something that I don't think anyone has mentioned yet is that babies pick up on their mothers stress hormones and react accordingly- and anecdatally, a lot of babies react to maternal stress by flipping breech. If there is a way, any way, that you can look inside yourself, still your mind and allow what will be, to be, then I really think that it- pregnancy, birth, motherhood, the whole of this journey- will go easier for you.

I'm also going to remind you that bicornuate uterus or no, if baby has recently moved position from transverse to breech then there's still room to go the other way.

[BroodyWoodsgal]

Noelle....I wish you the best of luck.

If the hospital will allow you to deliver breech, I would be so happy.....if they will not, I would HIGHLY suggest you try and find a MW...ANYONE who will come and attend your birth who knows what they are doing....not because you CAN'T do it....but because you have so many factors coming into play, that it would probably be the very best thing to have someone there with many births and hopefully a few out of hospital breech births under her belt.


I believe in unassited childbirth. It is where my heart is and it is the type of birth that works best for my family.....so, please understand that is where I'm coming from. What makes me say that I think you should try and find someone who will assist, even if in an "underground" capacity, is because you have so many different things going on....there is no one thing about your situation which strikes me as inherently endangering to you or your baby...but everything taken into considerations at once -ESPECIALLY the fact that you weren't planning a UC until you felt backed into a corner- makes me feel like having someone there with breech exp. may be best.




All that being said....if I were in your exact shoes and had to choose between a c/s that I had a 50/50 chance of MAKING IT through...and a UC breech birth, even with everything else taken into consideration...you can bet your britches I'd be UCing.

Please....hit the books, find out EVERYTHING you can about your situations and possible turns it could take. Get on the phone with the Farm and ask them if they know anyone in your neck of the woods, get on the phone with everyone and anyone whose phone number you can get....just "bump into" everyone in the natural birth community that you can....maybe just maybe, someone will know of someone who could come and help you...or the very least, will have some words of wisdom.

I would never, ever consent to a procedure which left me with a 50% chance of DEATH if there were an option out there with better odds...and as much as you UCing with some of the factors involved makes me slightly "eh"....you UCing this baby, you have better than 50/50 odds of surviving.

All my love and best wishes....I can't believe this hospital wouldn't allow for a breech delivery, but I have been following your story and I know you have been trying really hard to get them to. *sigh* What they are doing should be illegal.

[Spirit Dancer]

In your case I would totally UC.

[LisainCalifornia]

Originally Posted by Spirit Dancer

In your case I would totally UC.

And in your case I totally would not...

[KimProbable]

I delivered a frank breech unassisted this summer. We didn't know she was breech (though I thought her positioning was off somehow) and I don't know if we would have followed through with a UC had we known, but in the end it was a beautiful and simple birth. My baby wanted to be left alone I just listened to her.

In your place, I'd take the time to really sit and listen to baby. Ignore your fears, ignore other people's thoughts, ignore whatever information is bouncing around in your head and just listen to what he/she is telling you and see where that takes you.

[Lingmom]

Originally Posted by AverysMomma

All that being said....if I were in your exact shoes and had to choose between a c/s that I had a 50/50 chance of MAKING IT through...and a UC breech birth, even with everything else taken into consideration...you can bet your britches I'd be UCing.


I would never, ever consent to a procedure which left me with a 50% chance of DEATH if there were an option out there with better odds...and as much as you UCing with some of the factors involved makes me slightly "eh"....you UCing this baby, you have better than 50/50 odds of surviving.

Where in the world are you getting the statistic that 50% of cesareans end in death???

[Kidzaplenty]

Originally Posted by Lingmom

Where in the world are you getting the statistic that 50% of cesareans end in death???

I believe the OP said SHE had a 50/50% chance of dying if she underwent a c/s. Not everyone.

[JessicaS]

I would not UC in your position.

IMO UC is for those with a low risk pregnancy and some knowledge of childbirth and infant emergency care. I don't think UC is for everyone and that is just reality.

Your pregnancy is not low risk. Your pregnancy is high-risk.

I realize it is very difficult to surrender to circumstances, I have had to go through that so I understand how hard it can be.

If you don't trust your OB to listen to you then you need a new OB.

[Sweetiemommy]

I'm sorry you're having this trouble. I want to say that I was present for a breech birth (of a friend) last year with my homebirth midwife, who is extremely experienced and has delivered many breech babies, but even she is very cautious about them and encourages her clients to use the hospital or even have a c-section in some situations. I would really feel concerned about having the baby unassisted, this does not sound like a low risk situation at all...I am a three time homebirther and have witnessed a few more homebirths of friends and let me just say that some of the things I have experienced have been rather surprising and I was awfully glad to have a competant, experienced midwife available.

[annekh23]

Originally Posted by abimommy

Your pregnancy is not low risk. Your pregnancy is high-risk.

I agree, though the problem here is, we really have no clue what your issues are that make c-section a 50/50 chance of death, I've looked through your previous posts and haven't found anything, obviously it's your choice if you wish to keep them private, but it makes it a tricky discussion topic. Personally, I'm really struggling to think of medical conditions that would make a c-section so risky, yet not increase the risk in any type of vaginal birth.

The other thing I'm finding really hard to believe is that if your doctor really thought that you had a 50/50 chance of death in a c-section that s/he still wouldn't try anything to sort things out. Maybe I'm being naive, but if I were a doctor and I had a patient that I thought had a 50/50 chance of dying in surgery but there was another option, but it wasn't usually allowed, I'd be picking up the phone and explaining to the hospital why this time the procedure needs to be allowed.

My other thought is have you spoken with an anesthesiologist, a good proportion of medical problems become their problems in surgery and I don't think the average anesthesiologist is going to be happy dealing with an elective procedure with those kind of risks.

So I'm wondering here if there is some disagreement between you and the doctor what the risks actually are and if there is scope for resolution there.

Finally, if it really is as clear cut as 50/50 chance of dieing in surgery, but absolutely no way they will allow you a non surgical birth, then I'd be contacting every official, charity, press etc I could think of, put a press release out to all the local papers, contact the head of the hospital, contact your local and national government representatives, basically raise hell, as if everything you've said is true, then this is a completely ridiculous and dangerous consequence of the health system and you need to let the world know about that and get everyone on your side so you don't end up dead.

[LAWoman]

I know you are in California, but maybe if you post a specific location someone here will know of a breech friendly OB. If you have already posted it I apologize, I don't recall seeing it. Seems worth a shot at this point.

I know of a couple in Los Angeles, two of them are at Good Samaritan in downtown LA. I just can't imagine that any breech trained doctor would force a c-section on you given your particular risk factors. Why isn't the back up OB petitioning the hospital on your behalf for an exception? Is your midwife still trying to help you find someone to attend? This is crazy.

[prescottchels]

Have you seen this site?
http://spinningbabies.com/

I've seen a lot of UC folks reference it over the years.

ETA:The OP is looking for resources on how to birth a breech baby folks, NOT your opinions on where and w/whom she should do it, unless of course you can tell her names of OB's or MW's that will assist in a vaginal birth in her area

All the best to you and baby!!

[flapjack]

Originally Posted by Noelle C.

So I need ALL the RELIABLE info I can get on this. Please help!!

Prescottchels, the OP asked for reliable information. The reliable information on the safety of UC breech hasn't been compiled by anyone yet. What we do know is that in conventional medical settings, the risks of breech vaginal delivery vary greatly according to the practitioner and the position of the baby. It seems reasonable to bear these facts in mind when considering UC.

[finn'smama]

Originally Posted by annekh23

The other thing I'm finding really hard to believe is that if your doctor really thought that you had a 50/50 chance of death in a c-section that s/he still wouldn't try anything to sort things out. Maybe I'm being naive, but if I were a doctor and I had a patient that I thought had a 50/50 chance of dying in surgery but there was another option, but it wasn't usually allowed, I'd be picking up the phone and explaining to the hospital why this time the procedure needs to be allowed.

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There are practitioners out there who are experienced in delivering breech babies and I can't imagine a doctor not helping you find someone if your chances of death in a c-section are so great. I would make a lot of noise about that if I were you and there is no way I would UC in your situation.

[Cuddlebaby]

was going to suggest spinning babies and also that you find some breech homebirth videos. Laura Shanley had a footling breech, no problems. lots of moms do. you only hear about the problems.

[Cuddlebaby]

http://www.unassistedchildbirth.com/...ys/willie.html

[jeliphish]

Originally Posted by Cuddlebaby

http://www.unassistedchildbirth.com/...ys/willie.html

Yes...this is one case of an uncomplicated UC, but the OP has a lot more high risk stuff going on, and painting the picture for her that UC will be totally fine as long as she "trusts her body and her baby" is negligent. The only reason she has started gathering info on UC is because she has felt backed into a corner.

[Cuddlebaby]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jD5939e5PZ8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vIRTpPOgVw
this mom has a setate uterus....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-o7DKnxOg8
ooooo, new videos from Ina May...haven't watched this yet...

[jeliphish]

If the life/death risk is truly 50/50 for the OP then there HAS TO BE a doctor who will deliver a breech vaginally. There is no way they would risk a C/S if the risk is truly that high.