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post #161 of 216
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Oh, geez. James is going to be waaaay less than impressed when Math 1 teaches him to tell time again. Hopefully our teacher will continue to be cool about sailing through assessments when the material is repetitive...
They should expect that actually, our teacher did! She warned me that we might breeze through the first bit of math 1 because it's built on review from the summer break. Kids going right from K math to it probably won't need it. FWIW we finished K and started 1st grade math a few months ago (don't recall exactly when) but YDD is caught up in 1st grade math at over 50% complete. We've still assessed out of some of it.

There was quite a bit of time in 1st grade math spent on skip counting (2, 5, 10) to 100 which is why I was surprised to see it on an end of K assessment. DD did learn odd and even numbers in 1st as well as greater than/less than signs. She had fun with division as well but still has come across review. She's having fun with it but will most likely finish early too. Not sure how early though.... I'm trying to find out more info on the new math curriculum because our VA is rolling it out next year. If DD finishes 1st grade math by some time in April they will send us 2nd grade math but it will mean she will not get the new math program until she completes the 2nd grade curriculum. I'm trying to figure out if we should slow her down in math and wait on the new math curic. or just let her plow through and wait to start the new one at the 3rd grade level.
post #162 of 216
Exo, when dd finished math one in march or april last year, we just declined to have the math 2 sent to us. I didn't want to end up doing math 3 with a 1st grader who hates to write, because there are no work books in math 3. Anyhow, if she finishes and you'd rather wait for the new math curriculum, you might be able to just ask your teacher not to order it for you, and do other sorts of activities to count as math for the rest of the year.
post #163 of 216
Bean actually started with Math 1 and zipped through assessments anyway. It's only this year (in Math 4) that we've had any cause whatsoever to slow down, and it has more to do with his organizational skills than it does with his math skills. The math itself is still quite easy for him, and it will probably stay that way until he starts Algebra (which is divided oddly )... at least. Boobah has also finished Math K, and she found it quite simple. If I manage to get my tush in gear, she'll finish Math 1 before the end of the school year, too, and she's a very different kind of student than her brother. I realize that my perspective on these courses is somewhat warped by the weirdnesses of my children, but I honestly don't believe that math is supposed to be difficult at this stage of the game-- it's more about building foundations for later work. I would say that I expect Boobah to slow down for Math 2, but I had the same expectations for Bean and it just didn't happen until this year.

Handwriting is difficult, but I don't see how it's really much easier with the workbooks. Then again, I've never been one to make Bean write out the entire math problem before he does the work. We use the worksheets in the student pages, and in Bean's case they've been more than sufficient. We've run into trouble on a few assessments because the numbers are too small for Bean to write around, but his teacher sent some grid paper and if I copy the problems on it he's a happy little guy.

Speaking of handwriting, Bean actually did a drawing in anticipation of ADO last week. The session was canceled, but I'm so flipping proud of him for actually working on this and drawing a picture. I think it's really good, too! He isn't all that fond of it, I guess he feels like he worked too hard to end up with something less-than-perfect, but I think he did a great job on it. I'll probably scan it later this week. I'm so so so proud of him! I know it probably sounds silly to most of you, but he hates art sooooooo much that it's just wonderful to me that he did this with minimal whining and with no tantrum. When I told him I thought that his drawing was wonderful, his response was to point out that Mike had helped him with some of the smaller designs. I count myself lucky that Bean is such an easygoing fellow most of the time, but more and more I'm seeing signs of perfectionism in him that concern me. I keep trying to stress that the effort is what's important, but he's still quite young and darn it all, he wants to see *results*.
post #164 of 216
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Speaking of handwriting, Bean actually did a drawing in anticipation of ADO last week. The session was canceled, but I'm so flipping proud of him for actually working on this and drawing a picture. I think it's really good, too! He isn't all that fond of it, I guess he feels like he worked too hard to end up with something less-than-perfect, but I think he did a great job on it. I'll probably scan it later this week. I'm so so so proud of him! I know it probably sounds silly to most of you, but he hates art sooooooo much that it's just wonderful to me that he did this with minimal whining and with no tantrum. When I told him I thought that his drawing was wonderful, his response was to point out that Mike had helped him with some of the smaller designs. I count myself lucky that Bean is such an easygoing fellow most of the time, but more and more I'm seeing signs of perfectionism in him that concern me. I keep trying to stress that the effort is what's important, but he's still quite young and darn it all, he wants to see *results*.
There's a book called Ish (written for children but honestly I think it's a bit like "Oh, The Places You'll Go!" by Seuss) - all about a kid trying to get things right with art. And another by the same author about a dot which is supposed to be similar I think. Peter Reynolds is the author's name I think.
http://www.amazon.com/James-Excellen...3236924&sr=8-1

If you haven't run into the book yet, you may want to check one or both of them out. Ina has perfectionistic tendencies in a lot of ways but so far it hasn't carried itself out in her academics (which is a relief for me!). But that's one reason I liked Ish, to give her the reminder to enjoy what she does rather than seek perfection all the time.

I know Bean is older, and an old soul too - but maybe he would still enjoy the books?

We are hoping to power through classwork quickly today as I've got a care package to put together for my sister and her fiance, which involves baking two batches of cookies. So I ought to get off MDC.
post #165 of 216
Can someone explaint he new math program to me? We are doing k12 on our own not through a VA so I have only heard about them changing to from this board. I just ordered Math 2 for my son and it came in today. I think they sent me both. I got 3 books. The one that looks just like the math 1 book, then 2 others that look like the phonics books. There is one for semester 1 and 1 for semester 2. They have worksheets and assesments in them just like in Phonics (which I love because that will have me saving sooooo much ink and paper! LOL). So is this what I got? Did I get both and do I just pick one? I plan on calling them tomorrow but I was just kinda wondering now LOL

Lisa
post #166 of 216
Ok I just called them LOL. I saw they are open 24/7. I guess the other 2 books are just the student pages which I did not get with Math 1. Weird but oh well. Saves my printer a TON of work.
post #167 of 216
So the math 2 student pages are in 2 workbooks instead of 1? Awesome! I hate dealing with those huge books with the student pages all in one book. It is just really hard for me to work with the student pages books anyway, so I tend to tear out all the pages one unit at a time.

ok I gotta go watch this show, it is absolutely law-dropping hilarious. I love watching House.................. lol
post #168 of 216
math 5 is in one HUGE book as in really scary huge like phone books used to be and mine is bigger than the student one i wish they had left it devided in to two books we liked to take ours with us for various activites. now we leave that one at home and i either print the part we want to take or just do another subject
post #169 of 216
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math 5 is in one HUGE book as in really scary huge like phone books used to be and mine is bigger than the student one i wish they had left it devided in to two books we liked to take ours with us for various activites. now we leave that one at home and i either print the part we want to take or just do another subject
That's how our math 1 and math K are, one HUGE book that rivals a Columbus phonebook lol With all the student pages and stuff we do daily, I started back in September with using a file box and having a hanging file for each kid, then folders within their file that are labelled with each subject to hold the activity sheets for a unit at a time. I just can't work with those books too well so we literally tar out EVERY page that we do. I also have a folder in the back of my box for each kid to hold the finished pages for that month, and when the month ends I file it away in my cabinet. It works for us right now, until it comes time for the portfolio lol (then it will be mildly interesting, I'll have to look up each thing that they want and then go find it in that month folder, hopefully its not too difficult)
post #170 of 216
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Hey, all!

So today I finally was able to ask the children's librarian at the library if there is a particular homeschool group she thinks we would feel most comfortable with. She told me that she thinks both groups are mostly conservative religious people, but she will put out some feelers to see which one she thinks we would feel most comfortable with (I told her we are very science-based, evolution, etc.). SOOOoooo .... we'll see what she can connect us to. Glad to cross that to-do at least partially off my list.

I've also decided we're going to do Phonics as a 1-2 times/week chunk, rather than every day. Ina's really cruising along with phonics, and I've been skipping the parts that she obviously really 'gets,' which makes the lessons super-short most days (yet we spend a ton of time managing all the magentic letters with 3 y/o dd LOVES to mess with) -- I feel like it will be easier to just do in a big gulp 1-2 times/week; and I will do a full week's phonics each time we do it. Am I nuts?? The only concern I can foresee would be that maybe the repetition is important, even though she already knows all this stuff that I'm skipping without me prompting her or anything?

Right now I'm thinking that if I power ahead now in Phonics, we would end up being able to get the first grade phonics and math before summer, so we could keep doing a little school (TOTALLY on our own schedule) all summer - I'd planned to do some unit studies anyway, but it would be nice to keep the phonics and reading/math up a bit too.

Hope all is well with everyone --
post #171 of 216
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I feel like it will be easier to just do in a big gulp 1-2 times/week; and I will do a full week's phonics each time we do it. Am I nuts?? The only concern I can foresee would be that maybe the repetition is important, even though she already knows all this stuff that I'm skipping without me prompting her or anything?
I was feeling that way about math actually. YDD is missing some of the review at the beginning of each lesson when she passes the assessment w/o doing the lesson. I actually talked to our teacher about it and she is not concerned with retention or gaps because of the unit assessments and review built in later. I understand the phonics curriculum is similar but I honestly haven't seen much review there. We're still waiting to catch up in LA in order to get phonics 1 so I'm not sure yet. Maybe someone who has done both has some insight.

FWIW once we got toward the end of phonics K there were some things DD didn't know. IE: there was a unit on plurals and how if the plural makes an 'iz' sound at the end it ends with 'es' (watches, bushes, matches) and if it makes an 's' or 'z' sound it ends with an 's' (dogs, cats, boats). DD ran through that lesson too and I was worried she'd forget it later since it was new. She hasn't though. When she's trying to spell words she recalls it and notices it in her reading. We played eye-spy games too with it (I see something that ends with an iz).

We encountered the same thing with the ck, k rules at the end of a word. One of the things I enjoy is that since I'm her learning coach I can recall these things and point them out or remind her of them. That alone has helped with the retention. I don't feel like I have that same connection with our ODD who is in a B&M school. I'm too removed from what she's actually doing in school to be able to reinforce it.

I'll just repeat what our teacher told me. If she's getting it, and passing the assessments then she's done the work. Let her move on.
post #172 of 216
Bella has been doing the workbook pages of Boobah's math book, because Boobah just did the assessments. It's kind of adorable to watch her sort and count things with such ease but then have trouble drawing an "X" on items. She prefers to put circles around them, and I let her underline sometimes but other times encourage her to draw the "X" (or try to). In any case, she does every little page because she really really really wants to. Boobah doesn't, and she doesn't need to so I don't force the issue. Bean usually doesn't want to, and if he doesn't need to I won't make him do it, either. There's just no point to it.

We're going to the PA Farm Show today. Should be fun!
post #173 of 216
OK I have to share a new record for our family. lol Thanks to OHVA and the k12 materials, I've been able to maintain my routine and my confidence in homeschooling now longer than I did last year! Last school year we enrolled dd1 in ps a week after the end of the semester, and finishing today's lessons put us squarely into the 2nd week of the semester without doubting myself so much as I did last year. I hit a second wind for this I think, I was starting to feel a bit worn down from teaching the girls all the time on top of the other stuff that I've been dealing with in terms of my home, marraige, and other committments. I really needed this revealation to come to me tonight while I sat here unable to sleep because of all the recent heartache that I've been experiencing.

And dd1 and dd2 got a great lesson today for health class. We got to go to the doctor today because Melissa fell and whacked her face real good on one of our dining chairs last night. No head injuries, just a broken nose from it. lol Poor kid, she got to go to her 4yo sister's well-check because of it (I called and asked if I could piggy-back her onto the appt. for convenience, they are great like that) and then she got to learn about how the nose is structured and what is broken in there, how broken bones mend, and all about bruising. She then came home and told Lydia all about it lol Soooooo health class is done for the week imo................ *snort* I feel bad for the poor kid because her face is all swelled up so she can't wear her glasses right now, and she's got 2 black eyes and a purple flat nose now (they did set it also) She says it hurts, and I can only imagine how it feels for a 6yo but she's not crying or complaining much at all, and hasn't let it slow her down too much. Best part is that she's not sucking her thumb now because it hurts to breathe through her nose lol (she also has a nasty bad habit of sticking a finger up her nose whenever she sucks her thumb, she did that once this morning, yelled in pain, and hasn't done it since LOL what a way to break a habit)

Talk about an unexpected way to get a health lesson. We've been talking about the food groups, making healthy dietary choices, and learning to prepare simple healthy meals and snacks so this was a welcome change. Well, to an extent at least LOL
post #174 of 216
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That's great that your Ped let you guys piggyback like that - ours is very firm about not wanting the other child(ren) even at the appointment. She wants to focus JUST on the kid the appointment is for, doesn't want them back to back etc. I can understand her perspective, but at the same time --- it's not so convenient some days!

So far the Phonics bundling has been going well for us. I skipped the Christmas music as music this week, and instead went looking online for versions of the songs that Pa plays on the fiddle in the Little House books. There's a great one of Highland Mary on Youtube by Johnny Cash (just scenery and his voice). That was definitely cool.

The girls have had colds and I've been sluggish with classes lately ... we are gradually getting caught back up again, though. We did knock two extra history classes out today. We're at the money unit for K math, which is something I actually hadn't worked much on with Ina -- since we usually just use our debit cards when buying things. So, am slowing down to go through those because I know she's not ready for assessments!
post #175 of 216
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That's great that your Ped let you guys piggyback like that - ours is very firm about not wanting the other child(ren) even at the appointment. She wants to focus JUST on the kid the appointment is for, doesn't want them back to back etc. I can understand her perspective, but at the same time --- it's not so convenient some days!
Wow, that's just ridiculously inconsiderate. That would be completely unacceptable to me. Ours won't let me make appointments for more than two kids at a time, because if for some reason we miss the appointment then they're out three or four time slots and that's too much... which I completely understand. That said, I can (and do!) always make appointments for two kids at a time. I suppose it would be less irritating to me if I only had two kids, but having four I could never accept a policy that didn't allow me to make regular appointments for two kids at a time.

School is going fairly well, considering. At our last ADO, the teacher who worked with Bean actually came to tell me how impressed she was with his improved focus and behavior. It was an art day, so his adorable Beanity was even more impressive (he is not an art fan ). She totally made my day. Bean was being such an adorable, big fellow, staying in his chair and doing his work, etc. He's growing up so much!
post #176 of 216
My ped is super-duper laid back, and sees all three kids at one time. As they were all born withing 10 days of each other, it would be pretty irritating to have to do WCCs any other way. He still gets his three copays, though

James passed the Math K assesment of Friday, and lo and behold, they removed the K courses for Math, Phonics and LA and put in the Grade 1 courses. Hope the books show up soon! But all in all, it's a great change. The work and the pacing are waaaaay more appropriate for him.

Rhynna, how on earth did you get Bean to write "one" "two" "three" "four" etc in the Math 1 assessments right at the beginning of his K year? James is doing it, but it's not pretty, and that's after MONTHS of working on handwriting...
post #177 of 216
I've had all 4 in at once before with the ped, they know I'm good when it comes to keeping appointments. I'm thankful to have a ped that lets me do that, when I got 4 kids hacking and choking and needing meds for the same thing it makes it soooooo easy to run in with them all to get an accurate diagnosis and the right dosages and meds for them all in one shot. Our original ped would do all the kids at once too, we left him when I was pregnant with #4 so that we had someone that was more familiar with Melissa's SNs and Lydia's motor delays as a general rule with experience (our old doctor hadn't dealt much with kids with special needs and developmental delays so he was constantly looking up information and my appointments took soooooooooo long)
post #178 of 216
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Yes, it's the one thing I dislike about our Ped. Otherwise, she's amazing. She's very pro-bf (helped me through a TED with my multi-allergic, 'worst reflux she'd ever seen' dd1, on top of supply issues on my part) -- anti-circ (she told us that when we met with her to decide which Ped we wanted, upfront, when we told her we didn't know what we wanted to do if we had a boy). Her politics sync up with ours, too. She doesn't patronize me and generally is just great. This is my one little quibble, and I do understand why she wants to do it that way -- hopefully she's more flexible with larger families (and it's only for the well child visits, she's had both girls in for the same cold at the same time).

Today, Ina is SO not into school. But SJ had an all-night party fest here, which impacted Ina (she kept waking her up), and me (because I was up with her) - SJ has the cold (no fever), is breaking her last molar through, skipping naps and taking them late in the day, then up all night. Tugged on her ear last night quite a bit too - so maybe she has an ear infection? Anyway. No one is on their most focused behavior today. I'm trying to give Ina breaks more frequently, and hope to get SJ down for a NAP in a little bit so maybe she will catch up a little on her sleep, but still go to bed tonight. Here's hoping. Ugh.
post #179 of 216
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Rhynna, how on earth did you get Bean to write "one" "two" "three" "four" etc in the Math 1 assessments right at the beginning of his K year? James is doing it, but it's not pretty, and that's after MONTHS of working on handwriting...
I kind of cheated for that one. I wrote the number words, out of order, on a sheet of loose-leaf paper for him and let him choose and copy the correct ones. The idea is to make sure that the child knows that "eleven" and "11" and "***********" all refer to the same concept, and despite the fact that Bean "couldn't read" he knew all of these things. I did write them out of order just to be certain that he wasn't counting down the list, and I probably made three different lists for him, but he never had a problem. And yes, it was quite messy. Bean's handwriting was simply awful... all-caps and it still looked like he'd tied pencils to a chicken and had it run across a page. It was enough, though.
post #180 of 216
I did something similar with my dd (also did math 1 in K). I wrote down a list sometimes, and othertimes I just counted it as correct if she got an approximation of the word she was going for. I figured it was math and not being able to write/spell the numbers correctly wasn't preventing her from understandin the concepts in any way. She was able to read the number words, and I thought that was enough for her.
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