Come out of the closet- Any HIGH carb TF'ers?

[Koalamom]

I really love the sound of the primal diets, but we really love our carbs. They are only natural whole and properly prepared. I feel just fine about it and don't plan on cutting the carbs out or down.
Come on and show yourself. Where are you high carb TF eaters? Do you want to lower the carbs or are you fine with the amount you are eating?

[sisteeesmama]

I find this interesting because I would say that if eating carbs didn't literally make me feel like I was dying when I ate them I would be absolutely fine with properly prepared carbs in our families diet as well.
I don't think anyone is saying they are bad, just that for them they make a person feel very bad.

IF you feel good after eating them and like them and feel great about eating them then that seems like a great and lucky thing to me! I wish that was me!

[New_Natural_Mom]

: I love me my carbs! Whole grain soaked flour, breads, muffins, waffles, potatoes, pasta, etc.

You can not tear me away! I eat it with fat and natural meats, but I don't do low carb.

[Koalamom]

Originally Posted by sisteeesmama

I find this interesting because I would say that if eating carbs didn't literally make me feel like I was dying when I ate them I would be absolutely fine with properly prepared carbs in our families diet as well.
I don't think anyone is saying they are bad, just that for them they make a person feel very bad.

IF you feel good after eating them and like them and feel great about eating them then that seems like a great and lucky thing to me! I wish that was me!

It just seems like eaing TF means low carb. But is low carb really TF or just personal preferences?

[simplykate]

I've heard Sally Fallon say that properly prepared wheat is an extremely nutritious food....

[sisteeesmama]

I don't think TF means low carb at all, actually. I think TF varies widely around the world. I mean in Europe rye bread is a staple. In other places potatoes are. In tropical places fruit is. I think it depends on your constitution and what makes you feel very good, vibrant, healthy and alive. If carbs are a part of that equation for you and don't give you any bad side-affects then I think that is great for you and if they are prepared properly then that is TF plain and simple.

Just my 2cents!

[seashells]

I eat high carbs - vegetables are the base of my diet, not meat.

I'm not yet certain of what my body does best on, though. When I eat a lot of protein and not much carbs for breakfast or lunch (such as an omelette or quiche), I feel shaky and yucky for the entire rest of the day even if I follow up with carbs later. (I can get away with fewer carbs for dinner though).

I don't think my body likes flour, at least the flour that I'm eating (stoneground whole wheat but otherwise conventional flour). My body definitely doesn't like pasta - I feel great in the short term (while I'm eating it, at least) but then feel bloated. I confess I still eat it about twice a month; old habits die hard and it's just such an easy meal to make.

I'm not purposefully high-carb, I'm not here to argue high carb is the best, even for me. I'm still figuring it out. But vegetables do make me feel good, of course rounded out with fat and protein as well.

[sisteeesmama]

Originally Posted by bluebirdmama1

It just seems like eaing TF means low carb. But is low carb really TF or just personal preferences?

I don't think it's about preferrence though because preferrence to me implies a lack of necessity. For me getting carbs out of my diet is pretty much imperative for my optimal health and for me to feel alive. I think it is about listening to your body and really respecting it and finding what foods work with it and not against it

[mbravebird]

We do plenty of carbs, most of which are well-prepared, but some of which are not. I feel great! I do pay attention to all the low-carb stuff, though, just in case the info might be applicable at some point.

[tanyalynn]

Originally Posted by bluebirdmama1

It just seems like eaing TF means low carb. But is low carb really TF or just personal preferences?

I don't think it needs to be low carb at all. We are trending low carb, and I'm seeing really good changes in DH, but I don't think it's required for good health, or required to heal from bad health for everyone. Useful tool, potentially healthy long-term, but not required IMO.

http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/

This blog has a nice discussion of Price-like ideas, but he's found a lot of other research, old stuff and new, that rounds out the picture. Some of the groups of people out there (fairly modern) that have the attributes of a Price-like diets that are quite high carb, though it's tubers and root vegetables instead of grains.

[FairyRae]

Originally Posted by bluebirdmama1

It just seems like eaing TF means low carb. But is low carb really TF or just personal preferences?

I don't think it does at all--when I think of WAPF (which is what I do think of first when thinking TF) sourdough breads and soaked and sprouted grains are one of the things that comes to mind. I think the TF forum has been full of grain-free/low carb/paleoish threads lately (which is fun for me cause I'm interested in them!) but I do not think low carb is at the root of *traditional* foods. Paleolithic foods, yes , but not all traditional foods, as many traditional cultures utilize grains...

[crunchy_mama]

I think the WAP writings tend to be very carb and grain orientated myself, one of the reasons I avoid them, because I disagree. That being said if you are satisfied w/ your health ie- good stable moods, sleep well, regular elimination patterns, good skin, normal weight, blood sugar stable , high energy and no problems otherwise I wouldn't worry about it personally. I think for most everyone on this path we started her because something was amiss. Traditional high carb diets were not working- as most people tend to a high carb diet unless they specifically work to avoid the carbs.

[tanyalynn]

Originally Posted by crunchy_mama

I think the WAP writings tend to be very carb and grain orientated myself, one of the reasons I avoid them, because I disagree. That being said if you are satisfied w/ your health ie- good stable moods, sleep well, regular elimination patterns, good skin, normal weight, blood sugar stable , high energy and no problems otherwise I wouldn't worry about it personally. I think for most everyone on this path we started her because something was amiss.

There ARE a disproportionate number of people who feel/felt bad who hang out in this forum. But I found that pretty helpful when I was just starting to expand my horizons.

Traditional high carb diets were not working- as most people tend to a high carb diet unless they specifically work to avoid the carbs.

I do suspect there's a difference, though, between grains and other carb sources for some people. Not for everyone, but for some people, grain-free but with other fairly starchy sources seems to make a difference (just like GF alone makes a difference for some, even with other grains subbed in).

[Magelet]

We love carbs! veggies, tubers, fruits, grains, they are a big part of our diet. We do try to have more veggies, tubers and fruits, and less grains, but we love those grains too. And I'll admit, our grains aren't usually totally TF yet. Sometimes sourdough, or wholewheat, almost never both. I haven't found 100% wholewheat sourdough that's worth anything tastewise yet, and don't know how to make it.

We do load our carbs with fat of course. We do love them so though. (and yes, regular storebought pasta makes it into our menu plan more often than I'd like healthwise but its so easy, and its my "comfort food" what I grew up eating. I don't think I'll ever be able to give up pasta, though maybe I'll switch to homemade soaked. I don't want it to be my kids comfort food. but it is so easy...)

[Metasequoia]

I don't think TF necessarily = WAPF or Sally Fallon, either.

What really bugs me about NT (WAPF/SF) is the unrelenting promotion of dairy. It seems they've realized that some people actually DO have problems with gluten, though I get the feeling from SF that she thinks it's over-diagnosed. But I don't get that same acknowledgment about raw dairy.

When carbs come into discussion, grains vs starchy veggies/tubers isn't always mentioned or recognized. I think there's a big difference, both health wise & discussion wise.

There are just soooo many variations under the TF umbrella. There's grain-free (but still fairly high carb), there's low carb (but still eating some grains), just a really wide range of combinations.

I don't think anyone here in the TF forum should ever feel excluded because they don't fit perfectly in every discussion. I often participate in discussions that I don't fit perfectly into, but I take what I can from them (& learn a lot!)

[Metasequoia]

Ha! I began this post well over an hour ago, went to cook lunch & came back to see that a couple of posters said just about the same thing as I was saying.

[ursusarctos]

Originally Posted by sisteeesmama

I don't think TF means low carb at all, actually. I think TF varies widely around the world. I mean in Europe rye bread is a staple. In other places potatoes are. In tropical places fruit is. I think it depends on your constitution and what makes you feel very good, vibrant, healthy and alive. If carbs are a part of that equation for you and don't give you any bad side-affects then I think that is great for you and if they are prepared properly then that is TF plain and simple.

We are pretty high carb. Most of the carbs come from veggies and wholegrain and/or sourdough bread, and we do eat plenty of butter and olive oil with them too. We do some fruit but not a ton because it's just not seasonal here for most of the year. We both grew up with high carb diets and both do well on them (when the carbs are coming from the sources I mentioned and combined with other good food. Meat, eggs and good fat are very important for my wellbeing, DP can go without them much more than I can and still be sane ).

[serenbat]

We eat a high carb diet and I have a grandmother who is 92 who eats and has always ate a high carb diet (with WHITE bread at each meal), her mother ate the same way (was 85) and I had another grandmother who also ate this way and lived to be 95.
No health related carb problems, tons of grains of all types, rich butters, etc. and that's how we eat.

[Teenytoona]

I agree with most everyone. I think the type of carb is important to sort out for yourself/your family. For me, it's helped me to finally make the grain/gluten free change. My family doesn't eat like that. Boy I cannot tear them away from their noodles. The thought of trying to sprout and soak and mill and then make homemade noodles to fit their craving is daunting. And since DH and I are struggling for time to cook anyways since we both WOH, excluding grains from my own version of cooking TF has been the easiest for me. Granted there are still noodles and rice and bread in the house, and I usually end up making them as a side for the rest of the family. Excising them from the grocery list is a fight that I just have to let go. But the meat/veggies/fermented veggies/broths etc that I cook are as TF as I can make and afford them to be.

That said, I have an inkling that for me potatoes are not as hard on me as other carbs. Breads, pastas and the like I just cannot stop eating once I start. That's why they're out for me.

[shannoneileen]

Well my family, after SAD, initially went Low Carb because my DH was concerned about his weight gain. I then transitioned to Primal, then I discovered NT. Out of all of the dietary changes that I have made, NT makes the most sense to me.

After cutting out HFCS, transfats and packaged/processed goods, while adding good fats and fermented foods, I believe that anyone could thrive on a Low Carb, Primal or NT WOE.

We don't drink a lot of milk, our dairy primarily consists of cheeses, yogurt, sour cream and butter. Raw milk may be something that I feel that I want to explore one day, but today it's just not something that we do.

I've recently started soaking brown rice and I've added potatoes, buckwheat, quinoa and rice flour to our diet. I plan on learning how to make sourdough, so I've been slowly adding carbs back in and my family seems to be doing well. I consider my WOE moderate carb. If that makes sense.