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It's not my baby but... (rant)

post #1 of 77
Thread Starter 
My DD is 4 months old and my brother's DD is 9 weeks old. Both our first. SIL is "Ferberizing" her newborn and I'm not sure how long I can keep my opinion to myself. I've read up some on the Ferber method and it does not recommend letting your baby CIO until three months of age. Well, SIL started at 3 weeks.

Last night SIL had a Facebook update that read "is letting DD cry it out and it's killing me". Which was followed by a bunch of her friends encouraging her and telling her she was doing the right thing. I asked on her update "For what purpose?" Her response was the following.. "it teaches babies that crying doesn't necessarily get you what you want and it strengthens their self soothing skills. Normally DD goes to bed sleepy but awake but tonight she went to bed completely asleep. She woke up a half hour later crying because she was wide awake and overtired. We went in at intervals to check on her and soothe her for a moment. I did eventually pick her up because she spit up on herself from all that crying, got her cleaned and calm and put her back down. She fussed a little more but put herself to sleep and has slept through the night. Yes, it's absolutely heartbreaking but she can't get in the habit of thinking crying and tantrums will get her everything"

WHAT?!?! Her DD is 9 weeks old!! She's not throwing a tantrum! She just wants her momma! What's so wrong with that???? My blood pressure rises just thinking about that poor baby crying for her momma with no response.

I hate it when people thrust their unwanted parenting advice on me, so I really don't want to spout off on SIL. But I'm not sure how long I can hold my tongue! SIL also told me once she tries not to hold her DD much because she doesn't want her to get used to it. And now I get the feeling like she's judging me and thinks that I have a spoiled, bratty daughter who gets whatever she wants because I refuse to let her CIO (at least alone, sometimes a baby needs to cry, and then she does it in my arms).

I know in a couple years I'll have a well adjusted toddler who will have confidence in herself and her parents. SIL just might end up with a clingy DD who has no self confidence. I've seen attachment parenting and it's end results first hand. That's how my mother raised my brother and I. We're both self confident individuals who have excelled in our own ways and we have wonderful relationships with our parents. My childhood friend was raised like SIL is doing, left to cry it out, never held.... she has no self confidence as an adult, was suicidal as a teenager, and has a horrible relationship with her parents now. Also, SIL was raised as she's raising her daughter and she ran away from home at 17! She moved from NJ to IL to get away from her mother.

So now I'm ranting and raving to you guys because it's a safer outlet than letting SIL have it. Any advice on how to deal with this? Or have something innocent that I can say to SIL?

My DH is just shaking his head at me. He doesn't think I should get so up in arms about this since it's not our child. He's fully onboard with AP, so I'm incredibly lucky that we're on the same page. He's disgusted by her too, but he's not the confrontational type (I am LOL).

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post #2 of 77
Where's your brother in all this? IF I said anything it would be to him as he's the one you presumably have the better relationship with.
post #3 of 77
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I've read up some on the Ferber method and it does not recommend letting your baby CIO until three months of age. Well, SIL started at 3 weeks
I thought it was six months and to be honest, hasn't he been in a lot of trouble about that? And hasn't he gone back on that and revised it to even older? Post in the nighttime parenting forum because someone can no doubt give you a link from a credible source.

Has she even read the book?

My approach, when someone complains about how hard it is to listen to their baby cry, is to take the side of the mom - that's YOUR baby. Don't let some "expert" with questionable credentials and old information tell YOU how to parent YOUR child. It is ok to listen to YOUR instincts. And I try to leave it at that. I also try to add in something like, Oh, I know it must feel so wrong. When the guy said it's ok to (actually, I read this in another book but it seems to be a fairly common thing in all the "let them cry" type sleep training books) let them cry till they vomit and then leave them in it so you don't disturb the process, I knew he was nuts - no wonder those babies sometimes fail to thrive. I wouldn't get into that part on facebook, but it might be something to mention in person if she brings it up.

http://www.intuitiveparenting.org/ferber.html

Gosh, if you just google "Ferber recants" you sure do get a lot of sites.
post #4 of 77
I'm sorry. But, I agree with your husband. Being mad and feeling like they are wrong is one thing. But, saying much to your sister in law is something else.

I could NEVER leave my baby to cry alone in her crib. Just the thought of it turns my stomach. But, she's not your child, and they have their way of parenting. I wouldn't LIKE it. But, I wouldn't say much. I also think she's using the word "ferberizing" but, I don't think it's really a ferber method. She just wants to have a name to call it. When in reality, it's called "I don't want to keep going in there and she's being too high maintenance, and I'm tired".

Your family knows how you feel about this. But, they don't care, and they aren't going to change it.

Just DON'T trust them with your child overnight until your baby is a lot older.

I do wish your sister in law listened to her gut. If it's "killing her to listen to her cry" then why wouldn't she go do something about it???
post #5 of 77
Thread Starter 
I'm not honestly sure where my brother stands in this. He's a very passive person, and follows his wife's lead. SIL got the Ferber method from a baby book titled "Baby 411" and it was only a small paragraph describing different parenting methods.

nextcommericial, you definitely right, it's not my place to say anything. It just grates my cheese so much that's she's going off incorrect information, is completely backed up by her friends, and her baby is suffering for it. DH says, "You can only parent your own child."

We were going to have an arrangement between SIL and I where we watch each others babies while the other can work at home for a bit (They're moving into a house down the street from me). But now I don't feel comfortable leaving my DD alone with her. *sigh*
post #6 of 77
That poor LO! I am not conf. So I prolly wouldn't say much. But I would ask WHY she thinks her LO has some motive to manipulate her parents into spoling her? Is her LO so advanced that she can reason 'i want to cry so I can manipulate those around me'?! Babies cry because they are to little take care of themselves!!! I would casually bring up facts that support AP, armed with data! This is not imposing methods of parenting, just casually informing her that her method has no factual reasoning, and yours does. She may refute you but let it roll of your back. Eventually it will come out that your parenting method is better, when her LO is a clingy toddler.
I hate it when others impose advice that we should CIO, so I wouldn't impose 'advice' to her, just inform her of some facts to AP. I had someone go as far as give me the bk '12 hrs sleep by 12 wks of age'!!! That book is borderline child abuse!!! But that's a dif rant!!!
I feel sad for that poor baby crying all alone!!! Your doing the right thing w AP and let the proof come out in time, and allow her to parent as she chooses, as much as it kills you to watch!
post #7 of 77
poor baby
post #8 of 77
I would maybe find out what age you're "supposed" to let them cry, and tell her something like, I know you're planning to use sleep training, and thats your choice, but I just wanted to let you know that the recommended age to start that is 3,6,9, months (whatever that number is..)

I can't fathom having done that to a newborn (any baby, really) my guy nursed around the clock until like 3 months. I would have felt so terrible if he was crying instead of eating!
post #9 of 77
I got so far as the part where you said her LO had "spit up" on itself and she picked the poor thing up then...

Doesn't she realize that her LO probably cried so much that it threw up!!! I can't even comment more because what I would really like to say would get me kicked off here.

Sorry but if I were in that situation I would have definitely let her know exactly what I think about what she is doing to her child, I know it's not your place but sometimes I don't care, if someone is doing somthing so totally outrageous and is actually thinking it is a good thing, I guess I don't care if it is PC to say something or not I would let them have it.... Sometimes I just can't stand how we all have to tiptoe around each other because someone might be offended. This is the part where DH tells me to cool it because I have lost it a few times at people. I just can't keep my thoughts to myself sometimes and sometimes people deserve.

That being said I know it could be turned around and someone could tell me I was the worst parent in the world and I was doing everything wrong and yeah I would get mad but it wouldn't be the end of the world.
post #10 of 77
I really couldn't care about social niceties...I would say something. I really would. I feel that CIO is just wrong, ESPECIALLY with a newborn. Buy her the book the "Continum Concept" or something like that for Christmas, not to make her feel bad but to show her other ways of parenting.

However, I would not wait until Christmas. I would say something NOW! But that is just me.
post #11 of 77
If It is a close friend or family I would have to say something. If its not a close friend or family...then I just back off the realtionship. I have recently experienced this with a "friend". Not someone I was terribly close too though. I had a really strong reaction when she told me she was scheduling her 3 wk old dd (feedings and naps). I have since realized that we are just on opposite ends of the parenting spectrum. Oh well.
post #12 of 77
I am soooooo mad. Poor li'l baby...crying until she vomits and feeling completely abandoned and unloved and confused and hungry but having to sleep through all that when finally tired and cried out...

And - forgive me ladies - but the Ferber method is very callous!!

How dare he????? He has probably hurt so many babies and into their adulthood.
post #13 of 77
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Originally Posted by nukuspot View Post
I really couldn't care about social niceties...I would say something. I really would.

However, I would not wait until Christmas. I would say something NOW! But that is just me.
Totally agreed here. We have to speak up when something is potentially damaging to poor innocent babies who cannot speak for themselves. Ultimately it is her decision but you can always offer different perspectives in a friendly way. Sometimes that's all it takes.
post #14 of 77
yeah, an information compilation would have been great on facebook.

There's a lot of info out there on CIO. You could have just said, "Oh, did you read this by this DR? He says this."
post #15 of 77
nak-
recent studies have shown negative effects on the brains, and the emotional and social development of babies that are left to cry on their own.

Here is a pretty good site that you should consider passing on to your brother and SIL. Sure, it's not your baby, but it is a baby that is not being given a fair start in life and not being nurtured and respected ther way that all babies should be. SIL may get angry at you for "butting in", but she can't really argue with the science. If she chooses to ignore it, that's her problem, but at least you will know that you spoke up for your niece.

Imagine that you were doing something that you thought was beneficial for your child, and someone close to you had information showing that in fact your actions were detrimental to your dd's health and well-being - but didn't bother to share that with you.
post #16 of 77
Yes, it's bad that she's doing this. But please try to stop projecting into the future about her probable "clingy toddler with no confidence."

You may know some people who were CIO'd and suicidal as adults. But that's an awfully big stretch.

I would venture to guess that many of us here were CIO'd and, while we wouldn't do it ourselves, we are doing fine.

At the same time, how often do we read about whiny, clingy, AP'd toddlers? A whole lot.

If you must say something, NiteNicole's advice is the best.

"My approach, when someone complains about how hard it is to listen to their baby cry, is to take the side of the mom - that's YOUR baby. Don't let some "expert" with questionable credentials and old information tell YOU how to parent YOUR child. It is ok to listen to YOUR instincts. And I try to leave it at that."
post #17 of 77
I think CIO is wrong.

OTOH, lots of people thought that most of what I did at as a parent of babies was wrong, that I was damaging/wounding/breaking my babies with AP.

I sure did get tired of being the recipient of tons of well-meaning but unwelcome advice.

Assuming we don't starve or bruise our kids, we all have the right to care for them in the ways that we choose.
post #18 of 77
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Originally Posted by UptownZoo View Post
I think CIO is wrong.

OTOH, lots of people thought that most of what I did at as a parent of babies was wrong, that I was damaging/wounding/breaking my babies with AP.

I sure did get tired of being the recipient of tons of well-meaning but unwelcome advice.

Assuming we don't starve or bruise our kids, we all have the right to care for them in the ways that we choose.
At the very least though, allowing the infant to cry until 'spitting up' constitutes a safety issue. I would hope the parents are at least offered resources on reducing the risk of asphyxiation or lung infection from their practices.
post #19 of 77
I have no advice, but I can relate to you because my SIL/BIL have a three month old, and they are CIO'ers, circ'ers,vaxers, and totally not into attachment parenting.


It makes me sad for their baby, but it's not my place to offer my opinion, especially since they don't ask me for it. It breaks my heart though. I feel for you, but I really feel for these poor babies that have to suffer because their parents are woefully and willfully ignorant.
post #20 of 77
ds was banging on keyboard so double post, sorry
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