Just want some support/breech babe - Page 2

[JessicaS]

I hope the chiro helps, I don't think I would agree to a c-section for a Frank Breech after six vaginal births.

You might post to your local FYT board and see if they know "someone" who might be willing to show up and assist if the baby is still breech when your birth gets closer. There is still plenty of time for the baby to turn. Have you tried the flashlight trick?

I was Frank Breech and nine lbs with a HUGE head. My mom's OB said "Oh shoot! She's coming butt first" and he promptly turned me around. Drs like that are hard to find now.

[jenneology]

There's a fourth option: show up to the hospital pushing. They wouldn't be able to do much of anything so if they keep their hands off it would be like a UC with an audience. And if they didn't keep their hands off, it could mean some injury to baby and you.

If you are a praying woman, I fully trust in the power of prayer to bring peace, and give guidance. Your Father in heaven knows what the end result will be given any situation, He can guide you to the one with the happiest outcome.

You've got a lot of knowledge and information available to you and you have the intuition and strength to make informed choices.

You can search for a Webster certified chiropractor at this website: http://www.icpa4kids.org/locator/index.php

There's also acupuncture and moxibustion, which you've probably already heard about. Rixa at Stand and Deliver also went through the same process with her last pregnancy and you could read through her experiences (www.rixarixa.blogspot.com, search for breech).

[abc123xyz]

Just to encourage you...I had a surprise breech 3 weeks ago on Friday...didn't know until I was pushing and his testicles presented first :*) That being said, I had a posterior and asynclitic presentation birth with my first and I would take the breech all day long!!!! I only had one small tear. With my first, I had three third degree tears! The birth was a bit hectic but I only pushed for 10 mins and he was out. I did have a good friend who happens to be a midwife present and my Dh. When my little one's legs finally flopped out, they just supported him but didn't stimulate him with touch at all. My LO was born with cord around his neck and not breathing but not blue either. Just a little stimulation after birth and he came around and is totally and completely healthy and fine!!! I am glad I didn't know ahead of time he was breech but now I know I can do anything!!! I think you shouldn't get too worried because you do have some time for your LO to turn still but being prepared is always best. I would continue with your birth plan and maybe have someone who is well-read on breech birth and the best approaches!!! So things will go well!!! If you need any info or approach advices, PM me and I can help with what I know!!! What state do you live in??? There are always underground MWs willing to do things that go against the norm...

[DocsNemesis]

I haven't had a UC before (though I was close to one by accident with my 4 year old), but I was planning a homebirth with my last one and ended up with a cesarean.

To be blunt-there is no way in h$^% that I would have a cesarean JUST for a breech. Breech is just a variation of normal. Now...if I were in full blown labor and my baby was stuck transverse...that'd be different. But really, most women in other countries deliver breech vaginally with the same, if not better outcomes as ours. Its just doctors here are so scared of litigation.

That brings me to another fact-most doctors in the US are not experienced with breech. That to me is more dangerous than delivering on my own. From everything I have read, the best approach to delivering breech is hands off. How many OB's are hands off? Not many. Most hospital breech births are highly managed and if you have an OB who has never done breech birth before...well, it could be disastrous.

I had a cesarean for HELLP and it was my decision in the end (though my body certainly was the driving force behind that decision-my liver and kidneys were shutting down and my platelets were dropping so fast, surgery was becoming more dangerous every hour, coupled with my cervix being completely closed and thick). However, I would never take having a cesarean lightly. The recovery was terrible for me-though I know it varies from person to person. Just for me...ugh, no ty. I was always scared of having a cesarean before and this time I'm terrified of another one.

[hapersmion]

I had my first baby breech at the Farm (that was in 2006, I'm sad to hear they aren't doing primip breech any more). Nothing happened that wouldn't have been just fine at a UC. And it didn't seem to me to take very long for his head to come out, if that's the part that's worrying you.

Having done it, I wouldn't want a c-section just for breech. I'd check out possible underground midwives in the area, go to the Farm, UC, have the baby in the parking lot if I had to - or if I was really desperate, I might go to a breech-friendly OB.

Good luck! The baby will most likely turn, and if not, maybe the baby just wants give you a new and different experience.

[MG01]

Yes, I too was really disappointed when Ina May said they couldn't take a primip breech even though other factors should have made me a good candidate. I understand the need for safety and such, but I haven't read any evidence that primip breech is more dangerous than multi? Does anyone know?

Anyways, either way, I was disappointed as the Farm is clearly one of the most experienced in breech delivery and one of the key factors in safe breech birth is having an attendant who is not scared or will not pull on the baby or unnecessarily intervene- I believe both the fear/anxiety/negative energy, as well as the actual interventions/"hands on the breech" unnecessarily can create stress or danger when it would not otherwise be there. I do think it would be safer to birth at home unassisted and confidently than at a hospital or with a midwife who was inexperienced and/or reluctant. JMO.

So, with a mama who knows her body and has birthed many babies prior (again, not because I know specifically of research that multipara breech is safer, maybe it is maybe it is irrelevant, but for me, it would be more the fact that you have that conscious and unconscious knowledge and faith in your ability to birth and understanding of how the process unfolds and what it feels like for you, even though it can obviously differ from baby to baby) I would think it would be a definite option.

I will continue to send those turning vibes, and most babes DO turn!! in the meantime keep thinking through your options and what feels right to you- remember, babies know what they are doing and (generally) assume the best position for them if they are allowed to do so- so if you are working on leaning forward (not slouching back), breech tilts/spinning babies, moxa, pulsatilla, craniosacral, hypno, etc. any/all of the other options mentioned that feel right to you, I believe your baby will likely go vertex IF that is feasible and comfortable for babe- sometimes there are factors we don't know about in utero, or even ever, that determine position, but with prior healthy vertex pregnancies I don't imagine it could be something like uterine shape/septate uterus/etc.. but there may be a reason s/he is in that position, such as placenta or cord size/length/position, you may never really know.. but if you give babe maximum opportunity to turn, I do believe that if s/he safely can, s/he will, and if not, perhaps breech is the best position for your babe.

It helped me a lot to use affirmations like "My baby will find the safest and most comfortable position for birth" or "My baby and I are working together to create the best position for baby for birthing." "My baby is healthy and safe." And to both take control by doing my research and having options/plans in place, but then also relinquishing that control emotionally to the baby and birth process.. if that makes sense..

Keep us posted and best to you!! <3 *hugs*