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post #101 of 143
I'm posting a reminder to everybody to please address your comments to the general audience and to the issue at hand rather than directing your comments to any one member. Please try to maintain the civil tone this thread has held on to (for the most part!). I'd hate to have to close it down when it's gotten this far!

Thank you.
post #102 of 143

i am all for ear rings

i love seeing ear rings on little baby girls and young girls.

i have no problem with doing things for cosmetic reasons.

it only hurts for a few seconds. it isn't a big deal to me.

lots of things in life hurt, especially if you are a female.

pain is half of being female.

anyway, i think they are CUTE.


THAT SAID, id not let a baby have them if the baby tugged on them or got infections with them. if so, id remove
post #103 of 143

Re: i am all for ear rings

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Originally posted by sleepies

lots of things in life hurt, especially if you are a female.

pain is half of being female.

why in the world would you believe that?
post #104 of 143
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i have no problem with doing things for cosmetic reasons.
Anything? Even to children? You cannot be serious.
post #105 of 143
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lots of things in life hurt, especially if you are a female.

pain is half of being female.




i *really* hope you're not going to teach that perspective to your daughters.
post #106 of 143
I think some of you need to lighten up.... really.: I can think of FAR MORE PRESSING things to debate on and trash people about..... Wanna name a few??
post #107 of 143
repectfully, ms doula, i think human (including baby humans) rights violations are a very big deal.

if it is ok for a parent to pierce a baby's ears or cut off their foreskin, what else is ok? do parents OWN babies? where to children start having rights of their own? just when it comes to neglect, incest, abuse? or should their rights begin where ours begin- if they are equally human? who decides what is "just a little hole" or "just a cultural thing"?
post #108 of 143
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I can think of FAR MORE PRESSING things to debate on and trash people about.....
Sure, and we do debate those too.
No one is making anyone participate in this debate.
post #109 of 143
true. Buth if the Mommas being flamed/bashed did NOT post, then this would not be much of a debate, would it? But rather it would be a biased, one-sided discussion I think. I just think the expressing of matters of oppinions here could be shared more kindly.
post #110 of 143
it seems to me like nobody's actually discussing anything here. one side is saying, "babies are people too, and deserve rights and respect," and another side is saying, "gosh you people are dumb, get over it, it's just a cute little hole."

** just my interpretation of what's going on...
post #111 of 143
your right, nothing is being discussed. But my interpretation is more of one side saying "it's not that serious, it's just a little hhole" and the other side saying" what stupid mean mother's you are abusing your daughters".
Funny how things are interprited huh?
post #112 of 143

I didnt have time to read

any other replies but my personal feelings about piercings are they should not be done to a child at all. It is similar to circumcision in my eyes because you are permanently altering another person's body without their informed adult consent and I consider it morally wrong and a human rights violation. I don't excuse it for "cultural" reasons as I don't for circumcision either. I understand why a person would do it a little more maybe if part of their cultural heritage but I still consider it wrong. That doesnt mean I would bash someone over it but those are my feelings.
post #113 of 143
Jeca, and others, if you are interested, throughout this thread no one has responded to these issues:

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Originally posted by tabitha
i think human (including baby humans) rights violations are a very big deal.

if it is ok for a parent to pierce a baby's ears or cut off their foreskin, what else is ok? do parents OWN babies? where to children start having rights of their own? just when it comes to neglect, incest, abuse? or should their rights begin where ours begin- if they are equally human? who decides what is "just a little hole" or "just a cultural thing"?
there is just no way my position and questions can be interpreted they way you claim, especially since it doesnt seem anyone who is in favor of ear piercing wants to respond to them. why not? nothing to say? honestly, i wouldnt persist in posting these questions if i didnt really want to know what you (and others) think.

are children equally as human as adults, entitled to the same basic human rights? i am sure we can all agree it is not within, say, our husband or partner's rights to modify OUR bodies without our consent. we're adults, you know, we have rights?

tabitha
post #114 of 143
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... throughout this thread no one has responded to these issues...
tabitha that's exactly what i mean! it's like there's no real discussion going on.
post #115 of 143
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Originally posted by mountain mom
I think that if you are to teach your daughter respect for her body, then how can you violate that by piercing her ears before she is capable of making that important decision on her own. It is violating to her to take this matter in your own hands.
post #116 of 143
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Originally posted by angstmommy
I am anti mainly because it is not my body. I do not believe that I have the right to do that to her.
post #117 of 143
I went back to the start of this thread and there are some great opinions illustrating the point of the child's body being their own and it is disrespectful to take this desision as one that the parent has the right to make.

I have asked this of those who pierce and I still have yet to get an answer.

"How can you pierce your children without their consent? I want to know what makes you believe that you are in charge of this decision."

Some have answered it is a cultural motivation, but that answer seems vague to me.
post #118 of 143
NAK well I had this lenghtly reply but accidently hit f5 and it all went bye bye but here we go..again.my keys are acting up so it may look weird.

I must be a gluton for punishment or something but here we go.....
How can you cut your childs hair without their consent_ how do you know they would choose to have that done_ what about mamas who choose not to vaccinate_ if your child knew the pros and the cons how do you they would choose not to_ same thing for mamas who do vax_ how do they know twhie child wants to be injected with vaccinations_what about mamas who don{t circumsise are you sure that{s what the child would chose_ my brother actually asked my mother when he got older why she didn{t circ him as did my husband. I personaaly don{t circ, my son is not circ but he may also cometo me when when he is older and askk teh same question. I also know people whose children asked them why didn{t they perice their ears when they were younger, they wanted tehir rars periced and wished it was donewhen they couldn{t remember it. Those who raise their children to be vegan, is that what the child wants_ how do you know_what about baptizing or christinings_ how can you choose that for them, do you know they want to be raised in that manner. Some of you may feel these examples are slight but bottem line is aren{t you making these decisions for your children_
I am not for or agaist ear pericing actually. Probably why I have one peirced one not. I honestly have no opinion on that matter anymore. But to dismass cultural traditions or customs as [stupid[, [silly[ or worng is really just looking down your nose at things that you think you are bettter than IIMO. WHat about tribal lip plates_or even arranged marriages. I knew a none year old with a nose ring, She{s from some place in india I believe I can{t remember the exact was I surprised, well a little but I don{t know there tribal or cultural xcustoms and I wouldn{t dare assume to. It doesn{t bother me if someone wouldn{t dare do it or they think it{s wrong but don{t bash the mother for not being like you.
you think the cultural thing is vague but I feel the same way about the right to choose stance_ where does it began and end_
post #119 of 143
What I think is interesting throughout this discussion is that those who oppose ear piercing seem to be upset that (recently) those who have chosen to pierce are not arguing..

Could it be that we are OK with our decision? I personally do not need the approval of anyone to feel self-justified. I have expressed why we chose to pierce our daughter's ears, yet some call cultural reasons "vague." I don't see what is vague about the practices and traditions of another culture. Possibly they are not the same as yours so you do not understand them, yet that does not make them vague.

Do not assume that those who have chosen to pierce their daughters ears are sinking into the background and wishing they had not done it. This is not my case, though I cannot speak for others.

What we did, we did for reasons that we felt were justified. If you don't agree with our decisions, that is fine. I won't loose sleep over it.

Christina
post #120 of 143
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Originally posted by Midwestenmomma

Do not assume that those who have chosen to pierce their daughters ears are sinking into the background and wishing they had not done it. This is not my case, though I cannot speak for others.

What we did, we did for reasons that we felt were justified. If you don't agree with our decisions, that is fine. I won't loose sleep over it.

Christina
fOR NOT SPEAKING FOR OTHERS YOU SAID IT WELL.sorry about the caps this keyboard is all funky acting. I know some of you are truly adament about this and I can admire that but if she doesn't want the hole, take out the earring. It's not irreversable as you may like to believe and for those who choose to do it at a young age they are not mentally scarred, they don't even remember it. I don't loose sleep over it
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