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post #61 of 108
well my kids have these and I have not taken it from them. I am not sure where FEAR came up? Stupid and mindless yes, fear no. My rule is I simply don't replace batteries of ANY battery toy that comes through my door. (though Grandma has caught on now and sends extras)

btw I will admit I have seen my kids turn into little zombies with this toy (especially my sensory seeker) it caused a lot of whining at home actually when it was time to put it away or when the batteries died. In the car though it was entertaining while driving cross country twice. I still have it but will probably give it too my nephews (Who play with probably 90% battery operated toys) though we are getting a battery charger for our camera so they will be welcome to use those batteries I suppose. (not sure if they are the same)..

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Originally Posted by JL83 View Post
Why would you give it away? Why not let your kid play with it? That's where it feels like there's an element of fear.

If there's nothing to fear from the toy, then what would be wrong with letting your child play with it occasionally and maybe have some fun. Or maybe they would think it's dumb and it would never leave the shelf.
post #62 of 108
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Originally Posted by JL83 View Post
Why would you give it away? Why not let your kid play with it? That's where it feels like there's an element of fear.

If there's nothing to fear from the toy, then what would be wrong with letting your child play with it occasionally and maybe have some fun. Or maybe they would think it's dumb and it would never leave the shelf.
Are you afraid of everything you don't like and decide to give away? I doubt it. I am quite certain that people can not like something and not be afraid of it all at the same time.
post #63 of 108
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Originally Posted by rainbowmoon View Post
well my kids have these and I have not taken it from them. I am not sure where FEAR came up? Stupid and mindless yes, fear no. My rule is I simply don't replace batteries of ANY battery toy that comes through my door. (though Grandma has caught on now and sends extras)

btw I will admit I have seen my kids turn into little zombies with this toy (especially my sensory seeker) it caused a lot of whining at home actually when it was time to put it away or when the batteries died. In the car though it was entertaining while driving cross country twice. I still have it but will probably give it too my nephews (Who play with probably 90% battery operated toys) though we are getting a battery charger for our camera so they will be welcome to use those batteries I suppose. (not sure if they are the same)..
I guess it seems really consumerist to artificially shorten the lifespan of a toy by not replacing the batteries. That makes the thing get close to useless.

Maybe I've spent too much time with people who actually have nothing to be able to do that. Try playing soccer with some kids who have turned an empty car oil bottle into their soccer ball and this kind of thing stops mattering.

We don't buy very much stuff. So if my kid gets a battery operated toy (which she's gotten a few of) then we're going to get as much use out of them as possible. It seems very wasteful to either ignore the toy or just give it away.
post #64 of 108
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Are you afraid of everything you don't like and decide to give away? I doubt it. I am quite certain that people can not like something and not be afraid of it all at the same time.
I can understand the not liking it. There are plenty of toys I "don't like". I can't understand having enough stuff to just give it away.
post #65 of 108
Well our preference is NOT battery operate toys. Our families know this but yet keep on giving them.

I will feel no qualms about passing it on. If you view that as wasteful then that is YOUR prerogative. I find it wasteful to be given plastic battery operated toys to begin with. (not to mention the manufacturing and labor practices)

My kids DON'T have a lot of toys either. Very few in fact. They still won't miss it I can guarantee that.

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I guess it seems really consumerist to artificially shorten the lifespan of a toy by not replacing the batteries. That makes the thing get close to useless.

Maybe I've spent too much time with people who actually have nothing to be able to do that. Try playing soccer with some kids who have turned an empty car oil bottle into their soccer ball and this kind of thing stops mattering.

We don't buy very much stuff. So if my kid gets a battery operated toy (which she's gotten a few of) then we're going to get as much use out of them as possible. It seems very wasteful to either ignore the toy or just give it away.
post #66 of 108
It's not about having enough stuff, it's about our FAMILY'S preference. We are trying to raise non consumeristic, earth destroying kids that are addicted to certain "brands" or characters.. These types of toys certainly don't help with any of that.

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I can understand the not liking it. There are plenty of toys I "don't like". I can't understand having enough stuff to just give it away.
post #67 of 108
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Originally Posted by rainbowmoon View Post
I think you are taking peoples opinions of the toy a bit personal. No one is judging you.
It was pontificated up thread that people no longer have time to interact with their kids because of toys like this. If it can be stated that not liking this TOY isn't about fear, why can't it be stated that liking it isn't about not having time for one's kid?
post #68 of 108
oh and another example. My MIL went out and got DS a DVD player this weekend while she was visiting. (because we don't have a tv) A PORTABLE one he can watch when he wants. HE's 5!!!!!! YES I took that right away as it causes him BIG problems and sensory overload and he is not able to self regulate (case in point he started hitting RIGHT away which is a habit we have tried hard to curb due to sensory issues). Am I'm afraid of that too? Or should I just let him have it and turn into a little raging monster?

Anyway that was rhetorical question I am not expecting an answer and I am done with this thread.
post #69 of 108
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Originally Posted by North_Of_60 View Post
It was pontificated up thread that people no longer have time to interact with their kids because of toys like this. If it can be stated that not liking this TOY isn't about fear, why can't it be stated that liking it isn't about not having time for one's kid?
because no one said a thing resembling being fearful of this toy?
post #70 of 108
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Originally Posted by JL83 View Post
It seems very wasteful to either ignore the toy or just give it away.
Yes, teaching anti-consumerism to your kids by opening disliking gifts to the point of giving them away or selling them so they can be replaced with something more "appropriate" never made sense to me.
post #71 of 108
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Originally Posted by rainbowmoon View Post
It's not about having enough stuff, it's about our FAMILY'S preference. We are trying to raise non consumeristic, earth destroying kids that are addicted to certain "brands" or characters.. These types of toys certainly don't help with any of that.
So you plan to raise non consumeristic kids by teaching them that it's perfectly OK to simply discard things they don't like rather than figuring out a way to use them.

I don't see how that could work. That seems like teaching kids to go ahead and waste things they don't personally see as valuable.
post #72 of 108
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Originally Posted by North_Of_60 View Post
Yes, teaching anti-consumerism to your kids by opening disliking gifts to the point of giving them away or selling them so they can be replaced with something more "appropriate" never made sense to me.
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post #73 of 108
who said anything about discarding them? we will give them to someone who WILL actually use them and want to waste their money on the batteries.

and yes I teach my kids about the wastefulness of plastic.

it actually does work.

my kids would much rather play outside or with OTHERS than plastic crap anyday.

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Originally Posted by JL83 View Post
So you plan to raise non consumeristic kids by teaching them that it's perfectly OK to simply discard things they don't like rather than figuring out a way to use them.

I don't see how that could work. That seems like teaching kids to go ahead and waste things they don't personally see as valuable.
post #74 of 108
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Originally Posted by North_Of_60 View Post
It was pontificated up thread that people no longer have time to interact with their kids because of toys like this. If it can be stated that not liking this TOY isn't about fear, why can't it be stated that liking it isn't about not having time for one's kid?
I believe someone was talking about these types of toys in general, not about some random parent who has the odd battery operated toy for their kid. No one here said that if a parent has one of these toys then they by default don't have time for their kids. We have a couple battery operated toys here (even some Baby Einstein ones ), and I took no offense to the remark. I let my kid watch TV too and took no offense the comment about TV because I know they were no talking about me.

Yet, it has been either stated outright or not so subtly implied that not liking these toys makes one silly and fearful and that giving them away makes them an ungrateful wasteful consumerist with no concept of the conditions that some people live under in the rest of the world.
post #75 of 108
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Why would you give it away? Why not let your kid play with it? That's where it feels like there's an element of fear.
Honest to goodness!! Because I don't like those kinds of toys.

The OP asked for opinions. I gave mine-I don't like "educational" electronic toys that are tied into products very much. Just like I don't like Baby Einstein or Disney or Hannah Montana. I am not afraid of these things, I simply don't think we need them in MY house.
post #76 of 108
one last thing maybe you should show yourself the EFFECTS of the plastic toys on the environment and other HUMANS. yet I should just accept it and continue to use it in good conscious? NOT.
http://www.chinahush.com/2009/10/21/...tion-in-china/
post #77 of 108
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Originally Posted by rainbowmoon View Post
who said anything about discarding them? we will give them to someone who WILL actually use them and want to waste their money on the batteries.

and yes I teach my kids about the wastefulness of plastic.

it actually does work.

my kids would much rather play outside or with OTHERS than plastic crap anyday.

I find the bolded very offensive for what it implies about parents and kids who choose to practice "moderation" rather than extremism.

As I look around our living room, I see a nice mix of plastic toys, wooden toys and fabric toys. Sometimes we buy plastic because either the durability of a wooden version or the cost makes it the better choice. I see nothing to be gained by buying a wooden toy that's going to be easily snapped and broken by my child (like the doll house furniture). But my eyes keep landing on the crappiest toys we have and they are all wood...

We have a Noah's Ark set that annoys my child because none of the lovingly hand carved by a local artisan animals look like an actual animal. So she refuses to play with them because they just make her mad. We have a painted wooden pull toy rabbit which was well loved, but now just looks sad because much of the paint has chipped off. The paint on that thing would chip off every time it got bumped into a wall which happens alot when a little kid pulls something after them.

And then I see the most played with toys... They are out infront of the TV where my 3yo sits and plays while watching treehouse sometimes. There are lovely wooden blocks and Lego all mixed together. But I guess singing along to Dora has entirely impeded her imagination and prevents her from being creative...
post #78 of 108
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Originally Posted by riverscout View Post
Yet, it has been either stated outright or not so subtly implied that not liking these toys makes one silly and fearful and that giving them away makes them an ungrateful wasteful consumerist with no concept of the conditions that some people live under in the rest of the world.
It has nothing to do with not liking these toys. I have plenty of toys I don't like. It has to do with the "concern" for these toys, especially when coupled with the red herring that over use/misuse can cause problems for some kids. Isn't that true for a lot of things? Tv, junk food, etc.

Scrutinizing educational toys with the mindset that RELYING on educational toys to learn basic reading skills, is... well, stupid. No one has expressed any desire to rely on these toys for the sole source of eduction, so using that as an argument for not liking them, or for being concerned makes no sense.

And, I totally the get the distaste for how educational toys are marketed. Really do I. But perhaps my ambivalence for these kinds of things is because I'm not really a boycotter at heart? I mean, it's not going to TEACH my kid to read. Got it. If I RELY on it to teach my kid to read, she might fall behind or have troubles in other areas. Got it. So with that in mind, I don't understand the concern, which does sort of read as slight bit of fear (but then again, I'm not worried about brain damage from TV's either, so take that with a grain of salt).
post #79 of 108
Computers are plastic.
post #80 of 108
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Computers are plastic.
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