menigitis?

[Gwendolyn's babies]

Just had a friend lose her 2 yr old to menigitis (actually a friend of a friend)

I haven't read too much on the vaccine for menigitis.

Please some imput from all of you. YOur opinions, what you know.

It seems to hit soo fast, It worries me.

What do you know about the vaccine?

I am heading off to look in all my books.

[MyLilPwny]

Was the kid vaccinated for something that can cause meningitis? The death could have been caused by vaccines. Children can develop Hib right after being vaccinated for it.

Haemophilus influenzae type b can cause meningitis. The Hib vaccines itself can cause meningitis, diabetes, Guillain-Barre syndrome, paralysis, etc.

Pneumococcal disease can cause meningitis. There are 90 differenct strains of pneumococcal. The vaccine Prenvar has only 7 of the 90 strains in it. Most healthy children aren't at risk for the disease anyway. And the vaccine has been reported to cause death, diabetes, autoimmune diseases, etc.

Meningococcal disease can cause meningitis. There are 13 different strains of meningococcal. The Meningitis C vaccine only contains the C strain, which is just 20% of cases in the U.S. The vaccine, as with any other, is also known to cause horrible adverse effects as well.

In summary, the vaccines don't cover most of the strains, and the vaccines have been reported to cause lots of damage and have caused meningitis themselves.

My reference for the above information is Vaccines: Are They Really Safe and Effective by Neil Z. Miller

[Gitti]

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Just had a friend lose her 2 yr old to menigitis (actually a friend of a friend)

I wonder if she was vaccinated with the Meningococcal vaccine? That actually increases the chances of getting meningitis since it only covers a few bacteria and leaves a person vulnerable to the ones that take their place. (Sero replacement.)

I haven't read too much on the vaccine for menigitis.

There actually is no vaccine for meningitis. It's like saying a vaccine for a broken arm.
You can get meningitis from many bacteria or viruses. The Meningococcal vaccine covers only a few bacteria...like I said on top.

It seems to hit soo fast, It worries me.

It is not very common and the vaccine that is sold as a protection has made no overall difference in deaths from meningitis. A vaccinated child, whose system is out of balance, is probably much more vulnerable to meningitis. I believe it is mostly do to treating colds and flus with fever reducing and other medicines.

Here is an excellent article and part 2 and part 3.

[JAZE MOMMIE]

So sad--did they hospitalize the child before they died ??
Was it the meningitis or the treatments for it that resulted in the babes death ??

I often wonder when I hear of a child dying if it is the meds given that are supposed to inhibit the body responses to the germs or the germs are stronger and overtake the child first .
Sad -sad

I specifically am refering to antiinflammatories -large IV doses to stop the bodies inflammatory responses -meds to bring down high fevers ,etc.
I had not read the whole story.

[zinemama]

Hib was the one vaccine whose benefits I felt outweighed the risks. (Which I don't think are nearly as great as pps have suggested). According to Dr. Cave's book, What Your Dr. May Not Tell You About Childhood Vaccinations it is one of the least reactive vaccines.

[Deborah]

The problems with the Hib vaccine appear on a population, not an individual level. Read some of the articles about serotype replacement on insidevaccines to get a sense of the problem.

[Sileree]

Originally Posted by zinemama

Hib was the one vaccine whose benefits I felt outweighed the risks. (Which I don't think are nearly as great as pps have suggested). According to Dr. Cave's book, What Your Dr. May Not Tell You About Childhood Vaccinations it is one of the least reactive vaccines.

Looking at the symptoms reported in the clinical trials in the package inserts I found the opposite. In my view it's almost worse than the old DTP vaccine.

[Kathryn]

Do you know if she had viral or bacterial? My daughter had viral (www.caringbridge.org/visit/lilymathis1).
I would research for yourself and come to a conclusion you feel comfortable with.

On the meds killing the baby vs the meningitis, I highly doubt that.

[13Sandals]

Originally Posted by Kathryn

On the meds killing the baby vs the meningitis, I highly doubt that.

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not necessarily....the instant that the bacteria becomes 'invasive' (a rare occurrence in any case) the body is in a desperate state and immediately spikes a fever - sometimes extremely high. this high fever is the body's best chance to turn invasive disease around. what usually happens at first sign of a kid fever? give tylenol - which robs the body's first defense (fever) then reduces the body's antibody response to the invader. of course this has an effect on disease progression. absolutely.

OTC medicines, improperly used, harm kids all the time. and by improperly, I mean the normal, run of the mill, idiot advice doctors give for treating symptoms all the time.

op-viral meningitis is rarely fatal and there is no vaccine for viral meningitis. vaccines for bacterial meningitis don't do much. they wipe out certain strains of bacteria that live normally and without harm in the nose and throats of folks all the time. they do nothing to protect kids from other strains of bacteria that cause the illness, and in fact, cause serotype replacement which can lead to more aggressive illness than would have been encountered in the first place. meningitis is scary and I worry about that more than any other disease. my defenses? I know what signs to look out for so I can seek treatment immediately if they present and I (as a rule) let the fever burn for at least 24 hours.

[Kathryn]

I was very specifically responding to this:

Was it the meningitis or the treatments for it that resulted in the babes death ??

I often wonder when I hear of a child dying if it is the meds given that are supposed to inhibit the body responses to the germs or the germs are stronger and overtake the child first .

Which questioned that the treatment for the meningitis (ie; antibiotics) by the dr's was what may have killed the child.
I didn't say anything about OTC medications.

On signs to look for, just be careful with that. We thought we knew as well, but signs are very easily masked in young babies. In my daughter's case, she had no fever, just a slight cough, runny nose, and was grouchy. She had an extremely rare case, of course, but we were in the group that never thought it would happen to us.

[carriebft]

She posted a link to her story.



if it is not too personal- has your experience affected your views on vaccines at all (even though it was a viral infection)?

[Kathryn]

She isn't ok, she's just not dead.

We woke up to her seizing and gray in the middle of the night. She was comatose in the hospital for over a week, on dozens of medications to help save her life, and in the hospital awake, but sedated for almost a month. She has very severe global brain damage, is blind, cannot eat, cannot talk, and cannot move. She will be a 'newborn' until she dies, which likely will be before she even hits 10 years old.

My point was that her symptoms WERE cold symptoms, until she was already almost dead. It went FAST. She was fine when she fell asleep and was severely brain damaged only two hours later.

Her site is www.caringbridge.org/visit/lilymathis1, if you wanted to read a bit further into it.

[Kathryn]

Originally Posted by carriebft

She posted a link to her story.



if it is not too personal- has your experience affected your views on vaccines at all (even though it was a viral infection)?

Not too personal at all. I'm not shy about what happened.
It kind of has. We haven't vaccinated any of the kids yet, but we're considering a few now, on a super delayed schedule (obviously, since they're already 3 and 5. : ).

[carriebft]

I have been doing some research into meningitis with the new prevnar coming out + having another mom tell me a story very like yours-- essentially cold symptoms turning into a deadly situation in a span of mere hours (again at night-- rooming in in an amby next to their bed). Things like this challenge everything I thought I *knew*.

[13Sandals]

Originally Posted by Kathryn

I was very specifically responding to this:



Which questioned that the treatment for the meningitis (ie; antibiotics) by the dr's was what may have killed the child.
I didn't say anything about OTC medications.

On signs to look for, just be careful with that. We thought we knew as well, but signs are very easily masked in young babies. In my daughter's case, she had no fever, just a slight cough, runny nose, and was grouchy. She had an extremely rare case, of course, but we were in the group that never thought it would happen to us.

I was responding to exactly the same thing - meds given for the illness, they don't specify antibiotics. when people don't think OTC medications 'count' as treatment, they continue to be given out like candy. they are far from innocuous.

[Kathryn]

I agree with you about OTC meds not being harmless, I just don't see how that poster was talking about OTC meds.

[amnesiac]

Please remember to remain on topic for this forum regarding meningitis vaccines. Any additional discussion regarding medications or other treatments should be taken to PM or the Health & healing forum.