or Connect
Mothering › Mothering Forums › Natural Living › Family Safety › How dangerous is this really?
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

How dangerous is this really? - Page 2

post #21 of 43
Quote:
Originally Posted by suebee79 View Post
What do people who have trucks do?
Trucks with no backseat laws are exempt from backseat laws
post #22 of 43
Quote:
Originally Posted by Spirit Dancer View Post
WE have a 2002 Sunfire. I have tried on at least 6 occasions to get 3 carseats in (with different rfing/ ffing combos). I know 3 radians would fit but we do not have the money.

Right now my son is in an Evenflo Chase Booster )it has a five point harness he is using). I really am not sure what he weighs. I need to find and accurate scale. He is about 39 inches tall.

I am not comfortable at all putting a rfing newborn in my front seat besides I think it is illegal here and people will notice.

AS far as a booster bing illegal till 40 lbs/ 4years I do not know the law on this but most people I know put their 3 yr olds in boosters and I know not all are 40 lbs. I even know a couple people who have 2 yr olds in booster (I would not do this). It is very common and no one says anything and the cops do not care.

If I do this my son will be almost four. Are there any crach tests or data showing a young four in a properly harnessed NB booster?
After 4 and 40 lbs, it is safe assuming the child sits correctly every time. Why would you be using a backless booster though? It's not going to be any narrower than a high back, and the back provides side impact protection and helps position the shoulder belt better. It also helps smaller kids stay in position better, especially if they ever fall asleep in the car.

I just want to point out that what "everyone else does" is not always safe or right or legal. Whether the cops care or not should NOT be your biggest concern. Your son's safety is more important than a ticket.

I don't think anyone has mentioned this, but buckling in a booster beside another car seat is much more difficult than installing a harnessed seat and just doing up the harness each time.

I would first find out about trading the car in. Because what you intend to do is not a good long-term solution. What happens when the baby is out of the bucket? Then you might be stuck not being able to afford another radian and you'll be at square one. Get a car that will easily fit 3 seats in the back. Even if you have to go down in price/year. A '98 taurus is going to be safer for your family than your current car.

In the meantime, since you don't know how much your son weighs and your DD is ff'ing anyway, put him in the radian and her in the evenflo. Have you tried the bucket in there baseless with those two seats in any combination?
post #23 of 43
Quote:
Originally Posted by suebee79 View Post
What do people who have trucks do?
Put them up front. Most trucks with no back seat will have an airbag shut-off switch. I'm not sure it's actually illegal anywhere though, I think the pp is mistaken. There are many strong recommendations against it, mainly because all new cars come with airbags. Or they have exceptions, like in cars and trucks with no back seat, or when all other positions are occupied, ect.

Bottom line, it is NOT safe to put a child in front of an airbag, especially a rf'ing one. You could probably be ticketed for "misuse" on that count because all car seat manuals say not to use the restraint in a position with a frontal airbag and most states have a "proper use" clause.

Older cars that don't have airbags, or the few that have a shut-off switch? Not a problem. Rf'ing seats especially, up front in a car with the airbag off, are very safe.

But this wouldn't be a solution for the OP.
post #24 of 43
I'm curious, in the OP's situation, is it better to have an under-4yo harnessed in the front seat (with airbag) or in a booster in back? I'm aware of the risks of both situations, but not sure if there's any data comparing the two.
post #25 of 43
I've always found the Evenflo Chase and the radian puzzle well together. Could you fit an Scenera in on the other side for the new baby? They are almost the same price as a Turbo booster.

And where are you in Eastern Canada? If you are in the HRM PM me and I'll come and help you figure this out.
post #26 of 43
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheGirls View Post
I'm curious, in the OP's situation, is it better to have an under-4yo harnessed in the front seat (with airbag) or in a booster in back? I'm aware of the risks of both situations, but not sure if there's any data comparing the two.
This may not be very helpful because it's based off memory and I can't cite studies right now (I know I've read them and am not just pulling an opinion out of my hind end), but assuming the child meets the bare minimums -- not necessarily the best-practice minimums -- and can use the booster properly without wiggling out of it, I'd rather see the child in a highbacked booster in back than harnessed in front. If the child cannot consistently use the booster properly, then it shouldn't even be considered as an option, and I would not consider a backless booster as an option at that age either.
post #27 of 43
Quote:
Originally Posted by bandgeek View Post
Put them up front. Most trucks with no back seat will have an airbag shut-off switch. I'm not sure it's actually illegal anywhere though, I think the pp is mistaken. There are many strong recommendations against it, mainly because all new cars come with airbags. Or they have exceptions, like in cars and trucks with no back seat, or when all other positions are occupied, ect.
Some states do have laws about when kids can ride in the front seat, but states with those laws also have exceptions for vehicles without a back seat.
post #28 of 43
The Law as per the Transport Canada Website.

Pre-school to 8 years old

The law requires booster seats for children who have outgrown a child car seat but are too small for a regular seat belt.

Booster seats are required for children under the age of eight, weighing 18 kg or more but less than 36 kg (40-80 lb.) and who stand less than 145 cm (4 feet-9 inches) tall.

A child can start using a seatbelt alone once any one of the following criteria is met:

* child turns eight years old
* child weighs 36 kg (80 lb.)
* child is 145 cm (4 feet-9 inches) tall.

A lap and shoulder combination belt must be used with all booster seats. Your child's head must be supported by the top of the booster, vehicle seat or headrest. The shoulder strap must lie across the child's shoulder (not the neck or face) and middle of the chest, and the lap belt must cross low over the hips (not the stomach/abdomen). Never use seatbelt adjusters.

* Between 18 and 36 kg (40—80 lb.)
* Booster seat
* Use with lap and shoulder belt
post #29 of 43
Thread Starter 
Twinklefae, I do not live near you but thanks for the offer.
I will try a few other combos of seats (with the ones I have) and see what I can do. Thanks.
BTW when I was talking about a booster I meant a high back one- just wanted to clarify.
post #30 of 43
Quote:
Originally Posted by Spirit Dancer View Post
BTW when I was talking about a booster I meant a high back one- just wanted to clarify.
Super, I just saw "NB booster" and thought you meant 'no back booster.'
post #31 of 43
Quote:
Originally Posted by an_aurora View Post
Super, I just saw "NB booster" and thought you meant 'no back booster.'
Me too.
post #32 of 43
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by an_aurora View Post
Super, I just saw "NB booster" and thought you meant 'no back booster.'
Sorry. Typo, I meant HB.
post #33 of 43
I have had a lot of success getting 3-across in very small cars in Canada. Try these combos:

Chase (what we had, actually), snugride rf, radian across will probably work best. We have fit this in in an '88 civic, so it works in teeny tiny cars. The SR has a base, right? That will boost it up a couple inches higher, kind of overlapping the Radian and allowing a little more space.
A scenera would also work (put the eldest in the Radian) and costs the same as the Turbo.

One thing to remember is that if you put your eldest in a booster, it is really difficult to buckle them without scraping the %^&* out of your hand.
post #34 of 43
haven't had time to read everything......

but I'd use two sceneras and the radian. The radian is safe for the newborn, put the other two in the sceneras. Then when the baby is big enough that it's not needing the infant insert for the radian anymore, switch the baby to rearfacing in a scenera, your middle child FF in the other scenera, and your oldest in FF in the radian. Those are 3 VERY narrow seats and should fit. The snug ride is WIDE because of the handle.
post #35 of 43
Quote:
Originally Posted by Throkmorton View Post
I have had a lot of success getting 3-across in very small cars in Canada. Try these combos:

Chase (what we had, actually), snugride rf, radian across will probably work best. We have fit this in in an '88 civic, so it works in teeny tiny cars. The SR has a base, right? That will boost it up a couple inches higher, kind of overlapping the Radian and allowing a little more space.
A scenera would also work (put the eldest in the Radian) and costs the same as the Turbo.

One thing to remember is that if you put your eldest in a booster, it is really difficult to buckle them without scraping the %^&* out of your hand.
OH, yes, even better.
post #36 of 43
Quote:
Originally Posted by Spirit Dancer View Post
WE have a 2002 Sunfire. I have tried on at least 6 occasions to get 3 carseats in (with different rfing/ ffing combos). I know 3 radians would fit but we do not have the money.

Right now my son is in an Evenflo Chase Booster )it has a five point harness he is using). I really am not sure what he weighs. I need to find and accurate scale. He is about 39 inches tall.

I am not comfortable at all putting a rfing newborn in my front seat besides I think it is illegal here and people will notice.

AS far as a booster bing illegal till 40 lbs/ 4years I do not know the law on this but most people I know put their 3 yr olds in boosters and I know not all are 40 lbs. I even know a couple people who have 2 yr olds in booster (I would not do this). It is very common and no one says anything and the cops do not care.

If I do this my son will be almost four. Are there any crach tests or data showing a young four in a properly harnessed NB booster?
this is what i would try if i was you.
dd in the chase booster in the 5-point harness (because she will be under the 47lb)
ds in the radian (because he will be able to be in it longer in the 5 point)
baby in the bucket if you are lucky this baby will not out grow in in a few months.
the true fit goes on sale at zellers/toysrus for 150. since it has the weight limit of 65lb and is alot less then a radian it is a good option.
the Evenflo Titan Sport Convertible Car Seat is $99 in toysrus.


placement would be trial and error. radian in the middle, chase on one side & bucket on other side.
post #37 of 43
Quote:
Originally Posted by Spirit Dancer View Post
OK so thanks for all your insight.
To answer some questions:
1) I live in Canada so our seat options are more limited here plus car seats cost a far amount more here then down in the US. For example another radian would be about $400 and that would be a good deal.
Babyproofingplus has Radians on special right now for about $230 http://www.babyproofingplus.com/item...?blnSearch=yes (just one of them - they have a few with different covers on sale too). It is a Canadian store, and shipping should be free. I'm not sure how long the sale is on for or when it will repeat. The normal price is 300 for that one or they have others for 270 normal price, but they seem to pretty much always have free shipping offers for orders over a certain price.

It's still quite a bit more than a booster, but also considerably less than $400.

Are you going to be able to fit another convertible in when the Snugride is going to be outgrown? If you are going to need another Radian then anyway, it would be far better to try to scrape the money together now while the price is good as well as allowing you to keep the older child safer for longer.
post #38 of 43
Quote:
Originally Posted by pers View Post
Babyproofingplus has Radians on special right now for about $230 http://www.babyproofingplus.com/item...?blnSearch=yes (just one of them - they have a few with different covers on sale too). It is a Canadian store, and shipping should be free. I'm not sure how long the sale is on for or when it will repeat. The normal price is 300 for that one or they have others for 270 normal price, but they seem to pretty much always have free shipping offers for orders over a certain price.
I was going to say the same... and actually they are cheaper at juniorbaby.com 199.99 with 20.00 shipping (so 219.99 altogether) for that model. And the XTs (which rearface 5 extra pounds) are 229.99 with 20.00 shipping.

But I see how that still might not matter if there just isn't money there right now...

There is bound to be a lot of places clearancing out their old Radian stock (which is what is happening at Junior Baby) to make room for the new Radian SLs coming next month.
post #39 of 43
Quote:
Originally Posted by Throkmorton View Post
I have had a lot of success getting 3-across in very small cars in Canada. Try these combos:

Chase (what we had, actually), snugride rf, radian across will probably work best. We have fit this in in an '88 civic, so it works in teeny tiny cars. The SR has a base, right? That will boost it up a couple inches higher, kind of overlapping the Radian and allowing a little more space.
A scenera would also work (put the eldest in the Radian) and costs the same as the Turbo.

One thing to remember is that if you put your eldest in a booster, it is really difficult to buckle them without scraping the %^&* out of your hand.
This is an excellent plan and a good point!
post #40 of 43
Quote:
Originally Posted by Spirit Dancer View Post
WE have a 2002 Sunfire. I have tried on at least 6 occasions to get 3 carseats in (with different rfing/ ffing combos). I know 3 radians would fit but we do not have the money.

Right now my son is in an Evenflo Chase Booster )it has a five point harness he is using). I really am not sure what he weighs. I need to find and accurate scale. He is about 39 inches tall.

I am not comfortable at all putting a rfing newborn in my front seat besides I think it is illegal here and people will notice.

AS far as a booster bing illegal till 40 lbs/ 4years I do not know the law on this but most people I know put their 3 yr olds in boosters and I know not all are 40 lbs. I even know a couple people who have 2 yr olds in booster (I would not do this). It is very common and no one says anything and the cops do not care.

If I do this my son will be almost four. Are there any crach tests or data showing a young four in a properly harnessed NB booster?
Are you saying you can get radian/bucket and chase in the car? If so, put the 2 yo in the chase harnessed, older kid in teh radian harnessed, and baby in the bucket.
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Family Safety
Mothering › Mothering Forums › Natural Living › Family Safety › How dangerous is this really?