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post #1 of 7
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i was diagoned with swine flu on sunday, then my two boys (3mo & 11yo) were on tuesday eve. their ped, and the er docs wanted them on tamiflu. at first we were going to give it to them, but all the pharmacies we called were out. finally dh decided it was a sign to avoid the risks of tamiflu, and we stopped searching.

my 11yo is taking all the home remedies to combat it, as i am; but not my 3mo. i've been nursing him like crazy, and sitting with him in sunny windows, but there has to be more i can do for him.

i'm in a constant state of panic (not good for getting through my own flu) that either of them will get a secondary infection that will land them in the hospital, or worse. as afraid as i am for my asthmatic 11yo, i'm even more so for my tiny 3mo babe.

please. someone tell me there are things i can do for, or give to my 3mo. i believe in the amazingness of breastmilk, but what if that's not enough?
post #2 of 7
we have everything on this list (i went crazy researching a couple months ago). we actually have windbreaker and i SWEAR by it.. my kids haven't had the flu but have had colds a couple times and the windbreaker mixed with our other supplements keep them almost symptom free for days. you have to get it through a practioner, tho.. maybe you can find someone in your area?
we also use Carlson Baby D drops, Herbs for Kids echinacea and for the baby I bought a powder version of calcium ascorbate.

My husband just got over the flu and I had him taking Hylands Complete Flu Care (i've been taking them once a day to ward off his germs).. they sell one for children as well. i think it helped a lot (it has the same ingred. in it as Boiron Oscillo. and some other stuff as well).

Good luck to you...


Excerpt from FLU:
Alternative Treatments and Prevention

by Randall Neustaedter OMD,
North Atlantic Books, 2005

Some special issues apply to children with the flu. First, children can develop high fevers with much less severe accompanying symptoms than adults. A child with a 104Âş (40Âş C) temperature is miserable, but can also quickly rally. An adult with this level of fever feels as if he will die. Second, because children have easily weakened digestive functions, they tend to develop more digestive symptoms than adults. They often have vomiting and diarrhea with the flu, sometimes as one of the first few symptoms of illness. Third, children go through stages of the flu fairly quickly and the treatment regimen may need to change frequently during the course of the illness to match the symptom picture. This applies especially to homeopathic medicines. A medicine that fits the picture on day one may transition to a new medicine on day two and again on day four.

Homeopathic medicines are equally and completely safe for newborns, infants, and older children. Dosage is typically one or two pellets of sugar pills that have been prepared by a homeopathic pharmacy. Infants can hold the pellets in their cheeks and they will dissolve. Older children can chew them. Alternatively, parents can crush the pellets and dissolve them in water then give a half or whole teaspoon as a dose.

Children younger than two-years-old are more likely to develop serious complications of the flu than older children or adults if they are treated with conventional medical approaches. In one study children under two were 12 times as likely to be hospitalized with respiratory disease during the flu season compared to children over five years of age (Izurieta, 2000). In a second study children under one suffered significantly more complications of heart and lung problems compared to older children and adults (Neuzil, 2000). These alarming statistics from conventional medicine should encourage all parents to seek alternative care for their children who encounter the flu.

Homeopathic Treatment of Flu

First stage of flu

One of three medicines will usually be indicated for the first stage of flu symptoms in children: Belladonna, Gelsemium, or Arsenicum.

Belladonna is characterized by fever without other significant symptoms except lots of heat and a headache. Usually by the time other symptoms arise a different homeopathic medicine is indicated. Children who need Belladonna are usually quite tired and seem dull, glassy eyed, and lethargic. They tend to have red, flushed faces and sometimes will also have cool hands and feet.

Children needing Gelsemium are achy, chilly, and not very thirsty. Children want to be covered, they may moan with the aching muscles, and they are decidedly sluggish and tired. The most characteristic symptom of Gelsemium is the lethargy. Children may seem like limp noodles, draping themselves over a parent's shoulder, or lying limp in someone's arms. Their eyelids seem heavy and they are sleepy, lacking the energy to even develop a lusty cry. Gelsemium is by far the most commonly indicated medicine in children's flu symptoms.

Arsenicum is indicated when the flu begins with digestive disturbance. Children may wake up in the middle of the night and begin the illness with vomiting. They soon also develop diarrhea. In general if the first symptom is vomiting, then give Arsenicum. Children who need this medicine may also be anxious, chilly, and thirsty for small sips of water. These symptoms may confirm the accuracy of the Arsenicum prescription, but it is not necessary for children to fit this classic Arsenicum picture to begin using this medicine at the onset of a flu with digestive symptoms.

Second stage of flu

Usually the later stage of the flu in children is characterized by nasal congestion, headache, and cough. Bryonia is the most commonly indicated medicine. Children who need Bryonia have a headache and body aches that are decidedly worse from moving. They want to lie down and remain still, complaining more if they are moved. They are thirsty and warm. These children want to be uncovered and complain more if the room is warm. They want windows open and fresh air. They are irritable and older children want to be left alone. They soon develop congestion and a dry cough, which may be painful because their muscle aches are worse from moving.

If respiratory congestion is the primary symptom then change the medicine to Pulsatilla or Kali-bichromicum.

The Pulsatilla stage has clear or thicker yellow mucus from the nose. The eyes may have some discharge as well. The child wants to move, feels better from motion or being carried and rocked. Children who need Pulsatilla are warm, thirstless, and clingy. They want to be held, they cry or whine easily, and seem very dependent. They do not want to be left alone.

Kali-bichromicum is indicated when the nasal discharge or the mucus produced when coughing is thick and green. These children may have a loose cough, sinus pressure, and night waking from the cough and congestion.

Croup is a fairly common complication of flu in children. Croup is characterized by high pitched breathing and a barking cough like a seal. The characteristic symptoms are caused by swelling of the throat and larynx.

If symptoms occur suddenly in the night with difficult breathing and fear, then give Aconitum and take your child into the bathroom with the hot shower running. The steam will usually relieve the alarming symptoms. If the barking cough persists, then give Hepar-sulphur. If the cough later turns loose, with some rattling breathing and hoarseness then switch the medicine to Spongia-tosta.

When diarrhea persists as a predominant symptom of the flu in children the three most commonly indicated medicines are Podophyllum, Mercurius, and Veratrum album.

Podophyllum diarrhea is copious, filling up the diaper and running down the legs. Parents wonder where all of this stool comes from. The stool has a foul, offensive odor. Bowel movements may be gushing, and stools are sometimes frothy.

Mercurius (either Mercurius-solubilis or Mercurius-vivus) fits diarrhea that burns the skin causing a rash. The stool is watery, it may be greenish and contain mucus like raw egg whites or it may be streaked with blood. All of these stool characteristics indicate a very inflamed intestinal tract. Mercurius stools are always offensive and acrid, causing redness and pain around the anus. Children who need Mercurius are often sweaty and chilly, though they may also feel hot at other times.

Veratrum symptoms tend to be even more severe. Children are cold and shivering, with cold sweats. They also have a nearly unquenchable thirst for cold drinks. The diarrhea is exhausting and painful with abdominal cramping, and these children look quite sick and lethargic.

Herbs

Echinacea: Non-alcoholic, glycerin preparations of the herb echinacea are prepared specifically for children. Some of them also contain vitamin C. Mix the echinacea with juice or water. Most health food stores stock echinacea preparations. Avoid products that contain other herbs or fillers. Echinacea stimulates the body to produce more white blood cells that fight invasion by viruses or bacteria. Echinacea is not appropriate for allergic symptoms, and should not be used over an extended period of time. Stop when the flu symptoms improve, or after five days.

Directions: Mix with juice or give it straight.

Dosage: Babies under one year: 10 drops three times per day
Children over one year: 20 drops three times per day

Windbreaker (Chinese Modular Solutions): This is a Chinese herbal formula designed for children and available only through health care practitioners. Yin chiao junior (Health Concerns) is a comparable formula. It stimulates a healing reaction in the body, dispels invasion of cold, and relieves mucus production and congestion. Use it at the onset of flu symptoms and continue as long as congestion persists. Shake the bottle before each use. This formula contains alcohol.

Directions: Mix the drops in a small amount of steaming hot water to evaporate the alcohol, then mix this solution with juice.

Dosage: Babies under one year: 10 drops three times per day
Children over one year: 20 drops three times per day

Vitamin C

Give babies 500 mg vitamin C in powder form, children one to three years old 1,000 mg in powder or chewable tablets, and children older than three years 2,000 mg per day in divided doses.

References:

Izurieta HS, et al. Influenza and the rates of hospitalization for respiratory disease among infants and young children. New England Journal of Medicine 2000 Jan 27; 342(4):232-9.

Neuzil KM, et al. The effect of influenza on hospitalizations, outpatient visits, and courses of antibiotics in children. New England Journal of Medicine 2000 Jan 27; 342(4):225-31.
post #3 of 7
I don't have any advice re: remedies, but did want to ask how the diagnosis was made. Did they actually do blood tests, or just check your symptoms? There's a lot of flu circulating that isn't H1N1, and is still being diagnosed that way, according to diagnostic criteria. Your baby may not even have H1N1, if blood tests weren't done.

I also want to give you at least some reassurance. DD2 is 4.5 months old. We're pretty sure we had H1N1 (no blood work, but the symptoms matched, and one of ds1's closest friends, who is around us a lot, was diagnosed - with blood work - just before we all got sick). DD2 hit an armpit temperature of over 101. She was miserable. And, she's absolutely 100% fine now. She had no secondary problems or complications at all. I know it's so scary having a sick baby, but most people, even really little babies, are going to be fine. Try not to worry too much (I wouldn't even dream of telling you not to worry at all!).


I hope your baby is feeling better really soon...the rest of you, too...but I do know how much more worrying it is with a baby...
post #4 of 7
My three month old was hospitalized with it two weeks ago... he came through it no problem. When he was too weak to nurse I pumped and syringe fed him. He couldn't tolerate tamiflu... puked it up every time.

Anyways, my guy came through just fine and so will yours. Take care and get medical help if you need it.
post #5 of 7
My ds just had H1N1 (for sure) when he was 2.5 months old. Our pediatrician recommended a homeopathic nasal spray called Sinusin. It was such a life saver! Ds would just get so blocked up! He would have a hard time breathing well enough to latch well, got tired of working so hard to nurse so didn't get as much breast milk as he could've, and saline/suctioning made him cry and was general unpleasant for all of us. I would give him a spray of Sinusin in each nostril 3 times a day and try to time the doses right before a nursing session.

All the issues with being congested basically just used up energy he needed to fight off the flu and lowered the amount of breast milk he was getting. The Sinusin REALLY helped with the congestion and his little sneezes would be very productive. So then he nursed better and had more energy to use against the flu.

My ped also recommended going back to some of the things we did when he was a newborn like charting. We wrote down how often and how long he nursed, when he peed and pooped, and kept track of symptoms. This way we could catch things like dehydration or a secondary infection ASAP. It really helped me (anxiety Queen) relax a bit. I had guidelines from my ped about when to call like "If his temp goes above 100.5" "If he isn't wetting 3 times a day" "If he goes for more than 5 hours without nursing" "If the sound of his cough changes" etc.

Hope you can update us soon with good news!
post #6 of 7
Thread Starter 
thanks everyone, for the remedies, and for sharing your stories. it is helpful to hear about other teenies getting this, and being ok.

we all are feeling poorly still, but not terribly so, and none showing signs of trouble.

~peace.

ps: it's the swine flu - i was tested. they didn't feel the boys needed testing as they're with me all the time (homeschool).
post #7 of 7
Lots of vitamin D for you is all I have to say -- have your levels checked and make sure they use the right lab for it, then supplement to raise it quickly. http://www.westonaprice.org/basicnut...l#updatefall02
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