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I'm starting to read The Chronicles of Narnia to my 5.5 yo. So far, we're just on Prince Caspian.

Anyway, I have read the books a couple times and was thinking about The Last Battle the other day and how Susan doesn't get back in to Narnia. And for some reason, it hit me for the first time that her ENTIRE family is killed in a train wreck in the last book aren't they?? Were her parents dead before?

I don't know why, but realizing this just hit me really hard!
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Wikipedia says she was not on the train or at the station, so she was not sent on to Narnia like the rest of her family.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_Pevensie

Lewis stated elsewhere that "the books don't tell us what happened to Susan. She is left alive in this world at the end, having by then turned into a rather silly, conceited young woman. But there's plenty of time for her to mend and perhaps she will get to Aslan's country in the end... in her own way."

The Wikipedia entry also points out that the movies are already treating her differently from the books. So I wonder how her part will play out in the movies...

I recommend the Wiki entry, it's got interesting information about her. I was shocked and saddened that Lewis didn't let Susan go on with the rest of the family. His estimation of her was shallow and he treated her unfairly. Glad to hear he thinks real life women like Susan might not go to hell for being interested in lipstick and parties.
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I recommend the Wiki entry, it's got interesting information about her. I was shocked and saddened that Lewis didn't let Susan go on with the rest of the family. His estimation of her was shallow and he treated her unfairly. Glad to hear he thinks real life women like Susan might not go to hell for being interested in lipstick and parties.
Sigh. His "estimation of her was shallow"? He wrote her! Surely you don't think you have greater insight into the mind of a character than, I dunno, her creator? And no, he didn't send Susan to hell - he left her on earth - where she was probably happier, by the sounds of things. And it wasn't for liking lipstick and parties per se, but for thinking Narnia was silly - to use the obvious Christian analogy, she thought of nothing but materialistic pleasures and was semi-agnostic towards God. Lewis wrote positively about women/girls who were into girly things in The Horse and His Boy: he clearly didn't think Lucy was damned to hell for getting excited over Aravis' new clothes and boudoir. But it's not that reactionary to think a girl who thinks of nothing but lipstick and boys is shallow. I'd be disappointed if my daughter ended up like that; wouldn't you?

I don't agree with every position Lewis took, theologically or politically, but this kind of jejune analysis really annoys me. I've seen it argued before and it just doesn't properly interact with the books.

ETA: Huh. Apparently I got way overinvested in that comment. "Jejune"? Huh.
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That wiki article was interesting. It's funny how much more I'm getting out of these books now that I'm reading them aloud to DS.

I don't know, I just felt awful to think of Susan having her whole family killed in an accident. For some reason, I had never thought of it that way. I knew she didn't get into Narnia but thinking of her being the only one left alive in her family really got to me!
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ETA: Huh. Apparently I got way overinvested in that comment. "Jejune"? Huh.


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That wiki article was interesting. It's funny how much more I'm getting out of these books now that I'm reading them aloud to DS.

I don't know, I just felt awful to think of Susan having her whole family killed in an accident. For some reason, I had never thought of it that way. I knew she didn't get into Narnia but thinking of her being the only one left alive in her family really got to me!
Yeah, it always broke my heart about Susan. But the big point, in line with Lewis's theology, is that she didn't get to Narnia because she stopped believing in magic and mystery, NOT because she didn't follow the "rules" of proper behavior. Having grown up in a very legalistic religious tradition, Susan's story is important to me!
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Sigh. His "estimation of her was shallow"? He wrote her! Surely you don't think you have greater insight into the mind of a character than, I dunno, her creator? And no, he didn't send Susan to hell - he left her on earth - where she was probably happier, by the sounds of things. And it wasn't for liking lipstick and parties per se, but for thinking Narnia was silly - to use the obvious Christian analogy, she thought of nothing but materialistic pleasures and was semi-agnostic towards God. Lewis wrote positively about women/girls who were into girly things in The Horse and His Boy: he clearly didn't think Lucy was damned to hell for getting excited over Aravis' new clothes and boudoir. But it's not that reactionary to think a girl who thinks of nothing but lipstick and boys is shallow. I'd be disappointed if my daughter ended up like that; wouldn't you?

I don't agree with every position Lewis took, theologically or politically, but this kind of jejune analysis really annoys me. I've seen it argued before and it just doesn't properly interact with the books.

ETA: Huh. Apparently I got way overinvested in that comment. "Jejune"? Huh.
Not jejune, but hurried and flippant. I knew that last line was a little off when I posted it, so I apologize.

But I will defend myself by saying that his message about faith being more important than acts was lost on 10 y.o. me when I first read it. All I absorbed was that Aslan wasn't letting Susan, whom I loved, go on with the rest of the family to the new Narnia. Yes, he did allow for Lucy to be girly. Again, though, that distinction between Lucy's faith and Susan's lack of faith was lost on me.

I'm very aware that Lewis created Susan. Like every great, well-written fantasy, though, I claimed Narnia and its people as my own. Peter, Susan, Edmund and Lucy were in my head (and I know you understand that).

That's why it disappointed, it hurt so much that Lewis made Susan reject Narnia so illogically. Eustace Scrubb reports that she says, "What wonderful memories you have! Fancy you still thinking about all those funny games we used to play when we were children." That's not even rational! Did she have amnesia? Is she lying outright? Why did he do that to Susan?

And, as I said, I read only yesterday that comment Lewis stated elsewhere that "There's plenty of time for her to mend and perhaps she will get to Aslan's country in the end... in her own way." He did not demonstrate that in his original chronicles of Narnia.
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I guess I always thought of Susan as not being "finished.". That she would grow older and then the magic of Narnia would come back to her as she told her children stories to help them sleep.

I always imagined that she would reach Narnia eventually, she just wasn't done on Earth.

Not everyone follows the same path and Susan has to find her own way.
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I guess I always thought of Susan as not being "finished.". That she would grow older and then the magic of Narnia would come back to her as she told her children stories to help them sleep.

I always imagined that she would reach Narnia eventually, she just wasn't done on Earth.

Not everyone follows the same path and Susan has to find her own way.
I always thought this way too. Especially since in the first book Lewis dedicates it to his goddaughter Lucy. He say something about when she is old enough to believe in fairy tales again that she can dust off the books he wrote for her and read it to him. It made me feel that there is hope for Susan to get into Narnia again.
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