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post #21 of 260
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Originally Posted by Mama~Love View Post
Maybe I read the post wrong...?



Why would I care what the misconceptions are, if I'd never EC anyway??
well, because perhaps if you were informed of the *reality* of EC rather than all the misconceptions, you might change your mind.

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Originally Posted by Sheryl1678 View Post
My personal theory (and that is all it is) is that EC is a lot like breastfeeding. With accurate information and adequate support, many more parents would do it.
this is it exactly. how many times have you heard these same exact comments about BF'ing? too hard, too time consuming, can never leave the baby with someone else, it's just not for me, doesn't fit in with my lifestyle, what would i do when i'm out of the house, i have other kids to worry about and don't have time... as Sheryl so eloquently put it, with the right information and support, lots more people would do it.
post #22 of 260
I read a ton about it before DD was born but didn't do it because I knew nothing about babies, had never been around children, and figured I'd be totally overwhelmed & didn't want to add to the stress. So, EC got tossed. She did, however, get a lot of free bum time when she was tiny, and still does. The more I think about it though, the more I don't like the idea of training someone to do something one way (use your diaper) and then changing on them a couple of years later. I'm gonna try a little more EC with DD2, hoping DD1 will get into helping & using the potty more. But I'm not gonna stress if we end up diapering more in the end.
post #23 of 260
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Originally Posted by pixiepunk View Post
well, because perhaps if you were informed of the *reality* of EC rather than all the misconceptions, you might change your mind.



this is it exactly. how many times have you heard these same exact comments about BF'ing? too hard, too time consuming, can never leave the baby with someone else, it's just not for me, doesn't fit in with my lifestyle, what would i do when i'm out of the house, i have other kids to worry about and don't have time... as Sheryl so eloquently put it, with the right information and support, lots more people would do it.
I don't think I would. I have the diaper free baby book, and have read it, but I still don't see how it's not messy & time consuming. It's not for everybody, and it doesn't make anyone a better mother for doing it.
post #24 of 260
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Originally Posted by pixiepunk View Post
well, because perhaps if you were informed of the *reality* of EC rather than all the misconceptions, you might change your mind.

this is it exactly. how many times have you heard these same exact comments about BF'ing? too hard, too time consuming, can never leave the baby with someone else, it's just not for me, doesn't fit in with my lifestyle, what would i do when i'm out of the house, i have other kids to worry about and don't have time... as Sheryl so eloquently put it, with the right information and support, lots more people would do it.
I have read about EC but I don't want to do it. I don't feel that EC has huge benefits, unlike breastfeeding. I think it is analogous to BFing in the sense that if a person does not see the point, no amount of information or support is going to alter their decision. But on a personal level, I totally see the point of BFing and therefore do it, but I don't see so many benefits to EC. This is not to say I have a problem with it, I think it's great if others enjoy it , I just don't have any motivation to do it myself. Nothing to do with perceptions that it could be messy or time consuming, I just don't feel the need or see how it could improve family life. And yes, I've read the books! I guess it just doesn't speak to me.
post #25 of 260
I'm a part-time EC'er. I catch as many pees/poos as I can, and let our cloth dipes catch the rest. When I don't catch, it's usually because I'm in the middle of cooking dinner, my 2 yo needs something, etc. I'm very laid back about it, and that is the only way it works for us. I can tell my little guy even feels sort of happy and proud when he's going in the potty, so it's nice to have that connection. So I do it when I can, and when I can't, it's ok. I also WOH 2 mornings a week, so my kids use sposies for the sitter usually.

It can be challenging to take the time to catch those cues and respond to them when the baby needs it. Because most of us moms are alone in our EC'ing endevours, there are moments when it can just be too much with all of the other things we are balancing.

For families who can do it full time, that's cool. Part-time works for us.
post #26 of 260
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Originally Posted by Patrick's mummy View Post
I have read about EC but I don't want to do it. I don't feel that EC has huge benefits, unlike breastfeeding. I think it is analogous to BFing in the sense that if a person does not see the point, no amount of information or support is going to alter their decision. But on a personal level, I totally see the point of BFing and therefore do it, but I don't see so many benefits to EC. This is not to say I have a problem with it, I think it's great if others enjoy it , I just don't have any motivation to do it myself. Nothing to do with perceptions that it could be messy or time consuming, I just don't feel the need or see how it could improve family life. And yes, I've read the books! I guess it just doesn't speak to me.
post #27 of 260
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Originally Posted by Sheryl1678 View Post
My personal theory (and that is all it is) is that EC is a lot like breastfeeding. With accurate information and adequate support, many more parents would do it.
I don't see how this is a fair comparision. Breastfeeding has innumerable benefits - is there really any long term benefit to ECing? Does it make baby healthier, smarter? Does it provide a connection to mom?

Maybe I am missing something, but I've never really understood the benefits of ECing. Honestly it seems kinda gimmicky to me... along the lines of "teach your baby to read." So that's why I don't do it - my baby will learn to use the potty soon enough, and I don't really want to bother with it.
post #28 of 260
I use the method in Diaper Free Before Three, which suggests starting at around 6 months when the baby is more able to sit up on the potty. I probably have made my own modifications to it, since I read it three babies ago.

The reasons I have been hesitant to start them off as newborns is 1) I am really very tired after giving birth and 2)I do have some very busy days where I just don't have time to watch diligently enough for their cues. I feel like I would frustrate them if I was only able to follow it on some days and not others.

I do however try to give them naked time to allow them to pee without the diaper on because I know from watching all my newborns that they really prefer it that way.

Right now my 11 month old is going potty every morning when she wakes up and about half of those times she has stayed dry overnight. Throughout the day we try to take her to the potty and give her the opportunity to go so that she learns that is the place to do it.
post #29 of 260
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Originally Posted by lizzylou View Post
I don't see how this is a fair comparision. Breastfeeding has innumerable benefits - is there really any long term benefit to ECing? Does it make baby healthier, smarter? Does it provide a connection to mom?

Maybe I am missing something, but I've never really understood the benefits of ECing. Honestly it seems kinda gimmicky to me... along the lines of "teach your baby to read." So that's why I don't do it - my baby will learn to use the potty soon enough, and I don't really want to bother with it.
I so completely agree. The idea that people who don't EC are simply uninformed or uneducated is rather arrogant, IMO. The ability to be educated on options and make different choices DOES exist you know

I don't believe that the long term benefits to Mama and Baby from breast feeding are in any way analogous to EC'ing.
post #30 of 260
Even when I had only one child, I was unable to focus on her enough to read her cues.

I'm grossed out by pee/poop going anywhere other than a diaper or the toilet.

Diapers make dressing them easier, especially in cold weather.

I agree with some of the above posters that while EC and breastfeeding both require a good education, and if you lined up a bunch of 18-year-olds you would not be able to tell whether or not they were EC'd or breastfed as babies--but I still think breastfeeding has clear benefits for the baby's health, and I'm not so sure EC does. I do understand, though, that if EC is working really well for you, you want to share the joy with other people--I feel the same way about cloth diapers and everyone thinks I'm nuts, so I sympathize.
post #31 of 260
Wow interesting conversation.
Gee, I guess I see a LOT of breastfeeding analogies (it's a lost art, learn it by seing other do it, benefits of bonding, it is the 'norm' etc,). And I see that the benefits are something that needs to be better articulated. However, I feel like if we say that ec promotes bonding, people just roll their eyes at that... and if we say that it is the biological norm, then people feel like we are judgemental or guilting them to do something that is hard to do when it is no longer the societal norms....

If I grew up with ec'ing around me, I'm pretty sure I wouldn't need to 'think' about it so much- I would just embrace it as normal. And I do think it is the biological norm for babies. They have the abilility and it IS lost if their caretakers do not assist them. That is part of the reason I find it so compelling...

I do think there are benefits of EC'ing. They may be just short-time benefits, which I don't necessarily means that they are not less worthwhile. There are environmental benefits, and convenience (who wouldn't like to not have to clean up poop or to have a child being potty independent early?) There likely are some long term benefits, too. I just don't think we can say we know, I'm not sure there is much research done. I do remember talking to someone who thought it would be interesting to see if ec'ing made a difference-- she worked with a few older children who were autistic and were unable to be potty trained. I think she was working on using sign language for these children and she was thinking that maybe ec'ing using signals (sign language) would help a child like the ones she worked with, if it had been done early on.

I don't really consider EC'ing to be gimicky- although I do think that can be the way the media interprets it... which I don't think is the intention of any of the people that are interested in promoting ec. I know I've seen some reports in the media in the news that have been wonderful and other articles that are not... And most make me feel overwhelmed, because I've always been pretty laid back about ec'ing.

I don't think that ec'ing is right for everyone... but I also don't think it has to be as hard or complicated/intensive as people make it out to be. And I'm probably the least 'intuitive' signal catching person there is. I broke every ec rule there is (not there are really rules) and made up my own, and I survived(-; we even had fun, and hardly ever got peed on in the process.
Ok, I'd probably say more, but have 2 little ones to play with now.
Jessica
post #32 of 260
wow, I don't get the breastfeeding comparason at all!

and I DO know how EC works, and the benefits, etc... (I wrote an article on it a couple years ago, and did a decent amount of research to do so).

I get that it's not as difficult as maybe some people assume it is, or as messy, but really is there honest to goodness a life long impact if you EC from birth to age 2 like there is with breastfeeding?

The bonding, reading your baby's cues, the whole communication aspect of it - yeah, I get that that could benefit both infant and parent for years to come, but I don't see how choosing to use diapers is by any means detrimental - such as formula feeding is.
post #33 of 260
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Originally Posted by Drummer's Wife View Post
The bonding, reading your baby's cues, the whole communication aspect of it - yeah, I get that that could benefit both infant and parent for years to come, but I don't see how choosing to use diapers is by any means detrimental - such as formula feeding is.
I think for me it is about respecting what is natural. Maybe there is no life long benefit, but it can't be pleasant to have to pee and poop on your own body when it goes against your instinct.
I guess I see it similar to ignoring. I wouldn't let my child cio, why would I ignore when they have to go to the bathroom?
My son was a screamer when ever he was wet. I do think I'm more sensitive to this because it really upset him to be wet.

Jessica
post #34 of 260
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Originally Posted by Theoretica View Post
I thought the progression of modern culture was such that we don't NEED to allow infants to poo and pee wherever, until we (or they) get the hang of cues and whatnot. Just because it's DONE in underprivledged areas doesn't mean we need to replicate it.
I don't feel strongly either way about EC, but this is my point of view on a lot of other topics. I used to think that natural was ALWAYS better, and becoming a mother made me do a 180 (okay, a 90 ) degree turn on that perspective.
post #35 of 260
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This is fascinating. I'm seeing a ton of reasons. Some I can understand and some make no sense to me. Some could be corrected by more info, but most are valid and are very personal reasons. That is what I was looking for.

And I will just state one more time for those that missed it, I did not come here to evangelize. I did not come here to convince. I did not mean to insinuate that ECers are better mothers (and I still don't think I did). I came here to see what the opinions of EC are and the reasons are for not doing it, among those who have heard of it and yet don't practice it.

So, continue.
post #36 of 260
Uh yeah, I don't see the breastfeeding comparison to EC either. I think it's great that some people do it, I'm glad it works for them. But it's just not for everyone.

That said, those who choose not to do it are not ignorant. We are all entitled to our choices and just because we choose one way over the other doesn't mean we're ignorant or uninformed.
post #37 of 260
To be perfectly honest, the whole concept seems ridiculous to me. And it squicks me out a little bit.

Also, on a practical level, as others have mentioned, I really don't have the time. I mean, this baby pees every 10 minutes! We go through about 24+ cloth diapers PER DAY. I can't even imagine how much time I'd have to spend holding her over a potty seat to catch all her pees!

And the comparison to breastfeeding I find completely offensive.
post #38 of 260
I don't for lots of reasons. The biggest one is that I think it's gross. I have a friend who did it and her baby peed everywhere. I remember being at a cafe and her crawler was just peeing. She was super cavalier about it and it was a major turn off to EC. Even if your "catch" rate is 90%, you're still having to clean up 10% of messes.

Another friend who ECed was like way over obsessed with her kids' potty time and bragged about EC and early potty learning and it was also a turnoff. She carried a potty around with her everywhere and childless me at the time me thought it was really gross.

I didn't want to deal with messes, didn't want that kind of pressure, and I also think cloth diapers are adorable.
post #39 of 260
No time, no interest here.
post #40 of 260
Both my babies were not babies by the time I heard about EC. But if I had another baby, I feel no desire to even attempt EC.

There's a huge difference between EC and BF. We are mammals. All mammals feed their babies milk from mother's bodies. Our breasts evolved for that purpose, and without it, in a "natural" state, our babies would die.

On the other hand, as any reader of "Everyone Poops" will know, mammals have widely varying methods of dealing with feces. Some of them do it in special places and bury it. Some of them do it wherever, whenever.

Among human cultures, EC may be widespread but it is not the only way to deal with the issue in the same way that BF is the ONLY way to feed an infant. Some cultures swaddled their infants and changed out the moss stuffed between their legs once a day. Some cultures "clicker trained" their tiny babies to pee and poop on command. Most do something somewhere in between.

But humans have been wearing clothes for tens of thousands of years (go look for the data on the evolution of body lice and their divergence from headlice for some fascinating theories on that). We've been living in places too cold for babies to go naked for longer than that. I firmly believe that some form of diapering is just as "natural" as EC is.

EC is a current "This is the MOST natural" fad, the way paleo eating or traditional foods is the current "Right way to do NATURAL" in the diet arena. IT doesn't mean it is the only natural, or even the truly most natural way to deal with the issue of teaching a baby human being how the other human beings in the tribe practice the elimination of bodily wastes.

The modern world in which most of us are living puts additional barriers in the way of practicing EC. IT's why diapering becomes more common as people move into a more modern urbanized lifestyle. Since a large percentage of child abuse cases have pottying or wetting/soiling accidents as their triggers, the LAST thing that a stressed out new parent needs is yet another feces-related thing they HAVE TO GET EXACTLY RIGHT to prove their parenting worth.

SO if you want to try it and it works for you, that's great! Have fun! Just don't come at me trying to prove (as some have) that diapers are abusive, that diapering parents are ignoring their childs basic human needs, or that EC parents are somehow tighter bonded to their children than diapering parents.

As someone with an infant who did not signal (and his sitter, who came from an EC culture, agreed he did not signal) and pooped once a week from the time he was 4 months old until after he was one, I believe EC would have been frustrating and confusing to us both. It is not a cure-all, not every child responds to it in the same way, and it isn't a magic answer to the question of "how long will I have to be cleaning baby poop up? Either way, you're going to be wiping butts and cleaning up poop -- either from your sink, or from the floor, or from a diaper.
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