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post #1 of 29
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I'm looking for words of wisdom, advice or just gut reactions...

I intended to have a UC.
I nearly had this.

I labored for 17 hours and reached 9cm on my own.
At this point I began to feel different than I had with my previous two labors, an different than I did earlier in this labor.
The contractions, though not stronger, were more painful. I was having a harder time with them because of their sharpness. Mostly though I was noticing that as the contraction would end and I would normally have been feeling high coming through it I was feeling momentarily like I was going to faint.

I had the distinct feeling that something was not right.
I had DH call the local midwives and request that they come and assess.

I also had the feeling that I could deliver this baby before they arrived if only I could find the energy to get out of the pool and squat and walk a little. I just couldn't find the energy though.

MW arrived about 30 minutes later. To my dismay, there were four of them. Too many people
They checked me out, checked heart tones, found everything to be good, but suspected clinical exhaustion/severe dehydration. Urinalysis confirmed extremely low keytones and dehydration. yeah, I blew that one.

They wanted to start an IV, I wanted to try to eat/drink. They gave me the space to do this, but I was so tired I couldn't seem to get enough down and finally consented to the IV after about an hour of not being able to replenish energy and worrying that I wouldn't have the energy to push.

About 5 minutes after the IV was in I returned to the tub. Before I could get all the way down onto my knees my water broke with a huge pushing contraction. She was born into my hands 3 pushes, and about 5 minutes, later. The IV came out when I changed positions to catch her.

We nursed in the pool and the MW began to want the placenta to deliver, but I wasn't really getting any contractions that I felt like I could push with.
After a while they asked me to get out of the pool to try to squat and push it out. Same problem... no pushing contractions. After awhile the told me that we had passed their 1 hour time limit for placenta delivery and wanted to do an internal exam to see where it was.
MW said something about it being "right there" and "mushroomed" and I was instructed to push as she manually removed the placenta. It was hard and unpleasant and there was more blood than I recalled having with previous birth. They had to change out chux pads more than once.

I moved to bed to nurse and rest with my new baby girl. They came in to do a NB exam and check my uterus and bleeding level. At this point they found my uterus to be "boggy" and not contracting. They asked if I could stand up to pee in a bucket and see if perhaps my full bladder was causing the trouble. I stood up and passed about 1000ml blood into the bucket instead. This made abou 1200ml blood with what came after the placenta.

At this point everything seemed to go crazy. I received a shot of Pitocin... no result. Two shots of "meth?". Still bleeding and not contracting.
911 was called at this point as they tried to start another IV and massaged my uterus.
Bleeding slowed but continued and my uterus still would not stay firm on it's own.

EMS arrived, established an IV and began transfer to the ER.
In the truck my BP and pulse remained good, Pitocin was added to my IV and bleeding stopped and my uterus remained firm.
At the hospital I bypassed the ER and was admitted to L & D with my babe and DH for sleep and observation.
Blood panel was good and the doctor told me I could go home when I finished the IV bag. Dehydration was the determined cause of hemorrhage.

So here's what I get:
I got my uninterrupted labor, mostly.
I got to catch her myself, while trying to ignore their instructions on when to push, etc.
Didn't get to check for the cord on her neck myself.
Got time with my babe before we were separated for about an hour during the ordeal.
Got her back within an hour, we were home within a few hours, and everything seems great.

I'm processing it well, I think. I'm deeply disappointed about not UCing.
I'm upset that I failed to stay even acceptably hydrated. There were too many factors: new to extremely high elevation, two fireplaces going as our heat source, and a first time with waterbirth.

I'm working through how I might have manifested this and why. I'm also working through some questions about what happened. I'm so grateful for the MW showing up when I called them despite my dissing their protocol when we met at the beginning of pregnancy. I'm grateful for them doing what they believed was best and really trying to still give me what I had wanted. My questions are this:

In the UC community it isn't uncommon for the placenta to take several hours to deliver. My question is whether I would have hemorrhaged if I had simply left the placenta in place, gotten some sleep, food and water and delivered it when it came on it's own. I am ignorant on this topic other than a deep faith in the natural order of things and my own wonder about why my placenta would have stayed in... I don't believe my body is broken and I don't understand the 1hr delivery protocol. I don't blame the MW, but I am blaming myself a little.

I question whether calling the MW was a lifesaving decision or something that could have been safely avoided.
I guess I will never know, but this is what I am working through.
I'm grateful for having labored to 9cm alone and for being able to catch her myself. I am mourning the birth-high that was pushed out by the placenta removal and the hospital transfer.

Advice? Words of wisdom? Gut feelings?

xo

Thanks for reading.
post #2 of 29
edited for: don't know enough to comment intelligently
post #3 of 29
I'm so sorry for the loss of your dream UC birth. I wanted a UC with my first and lost it for lesser complications than yours, mostly lack of assurance, I didn't even need any actual intervention. I feel you did the right thing calling in help and getting that IV and help with the PPH. It's very hard to stay hydrated enough during labor sometimes, and that can get away from you without you even noticing. Somebody has to hand me drinks constantly when I labor if I'm to keep my fluids up. About your third stage, if your MW was right in what she saw the placenta was already detached when she pulled it, and either you were too exhausted to push it out or you would just have taken another few minutes to feel quite ready to expel it. If it was detached anyway it makes little difference physiologically AFAIK.
post #4 of 29
If you want honesty, and I'm assuming you do because I would: it sounds like you were "right there" and lost it (faith, control whatever). I think if you hadn't called them you probably would've delivered sooner and with no trouble. I also think your placenta could've just stayed until it was ready. In my UC I kept mine in until 10 hours after the birth and retained some membranes for a full 24hours.
I've seen lots of UC transfers like this, most of them seem to be lack of support. Can't say what it was in your case but there is NO REASON to believe that you can not have a perfect UC like you want. It does sound like the midwives interfered too much and were a source of trouble for you. I'm sorry that you didn't get the birth you wanted but YOU CAUGHT YOUR BABY!! I know what that feels like, mama and no transfer can take that from you Every birth is a learning experience and I don't think you failed in any way, it happened the way that it needed to for some (as of yet) unknown reason. You are right, you aren't broken you just freaked out a little. There was a point in my UC that if my husband would have started to agree with me that I couldn't do it I would've lost it too. I'm sorry this is rambly but I'm trying for total honesty here.
Congratulations on the baby girl!
post #5 of 29
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Originally Posted by CageFreeFamily View Post
Mostly though I was noticing that as the contraction would end and I would normally have been feeling high coming through it I was feeling momentarily like I was going to faint.

I had the distinct feeling that something was not right.

I am mourning the birth-high that was pushed out by the placenta removal and the hospital transfer.
I snipped down your story for you...I want you to read the bolded.

You had already lost your birth high because you realized something wasn't right. You were dehydrated and you needed help. There is nothing wrong with that.

You got help, and you still got some elements of your birth that were really important, like delivering into your own arms and, most importantly, a live baby when it was all done.

What if you hadn't called them? You stated you tried to eat and drink and could not do it, so you got the IV. On your own, you might not have been able to recognize that you were dehydrated and the outcome could have been tragic.

Isn't UC all about listening to your body? You listened, and you heard your body's cry for help. You gave it the help it needed. You got your baby here safely.

And that is what matters. That's ALL that matters.
post #6 of 29
Personally, I think this manifesting stuff is not at all true. Some things just are. Some things just happen. We do not create everything that happens to us, and I think believing that we do is a recipe for guilt where there shouldn't be any. It causes people unnecessary pain.

You did the right thing. You trusted your body and got help when you knew you needed it. There is nothing wrong with that. In fact, it's a GOOD thing.
post #7 of 29
If your placenta was "right there," then it sounds like it had already detached, but your uterus wasn't contracting to shut down the bleeding the results from detachment. Just because they pulled it out doesn't mean they peeled it off the inside of your uterus....

It really sounds like you did have a sense that something about this birth was different, and not in a good way, and not in "just another variation of normal" way. It is dangerous to dismiss all these feelings as representing a loss of trust in your body or trust in birth -- when you commit to UC, isn't part of that a commitment to listening to your body? You did exactly that.
post #8 of 29
it sounds liek you listended to your body and got you and your baby what you needed. I also think that you could still have a UC some day. Hugs momma as you work through this. Enjoy that baby, and know that you trusted yourself
post #9 of 29
Oh honey. I remember how horrible it is revisiting a birth in your mind over and over again and just wondering what happened. Two of mine led me to do that, and it was really difficult.

Sometimes there isn't a birth high. I've only had it once, with my firstborn, when I felt I could take over the world. With my second son, I lost more blood than was safe for me and felt too ill to feel high. With DD, labour was shockingly fast, and with my UC baby, it just plain hurt. I'm proud of what I did, of the way I grew them and brought them into the world, but the hormonal dump didn't happen. Sometimes it doesn't, and that's fine too.

For whatever reason, your body didn't handle this labour well. It could be the environmental conditions- the temperature, the water, lack of food- I've read similar stories with a medical reason like an infection. I can see one big chance for things to have gone differently: if you'd got out of the water and been able to rest when your contractions started changing, to let your labour slow right down and replenish your resources. That might have worked- or it might not. You're never going to know, and the eternal "what if?" is something you're just going to have to make your peace with. Yeah, it could be that if you hadn't called the midwife, you wouldn't have got stressed- but equally, if you'd called the midwife earlier, she'd have spotted the dehydration and looked after you. It goes both ways, y'know?


FWIW, I think your midwives handled things very well. The vast, vast majority of placentas deliver within an hour and you weren't responding well to the IM pitocin and methergine. At that point, there was a limit to what they could do for you, particularly if you started bleeding more freely. I don't think failure to wait was an issue at all on their part.

I know it's tough, but really. Grieve the loss of the dream, but rejoice in what you have. Sometimes, it's the only way.
post #10 of 29
I am a firm believer in listening to your body.

You could have run into serious trouble but instead you got the help you needed.

I wouldn't want anyone to hesitate in calling for help if they feel they might need it or that something is going wrong.


I don't believe people manifest bad things, I believe life happens.
post #11 of 29
You had a long, difficult labor and you felt you needed help. You trusted your intuition and called for assistance. Good job! Don't second guess yourself now. Hind sight isn't always 20-20.

I think you made the right choice, but I understand your feelings of loss. I know what it's like to feel robbed of the birth experience you wished to have.
Hope you can work through it soon and find peace. Be gentle with yourself.
post #12 of 29
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Originally Posted by Serenyd View Post
You had a long, difficult labor and you felt you needed help. You trusted your intuition and called for assistance. Good job! Don't second guess yourself now. Hind sight isn't always 20-20.
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Originally Posted by Talula Fairie View Post
Personally, I think this manifesting stuff is not at all true. Some things just are. Some things just happen. We do not create everything that happens to us, and I think believing that we do is a recipe for guilt where there shouldn't be any. It causes people unnecessary pain.

You did the right thing. You trusted your body and got help when you knew you needed it. There is nothing wrong with that. In fact, it's a GOOD thing.


nak: My UC wasn't at all what I had pictured. The only regret I have is that I had such a 'perfect' vision of what my birth would be that there is NO way my real life birth could have hit that mark. Make sense?

I personally think you did great. I called a friend of mine who is a midwife at the end for advice, and I was on the verge of transferring. So I completely understand some of how you feel at the loss of your perfect vision of birth.
post #13 of 29
You did the right thing. You did the right thing. You did the right thing.

Labour and delivery is *hard*. Really hard. There is no shame whatsoever in asking for help.
post #14 of 29
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Originally Posted by Talula Fairie View Post
Personally, I think this manifesting stuff is not at all true. Some things just are. Some things just happen. We do not create everything that happens to us, and I think believing that we do is a recipe for guilt where there shouldn't be any. It causes people unnecessary pain.

You did the right thing. You trusted your body and got help when you knew you needed it. There is nothing wrong with that. In fact, it's a GOOD thing.


I completely agree. Birth can be wonderful, beautiful, empowering, but it is also unpredictable. It is a force of nature. You listened to your body and got assistance when you needed it. I am sorry that it didn't go the way you had planned, though
post #15 of 29
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Originally Posted by Talula Fairie View Post
Personally, I think this manifesting stuff is not at all true. Some things just are. Some things just happen. We do not create everything that happens to us, and I think believing that we do is a recipe for guilt where there shouldn't be any. It causes people unnecessary pain.

You did the right thing. You trusted your body and got help when you knew you needed it. There is nothing wrong with that. In fact, it's a GOOD thing.
I completely agree!
And I also didn't deliver my placenta with my last birth for many hours but I didn't have the excess bleeding or a boggy uterus. It does sound like you needed a little help and you did the right thing by getting it.
But it is okay to feel upset that things didn't go as planned, really it is and don't let anyone tell you different.
post #16 of 29
It sounds like you did the right thing.

Sorry it didn't go the way you had planned.

HUGS
post #17 of 29
I don't post here much these days, but I did have a planned uc two years ago. I went into uc with a history of hemorrhage (my 2nd, a midwife managed homebirth,) so I learned a lot about it in preparation for my uc.

To me, the safest, most responsible way to uc is to go into it with an attitude of awareness, and an acknowledgment that sometimes we need help.

It sounds like you read your body's signals perfectly, and did what you needed to do to stay safe.

I agree with the poster who pointed out that you tried to hydrate yourself and couldn't. It sounds like you truly needed help.

If the midwife had done a full manual extraction--peeled your placenta from your uterus--it would have hurt like...I'm drawing a blank on a non-expletive simile. You would have mentioned the unholy pain. Since that's not what you described, leaving the detached placenta there where it was preventing your uterus from clamping down to stem the hemorrhage could have been disastrous, if not catastrophic. Not to be overly dramatic or anything, but the real danger in hemorrhage is that it's so dang comfortable. You feel warm and sleepy and you don't want to do anything about it. Thank goodness the midwife was there to assess the situation and step in.

You listed your contributing factors--a recent move to high elevation is a huge factor in hemorrhage.

I'm sorry that you didn't have the birth you had envisioned, I truly am. If it's any solace, it sounds like you made an excellent judgment call.

Sometimes taking responsibility for ourselves (and our births, and our babies,) means making decisions we don't like.

edited to add: Maybe you can schedule a regular 6wk (or whatever) postpartum visit with the midwife. As a uc'ing mama, I know that's probably not what you had envisioned, but in planned attended births, a big function of that visit is for the midwife to answer questions and aid in closure (or at least some resolution.)

Congratulations on that sweet little baby!
post #18 of 29
My immediate thought is that if you hadn't called help and your placenta had detached but not emerged, it is possible that you could have waited while the blood was trapped behind it. This could have been very serious mama. You listened to your body and did the right thing - no question IMO.
post #19 of 29
ITA with the pps about you listened to your body, got help when you needed it, and it was there. PPH isn't fun, and it can kill you quickly. Sounds like the mws did a good job, and transferred as necessary.. Birth can be unpredictable, so you sometimes just have to roll with what's going on at the time. That is also one of the drawbacks of UC(having had one 20 years ago) that there is no one there to notice the small things(like dehydration) that could make a difference. I am glad you had a midwife to call... Enjoy your babymoon, and hope you have your complete UC someday if you like...
post #20 of 29
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Originally Posted by LadyAnne View Post
I snipped down your story for you...I want you to read the bolded.

You had already lost your birth high because you realized something wasn't right. You were dehydrated and you needed help. There is nothing wrong with that.

You got help, and you still got some elements of your birth that were really important, like delivering into your own arms and, most importantly, a live baby when it was all done.

What if you hadn't called them? You stated you tried to eat and drink and could not do it, so you got the IV. On your own, you might not have been able to recognize that you were dehydrated and the outcome could have been tragic.

Isn't UC all about listening to your body? You listened, and you heard your body's cry for help. You gave it the help it needed. You got your baby here safely.

And that is what matters. That's ALL that matters.
That sounds good to me. When you are dehydrated, you cannot function properly and your muscles, i.e. the uterus, can not perform like it needs to and will start to shut down. Since you were so dehydrated and couldn't improve the situation with your own nourishment, it's likely you really did NEED that IV. I don't know so much about the 1 hour placenta delivery window, but it sounds like a pp was right on the money that it was already detached and you didn't have the strength to push it out due to dehydration.

It is very hard to stay hydrated on your own, in the past that has been my dh's only job, to keep the drinks coming! I say, you live, you learn. Don't beat yourself up over not getting exactly what you planned, because hardly anybody does...nature just doesn't work that way. In the end, you got mostly what you wanted, much more than most get, and a beautiful new baby!
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