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post #21 of 29
I was thinking about your question, "how I might have manifested this, and why?"

I'm not so big on us manifesting tragedy (or even misfortune)...and I say this from a position of one who has done the time thinking through it, from the pov of a mother who has miscarried late, and from the pov of a doula at an unexpected bad outcome.

Sure, sometimes people focus on the negative and it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. I don't deny that.

Other times, random happens, and we have no control over it. I have obsessed over where our control begins and ends. I imagine you will have to do the hard work of obsession for yourself.

I have found that reframing your question to "what can I learn from this?" provides more satisfying food for thought.
post #22 of 29
well, first i'd be really appreciative that the midwives were willing to come in a pinch like that. i don't know what exactly you meant by "manual removal." i don't know any midwives who would attempt to manually peel the placenta off the uterine wall, if that's what you mean. most likely, it had "mushroomed" as in turned inside out, and was sort of plugged up inside the uterus, so she just reached in and pulled it out most likely. maternal exhaustion and dehydration are both causes of hemorrhage, and it sounds like you experience both. you just needed some tlc : ) i'm glad that you got what you needed. don't beat yourself up!
as a side note, i couldn't labor in the tub as it made me feel fainty and light headed due to my low blood pressure.
post #23 of 29
I have to agree, it sounds like you were just so dehydrated that your uterus was having a hard time clamping down on its own.

I had a PPH after my 3rd. The baby had a very VERY short cord and pulled on the placenta on her way out. There was a lot of blood in the water and I was asked to get out so they could assess how much. The blood was just streaming-not a gush, not a drip, just a constant small stream. They gave me pit and something else, we waited about 15 minutes, and then they asked me to push. I tried and didn't do much, but apparently the placenta was hanging there and they helped it drop out basically. Its obvious though that I was already hemorrhaging.

I kept bleeding and bleeding and after 2 hours in the ER I went up to have a D&C, where they pulled out a small chunk of placenta that got torn off as she was born. No one could've stopped that! lol

I see that as being very different from what happened with you, although I will admit I may have been a bit dehydrated as well. I really don't remember how much I drank, but I don't think it was much towards the end.
post #24 of 29
Thread Starter 
Thank you all so much for your advice, words of wisdom and honesty.
This has really helped me work through it.

post #25 of 29
foremost, i commend you for listening to yourself and getting the help that you needed, because at that moment, you did need it. whatever came after as a result of that (that may have been unnecessary such as the placenta questions), are what come with that help that you needed initially.

now, to another point that i think is important about manifesting and so on. my husband and i are exploring the workings of Ho'oponopono. this hawaiian system focuses on *taking responsibility for everything* so it fits in nicely with UC, i think. another aspect of it is that there are many unknowns, and that to an extent we have to "surrender" or "accept" that there are unknowns.

to me, this plays out in your birth story in this way.

in the first part, you said you had this feeling, and you needed help, and you got help. all of that is great, taking responsibility, acting rightly in the moment, etc.

what you didn't know in that moment was that you were dehydrated. had you known this, you might have said "ah, i'm dehydrated, let me try to hydrate first and see what happens." and, you might have tried and failed, and needed help again (the IV), and called for help and gotten it, but you would have had another option based on what you knew.

but you didn't know that at the time. what you knew is that you needed help, and you got that help, and that was the right thing.

now, taking a step further out to the idea of resposibility, even if you didn't know, there is a certain aspect of ho'oponopono that i find difficult, and that's taking responsibility for whate happens, even when you don't know something. ACK! what? seriously, it's hard, right? you have to take responsibility even for what you don't know, because it is what happened, and the only way to move forward is to take responsibility.

so you can take a step back and say, "i am responsible for having become so dehydrated that i needed help." with that, you can have gratitude "i am so thankful that help was available to me. because, that IS something to be grateful for.

now, another aspect of your becoming dehydrated you mention--new altitude, two wood burning stoves (which dry you out like crazy. can i make a recommendation about those? if they have a wide top, you might check out LL Bean's stovetop humidifiers in cast iron. they are pretty and decorative, and you put in however much water (and in my case, tea or herbs cuz i like the smell), and then it helps humidify the roo! the cheap version is to just put a pot of water up there), and then also the water birth and whatever impact that might have had.

so there are unknowns there, things you didn't know or expect, that lead to the dehydration. and maybe there were other things like not knowing or remembering what to drink and when to drink it (eg, roobois chai is a perfect electrolyte balancer and also rehydrating drink without sugar or salt like gatoraide; emergen-C is also a good option, etc).

so you can take responsibility for not knowing those things, and go "ok, that's what lead me to that problem."

this is not about *blame*. this is about processing and explaining and taking responsibility for it.

now, because there were things you didn't know, other things happened. even if you had known about dehydration, something else that you didn't know could have created a curve ball for you.

either way. . .*you succeeded*. you may not have manifested the "perfect UC" but you did manifest a *great* birth and also an *instructional* birth. I don't know what those instructional elements are, but they are there. heck, i did have a perfect UC and there are A LOT o fthings that i'm processing, taking responsibility for, and there were curve balls (well, mostly after) that were surprising and informative.

but using ho'oponopono as well as other LOA information, i'm able to process them, to look at what i didn't know and take responsibility for it and then learn and move forward.

you did great, really, you did everything exactly right.
post #26 of 29
I think it is critically important to pay attention to that "feeling that something is not right." You HAVE to listen to it, even if it turns out in the end that you didn't really need the help you got, etc.

On Nov. 7th I had a second trimester miscarriage unassisted at home. After the baby was born, I started to have many clots--some the size of grapefruits. I started to faint a couple of times, but was able to revive myself--however, I got to a point where I couldn't identify whether the faintness was because I have "issues" with seeing my own blood or whether it was because I was hemorraghing and dying. The third time I almost went under and felt like I was slipping away, I decided I needed to go to the ER--I didn't want to be making a mistake and dismissing approaching death as "just feeling faint, I'll be fine!" Well, I was fine. But, I don't regret the ER trip, because I needed to listen to myself--whether it was fear-based or not, I needed to know that I wasn't stupidly letting myself slip away just because I wanted to do this completely under my own power. I also knew at the time that if I was able to rationally explore the issue in this manner it probably meant I WASN'T on the brink of death, but I felt strongly that I needed to go and so I did it. I don't regret it, even though I have done some what-iffing about it.

As a side note, my placenta did not come out for 6 DAYS following the birth/miscarriage. It was about the size of a large fist. At the ER, they said it had come out--the doctor did a vaginal check and felt something coming through the cervix (really just another big clot, not the placenta).

I was amazing by how casual the ER was about the blood loss. I did not feel like grapefruits and lemons and pancakes were normal, but I've learned from this experience that I can bleed WAY more than I ever thought posible and still be okay. It makes me wonder a lot about the "two cups of blood is a PPH" thing, because each of my grapefruits was about a cup in itself! Gives me new perspective on the blood loss following my previous births (which, put *together*, was nothing like this).
post #27 of 29
I think you completely did the right thing. You had an instinct that something was not right, and you called in your back up.

Having been through a beautiful birth that ended in a retained placenta, a hemorrhage, and a manual extraction I completely understand how you are feeling. That birth is almost like 2 births in a way (or 3, it was a loooong hard labor.)

There was the ordeal of stalled back labor, then things got moving and it was amazing, than I felt "wrong" asked for help. I was feeling the same way you described, just weak and unable to do the things I need/wanted to do to help myself. I hemorrhaged and had a partially retained placenta because I was exhausted. I needed the help. I know I needed the help.

It took many months to process all of it. 6 years later I recognize the ecstasy I felt birthing. I think it would be fair to call it orgasmic. But I also recognize that the hemorrhage and manual removal of my placenta was traumatic and for awhile processing the trauma eclipsed the good stuff. But, the good stuff is what remains as my general impression of the birth. I can recall that high very easily. The trauma is still there, but it's just a small part now.

Give yourself time. Remember that things happen, birth is not something you can control. You did the right thing.
post #28 of 29
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Originally Posted by mollycce View Post
I think it is critically important to pay attention to that "feeling that something is not right." You HAVE to listen to it, even if it turns out in the end that you didn't really need the help you got, etc.

On Nov. 7th I had a second trimester miscarriage unassisted at home. After the baby was born, I started to have many clots--some the size of grapefruits. I started to faint a couple of times, but was able to revive myself--however, I got to a point where I couldn't identify whether the faintness was because I have "issues" with seeing my own blood or whether it was because I was hemorraghing and dying. The third time I almost went under and felt like I was slipping away, I decided I needed to go to the ER--I didn't want to be making a mistake and dismissing approaching death as "just feeling faint, I'll be fine!" Well, I was fine. But, I don't regret the ER trip, because I needed to listen to myself--whether it was fear-based or not, I needed to know that I wasn't stupidly letting myself slip away just because I wanted to do this completely under my own power. I also knew at the time that if I was able to rationally explore the issue in this manner it probably meant I WASN'T on the brink of death, but I felt strongly that I needed to go and so I did it. I don't regret it, even though I have done some what-iffing about it.

As a side note, my placenta did not come out for 6 DAYS following the birth/miscarriage. It was about the size of a large fist. At the ER, they said it had come out--the doctor did a vaginal check and felt something coming through the cervix (really just another big clot, not the placenta).

I was amazing by how casual the ER was about the blood loss. I did not feel like grapefruits and lemons and pancakes were normal, but I've learned from this experience that I can bleed WAY more than I ever thought posible and still be okay. It makes me wonder a lot about the "two cups of blood is a PPH" thing, because each of my grapefruits was about a cup in itself! Gives me new perspective on the blood loss following my previous births (which, put *together*, was nothing like this).
I had a miscarriage that was right at second trimester(14 weeks) and it was just like this-I handled it at home until the blood was unbelievable,and just as you describe-I went to the er and they were casual as well. I was very faint and after hours of the bleeding just not stopping I had to get a d&c after a bad bp plunge and calling a code on me. Not good. Not only had I miscarried, I had some ovarian cysts that just exploded at the same time. I HAD to be seen and dealt with at the hospital and I felt it-that's why I went. I would ahve much rather handled the miscarriage at home like I did two others.
I hate hospitals. I have UC'd before, and I don't do medical hospital stuff, you know? I handle things at home after educating myself. Yet this was a different case, just as the OP is a different case. IT was time to be seen, time to get help. And I went in, cause my gut told me, and I'm glad you listened as well, mama.
post #29 of 29
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Originally Posted by LadyAnne View Post


Isn't UC all about listening to your body? You listened, and you heard your body's cry for help. You gave it the help it needed. You got your baby here safely.
well said.
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