Charting to Avoid, December 2009 - Page 3

[Nazsmum]

I'm just checking in. Still here. Just got me first AF PP. I'm thinking I might do the Couple to Couple home course.

[Eresh]

12 dpo and no in sight. Maybe tomorrow. Last cycle was 11 day LP and before that was 12 or 13 days depending on when I ovulated.


My chart.

[eirual]

So, we broke the 3 day high temps rule for the first time ever and I'm hoping we don't pay the price for it! It's about CD 57 or so (my chart's not right near me) and I could tell when I was O'ing but go figure lost my thermometre the next morning to prove it. The following day I got a high temp, with 2 days of dry-up and we dtd with no back-up method of BC. After about 50 days of being potentially fertile, that was good enough for me! My temps have stayed up so I did for sure O, I just put the cart before the horse on a whim there.

[wholewheatchick]

Originally Posted by MarineWife

WWC ~ That was just something for you to look over. Definitely a good idea to wait for test results, although those aren't always 100% telling, either. Like the website says, there are other things that could explain any problems you may be having so to not jump to diagnosing yourself. You don't have to be overweight or crave carbs to have PCOS. I'm the biggest I've ever been in my entire life right now at 133 lbs and that's because I'm still carrying around extra pregnancy weight. I don't usually lose it all until after 2 years or so PP. My usual weight is 115 or less with low bodyfat. I had to gain weight in order to get pg with ds2 and 3. Maybe you need to quit eating so healthy and being so active and put on some more weight.

ARGH I am so afraid that you are right!!!!! I know that I still have a very skewed view of weight, exercise, and food due to my eating disorder, which I still battle with on a daily basis. I am 5' 6.5" and weigh between 132 and 135, normally, and have maintained that since Feb. Just int he past month I have started really eating dairy and eggs again, and two days I ago I ate meat! I also placed a huge order with a local ranch, because I am determined to only eat "happy meat." I am really hoping that helps things...without having to cut my exercise down.

[MarineWife]

Originally Posted by wholewheatchick

ARGH I am so afraid that you are right!!!!! I know that I still have a very skewed view of weight, exercise, and food due to my eating disorder, which I still battle with on a daily basis. I am 5' 6.5" and weigh between 132 and 135, normally, and have maintained that since Feb. Just int he past month I have started really eating dairy and eggs again, and two days I ago I ate meat! I also placed a huge order with a local ranch, because I am determined to only eat "happy meat." I am really hoping that helps things...without having to cut my exercise down.

That's great that you can get "happy meat". I know there's goat available here and maybe pork but I'm not big on either of those. I do wish I could get some healthy beef without paying a fortune and having to pay shipping on top of that.

I think I've mentioned to you before that excessive exercise (not that that's what you're doing. I don't know.) can be a manifestation of an eating disorder. It's all related. I think I came very close to developing an eating disorder when I was bodybuilding. It's been very hard for me to accept my body as is as being normal after being so muscular and cut even though I've had people look at pics from bodybuilding days and tell me I looked disgusting.

When we were ttc ds2, after a little over 2 years I finally decided I needed to decrease my exercise and put on some fat. Bodyfat % is more important that how much you weigh. I quit going to the gym and lifting weights and did yoga at home instead. I only gained about 5 lbs. but my bodyfat % went from around 12-15% up to about 20-21% (which is the min recommended for ttc) and I did get pg after that. I can't prove it's related but I think it is.

I think it's possible to still have problems related to exercise even if your weight and bodyfat % are good. Exercise causes the body to release all kinds of chemicals, including hormones, that might affect cycles and getting and staying pg. Overtraining can have serious health consequences. I know how hard it is to change the way you exercise. I still can't do anything other than the hard core bodybuilding workout I used to do because I feel like I'm not really doing anything if I try something else.

[eirual]

WWC, have you ever read Jessica Prentice's Full Moon Feast?

It's an awesome read. After 13 yrs of vegetarianism I was begining to feel un-nourished. I set out to read this book hoping it would convince me to eat meat and it did, but on my terms! She faced the challenges of an eating disorder too, and realised that there were better and healthier ways to take control.

Check it out, the first link is to her website and the second to google books so you can actually take a sneak peak. I don't know if the really good stuff is included in the page excerpts they show or not. Nothings as cozy and pleasant to read as real paper that you can thumb through though, so take the electronic version for what it's worth and check our your library for a hard copy. Worth the read if you can find the time.

[turnquia]

Ok lol I think I'm out of the race.

DH decided that waiting 6 months isn't all that important... its just 6 months. So we aren't going to be TTC per say but we won't be avoiding it. He hid my thermometer on me haha.... so I think he's not wanting the pressure of trying or avoiding and we'll go with whatever happens.

[annie2186]

Originally Posted by turnquia

Ok lol I think I'm out of the race.

DH decided that waiting 6 months isn't all that important... its just 6 months. So we aren't going to be TTC per say but we won't be avoiding it. He hid my thermometer on me haha.... so I think he's not wanting the pressure of trying or avoiding and we'll go with whatever happens.

Good Luck!!!

AFM - I got my sixth temp today after losing my thermometor, and I don't think I yet.

So, at CD 56 without I am gearing up toward my longest cycle EVER! (unless it is annovulatory and I just start bleeding in 3 days - lol)
Do any of you other ladies who were/are still nursing PP have these long and confusing cycles? I don't really mind having long cycles if I only had a week or so of EWCF - but this whole 3 weeks of it is NOT OK!

This stuff is soooo different from my normal BIP - which while I always have CM it is very sticky goopy and I don't feel slippery or lubracative while I wipe. This stuff is always slippery/watery and I am not ok with this being my BIP at all.

Anyways, rant over!

[annie2186]

oh yeah, here is my chart;

http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/26af7e

[AnnieA]

Annie2186: Looks like maybe you are gearing up to O in the next day or so. Do you normally have a temp drop before you O?

AFM: I just observed the elusive, highly fertile, EWCF w/spotting. Good grief! I can see how it would be confusing to someone who is not used to observing their fertility signs.

My chart: http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/1f0436

[annie2186]

Originally Posted by AnnieA

Annie2186: Looks like maybe you are gearing up to O in the next day or so. Do you normally have a temp drop before you O?

I'm not sure - this is my first cycle charting temps! On another note, the first half of my chart were temps taken by mouth - once I found my thermometor I decided to start taking temps vaginally since my temps seemed to be all over the place!
I know your not souposed to switch mid-cycle, but I figured since I had lost my therm for a few weeks it was basically starting over anyways!

here is hoping I soon!!!!

[MarineWife]

Originally Posted by annie2186

Do any of you other ladies who were/are still nursing PP have these long and confusing cycles? I don't really mind having long cycles if I only had a week or so of EWCF - but this whole 3 weeks of it is NOT OK!

This stuff is soooo different from my normal BIP - which while I always have CM it is very sticky goopy and I don't feel slippery or lubracative while I wipe. This stuff is always slippery/watery and I am not ok with this being my BIP at all.

Long cycles with lots of longer patches of fertile CF is very typical for breastfeeding cycles. Watery/slippery/EWCF canNOT ever be considered a BIP no matter how long it goes on in retrospect because when you are in the midst of it you never know when you might O.

turnquia ~ Enjoy!

[Eresh]

I eat a moderate amount of meat -- mostly chicken and fish. I've heard there's a farmer's market down the road a ways where you can pick up "happy meat" and I keep intending to go there but it's just one more thing to do and somehow always falls off the bottom of the list. KWIM? I really am not thrilled with either all the antibiotics used in industrial meat farming or the treatment of the animals, so I need to at least inspect this place that's somewhat nearby.

Oh, and it's 13 dpo and no in sight. I have this incredible urge to POAS even though I know the only way I could possibly be pregnant is from an unnoticed condom failure. It could happen!

http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/299dd4

[onetwoten]

Originally Posted by turnquia

Ok lol I think I'm out of the race.

DH decided that waiting 6 months isn't all that important... its just 6 months. So we aren't going to be TTC per say but we won't be avoiding it. He hid my thermometer on me haha.... so I think he's not wanting the pressure of trying or avoiding and we'll go with whatever happens.

Jealous! DH is still a little on the fence. I think he's just afraid to be the one to give the go ahead.

A hopefully simple question for you all-- I'm on about cycle day 5 if I remember correctly, just finishing up AF, and for the past few hours, I'm noticing a weird twingy almost ache-like feeling down below- if I had to guess at a place I would say right near my cervix. Anyone have any idea what it might be? I've had it before, but only maybe once or twice and then it'll go away. It's been like this now off and on for a few hours. It makes me kind of cringe my eyes, but isn't a tylenol type pain. Could it be from cervical changes? I guess mostly I just want to rule out it being some sort of irritation from tampons or the like.

[MarineWife]

Originally Posted by Eresh

Oh, and it's 13 dpo and no in sight. I have this incredible urge to POAS even though I know the only way I could possibly be pregnant is from an unnoticed condom failure. It could happen!

http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/299dd4

Your O looks correct. Your lp of your Sept 10 cycle was 14 days so you're not late yet.

jj ~ I have no idea.

[Eresh]

Originally Posted by MarineWife

Your O looks correct. Your lp of your Sept 10 cycle was 14 days so you're not late yet.

jj ~ I have no idea.

I was mostly kidding about the "It could happen". Mostly I'm just coming to the conclusion that it's not the Mirena messing with my cycles anymore .. it's probably just age and baby has changed things I remember when I used to have copious amounts of EWCF and now it seems I missed it entirely this cycle. And, of course, my luteal phase is not sticking with one constant length.

[MarineWife]

Originally Posted by Eresh

I was mostly kidding about the "It could happen". Mostly I'm just coming to the conclusion that it's not the Mirena messing with my cycles anymore .. it's probably just age and baby has changed things I remember when I used to have copious amounts of EWCF and now it seems I missed it entirely this cycle. And, of course, my luteal phase is not sticking with one constant length.

I know what you mean. It looks like my lp might be changing from 12 to 13 days. That's not a significant change but still weird for me. My CF seems to have gone in the opposite direction. When we were ttc ds2 back in 2002-03 I rarely noticed any ewcf. Now I've gotten 9 days straight of gobs of ewcf the last 2 cycles.

[ShwarmaQueen]

Hi guys! I'm 4 wks PP and am already thinking about what we're going to do to avoid pregnancy. I did NFP before we started TTC DS, so I'm familiar with the method, but since I'm BFing, I'm wondering how that will affect things...I haven't gotten my PPAF yet, so I don't even know what to expect.

Should I wait for PPAF to begin charting? How will BFing affect my temps?

TIA Ladies!!

[wholewheatchick]

JenineJessica: would you like me to add you to the list of active members?

Eiural: Yes, I actually bought the book! It was incredibly amazingly good. I also just finished reading Eat Fat, Lose Fat. I have self-diagnosed myself with a probable Vitamin A and D deficiency, so I'm now taking cod liver oil (thank God the flavored stuff was on sale!)

AFM: I think I may have http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/277407 Obviously, need to see my CF for today, and get some more high temps. But the past few days my CF has been 100% crystal clear, as opposed to yellow, and I seem to remember that change from last time. Though when you got almost two months between ovulating, it's a bit difficult to remember the pattern!

[GriffsKat]

I love FAM! I love that for at least a week or so out of the cycle we can have worry-free sex. I love that.

That being said, did anyone see the latest Private Practice? They had a serious Jewish couple who had 6 children, the parents were exhausted and didn't want to have anymore kids right then and there, but they believe God doesn't want couples to prohibit and abstinence isn't an option. The drs basically told the mother to take 'these pills, which will boost your iron levels, among other things". The mother knew what they were and basically agreed to lie to her husband. At one point in the deliberation about BC they said "I wish there was something we could give her that wasn't hormonal and not considered birth control!" I shouted at the TV "Hello FAM!" They didn't even bring it up, not even the rhythm method.

Does anyone else get 'you are stupid' looks from drs and nurses when you tell them that's what you are using? It's like they expect to see you back soon because of user failure. That irritates me. This stuff works! I wish more of the medical community would see that.